Misbuying Something

iceknave · November 2009

This happened to me earlier today and I was wondering what other people would think about what happened.

I had left my cat shop up while I was eating dinner, selling a number of different items. I came back after dinner and noticed that one of my more expensive items (a weapon, Wind and Clouds for 2 million) had finally managed to sell with a message from an individual to contact him. Finding it a bit odd, I sent him a pm and he said he had bought the item, thinking it was another weapon (Sinister Shooter). He asked that I buy back the weapon for 2 million because he misbought the item. I wasn't too sure what to do and did not respond to his "offer".

What do people think I should have done and has this happened to someone else before? Thanks.

Krisnda - Lost City · November 2009

good thing you didn't. it was his fault for "misbuying" the item that you sold, he should of looked twice before he bought it co in this case, you earned that 2mil b:victory good job ^^

Aadi - Lost City · November 2009

I was so afraid that this was another thread about people scamming. b:chuckle

It all depends on what YOU think. Some people are extraordinarily nice people and would buy it back without thought, but it's understandable if you choose not to because that's not your mistake, that's theirs.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

I was so afraid that this was another thread about people scamming. b:chuckle

It all depends on what YOU think. Some people are extraordinarily nice people and would buy it back without thought, but it's understandable if you choose not to because that's not your mistake, that's theirs.

Well, this forums have a bit of double standards since what you did, if it was about miss buying something, people would be up in arms screaming that it is not the buyers fault, and that the seller is at fault. In this case people are telling you keep the money on that expensive item you sold and that is the buyers fault for not checking.

Personaly, if he had asked nicely, I would had bought it back, even though I think the buyers really need to pay attention to what they buy.

/Radar/ - Lost City · November 2009

personally, i would have bought it back from him/her without a second thought. i would then have to re-sell it, but in my mind, it's the right thing to do

guess it's the little bit of carebear inside me that just won't let go b:cute

Aadi - Lost City · November 2009

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well, this forums have a bit of double standards since what you did, if it was about miss buying something, people would be up in arms screaming that it is not the buyers fault, and that the seller is at fault. In this case people are telling you keep the money on that expensive item you sold and that is the buyers fault for not checking.

Personaly, if he had asked nicely, I would had bought it back, even though I think the buyers really need to pay attention to what they buy.

I think I'm missing the double standard, or I didn't completely understand your first paragraph. When people complain about being scammed people always say "buyer needs to pay more attention", and in this case people are saying the same thing. Where's the double standard?

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

I think I'm missing the double standard, or I didn't completely understand your first paragraph. When people complain about being scammed people always say "buyer needs to pay more attention", and in this case people are saying the same thing. Where's the double standard?

How popular are the people that say the buyer needs to pay attention?

I did not mean to say that you had the double standard, I was just using your quote to bring up the fact that people in the forums usualy say that it is not the buyers fault.

I apologize if it came across as me acusing you personaly of double standards.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear · November 2009

If I were you, I'd get him to pay you back for 2.5m. He screwed up, but 2m's pretty bad.

iceknave · November 2009

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If I were you, I'd get him to pay you back for 2.5m. He screwed up, but 2m's pretty bad.

Umm, I sold the item for 2 million....

He bought it and wanted me to buy it back from him because he didn't intend to buy the item I was selling...

So what you're suggesting is he pay me another 2.5 million for his screwup, giving me a total of 4.5 million for the item?

Wow.... Just .... I don't know what to say...

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear · November 2009

OOPS, I'm a little tired. Meant that you should buy it back for 1.5m b:laugh

Angel__sora - Sanctuary · November 2009

To buy thing items from catshops, you need to drag it down to the bottom, press buy, then accept. So he can't say he bought it accidentally. Then the description and name of the item is viewable while it's in the shop so there's no reason he shouldn't have read it carefully. No, he bought the item fair and square so you should reserve the right to keep the money. If he wants his 2mil back, let HIM sell it in his own catshop.

Saitada - Sanctuary · November 2009

Angel__sora - Sanctuary wrote: »

If he wants his 2mil back, let HIM sell it in his own catshop.

This ^^

The fact is, he made the choice to buy the item. If he couldn't be assed to take the two seconds it takes to make sure the item was in fact what he wanted, that is his loss, and he can suck it up.

~Saitada

Mirabeth - Sanctuary · November 2009

I'm so very wishy washy about this. If it was me and someone had done that, me being the big softy I am, I'd probably give them back their money because I'd feel so excessively horrid if it happened to me. But again, I agree with those who say if you make a mistake like that, it's kind of silly. There are so many precautions along the way when you purchase something from a catshop. All you have to do is hover your mouse over the item and look at the description before purchasing it. And you can't just double-click by accident and buy it. You have to drag it, put it in the buy window. Then click buy. Then confirm. So you can't really make a mistake there either. The only real mistake could be if you just looked at the picture, made a quick glance at the title, and click/drag/purchase. But then it's basically the buyer's carelessness that caused the mistake.

tl;dr - I'd say it's up to your conscience. Do what you feel is right in the situation.

Pegasi - Lost City · November 2009

I have to sympathize with some people who manage to miss buy something.
I get really dyslexic sometimes, I sit there, and I read it, again, and again, and again and then I think I have it all ok, then... figure out I was being **** in that moment and although I triple checked I STILL bought the wrong thingy! Damn, it's horrid sometimes.
Assuming the item was what the shop name says it was, the buyer wasn't asking you to pay more than what the item sold for; eh. I'd have bought it back. Reluctantly, but would have done it.

I just assume people aren't going to be kind about it and try to get rid of it myself without even bothering to ask. Pffft, I just assume they'll call me an idiot and some such other things so... I don't bother. >:

Aadi - Lost City · November 2009

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How popular are the people that say the buyer needs to pay attention?

I did not mean to say that you had the double standard, I was just using your quote to bring up the fact that people in the forums usualy say that it is not the buyers fault.

I apologize if it came across as me acusing you personaly of double standards.

No, I honestly just thought I was missing something. b:chuckle I see what you're saying.

XbladeXBm - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Look at it this way, if you had mispriced the item and sold it for 200k instead of 2mil would you expect the buyer to recognise the mistake and return it in good faith ?

If so then agree we all make mistakes and buy it back .

If not then forget about it and move on

Saitada - Sanctuary · November 2009

XbladeXBm - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Look at it this way, if you had mispriced the item and sold it for 200k instead of 2mil would you expect the buyer to recognise the mistake and return it in good faith ?

If so then agree we all make mistakes and buy it back .

If not then forget about it and move on

I have never made a single mistake in my entire life... multiple mistakes yes, single no! (lol)

~Saitada

Quilue - Sanctuary · November 2009

if hes really an archer he'd use it when he's lvl 69? best 7x grinding weapon in the game...i mean at least he didn't accidentally buy a sword or something.

Vivre - Harshlands · November 2009

XbladeXBm - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Look at it this way, if you had mispriced the item and sold it for 200k instead of 2mil would you expect the buyer to recognise the mistake and return it in good faith ?

If so then agree we all make mistakes and buy it back .

If not then forget about it and move on

^ what this guy said. People have to take responsibility for what they do instead of expect others to fix their mistakes.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · November 2009

I like this thread ^_^

Says a heck of a lot about you as a human being depending on what you'd do here.
On the one hand, the guy made a simple honest mistake and any kind person would pity them and help them. But now on the other, 2 million in coin is involved. You could say "**** it" to your kindness and choose wealth instead. Lets face it, if someone made an honest mistake with no money involved you'd help them, not rub it in their faces and punish them for it.

I honestly have zero respect for you guys who'd keep the money, and I'll be sure to remember all your names for the future.

Quilue - Sanctuary · November 2009

but it's an archer who bought a bloody wind and clouds...i mean if hes into sinister shooters you know he'll want a wind and clouds eventually...

his fault or not, he's still got a wind and clouds in his hands right? he can either sell that, or use it at lvl 69 and sell it afterwards.

Saitada - Sanctuary · November 2009

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like this thread ^_^

Says a heck of a lot about you as a human being depending on what you'd do here.
On the one hand, the guy made a simple honest mistake and any kind person would pity them and help them. But now on the other, 2 million in coin is involved. You could say "**** it" to your kindness and choose wealth instead. Lets face it, if someone made an honest mistake with no money involved you'd help them, not rub it in their faces and punish them for it.

I honestly have zero respect for you guys who'd keep the money, and I'll be sure to remember all your names for the future.

Consequences for being in a hurry and not paying close attention to what your doing. If you bounce a check at your bank, they 'might' waive the fee once. They ain't likely to twice. Life is about facing up to your mistakes, and trying not to make them again.

The guy made a 'mistake' and bought the wrong item. That mistake was 100% preventable if he had bothered to pay closer attention to what he was doing, and realistically the guy isn't out any coin at all, he will just need to sell it himself to get it back if it really isn't what he wanted in the first place.

The thing is DS, they guy makes the 'claim' that he bought the wrong item. Personally I am more inclined to believe he found a cheaper version somewhere and was trying to hoodwink the OP into giving him his money back. I'm not as convinced of 'humanities' goodness as some wish to believe. I'm more inclined to believe the buyer was trying something underhanded.

~Saitada

Tatuaje - Lost City · November 2009

I would not buy it back since it was not a scammed item.

Why should the seller have to take more time out of their gaming possibly to sell the item for a second time. The buyer who messed up can take the time to put up a catshop and sell the item for 2MIL.

Angel__sora - Sanctuary · November 2009

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like this thread ^_^

Says a heck of a lot about you as a human being depending on what you'd do here.
On the one hand, the guy made a simple honest mistake and any kind person would pity them and help them. But now on the other, 2 million in coin is involved. You could say "**** it" to your kindness and choose wealth instead. Lets face it, if someone made an honest mistake with no money involved you'd help them, not rub it in their faces and punish them for it.

I honestly have zero respect for you guys who'd keep the money, and I'll be sure to remember all your names for the future.

I'd say **** the rules, I have money. b:chuckle

And I hope you do remember my name because you'll be screaming it later. b:cute

Tatuaje - Lost City · November 2009

I just thought of something hilarious to implement in this type of case.

Sure, take the item back but.....Just like how RL works charge him/her a 20% restocking fee.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · November 2009

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

I just thought of something hilarious to implement in this type of case.

Sure, take the item back but.....Just like how RL works charge him/her a 20% restocking fee.

lols!
restocking and servicing fee too b:cute
you had to go back into catshop to sell it again.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

The thing is DS, they guy makes the 'claim' that he bought the wrong item. Personally I am more inclined to believe he found a cheaper version somewhere and was trying to hoodwink the OP into giving him his money back. I'm not as convinced of 'humanities' goodness as some wish to believe. I'm more inclined to believe the buyer was trying something underhanded.

What server is this on? On HT, a Wind and the Clouds is difficult to unload for over 200k. A Sinister Shooter can easily go for over 1 mil. 2 mil for a Wind and the Clouds almost qualifies as a scam (I say almost because often the seller doesn't really know how much it's worth either). Either the guy really did think it was a Sinister Shooter, or as you say wanted a Wind and the Clouds and found out later that 2 mil is vastly overpriced.

If the seller didn't know he'd overpriced the item and doesn't often run a cat shop, then I say let the sale stand. Overpriced and under-priced items are part of the mechanics of the free market which allows prices to fluctuate in response to changes in supply and demand. As ruthless as it may sound, this is the market's way of enforcing the need to research the price of big-ticket items before you buy.

If the seller did know he'd vastly overpriced it, then it's essentially it's a scam, and I'd say return the money (although the seller/scammer never will, and is probably just using this thread to mollify a semi-guilty conscience).

The final caveat is that if the seller often runs a cat shop with a recognizable name and similar items for sale, then it would be better for business to accept the return. If you set up your shop in the same location with the same inventory and consistently good prices, people do notice and visit your shop more often. Likewise, if you sell items at ripoff prices, people notice and start avoiding your shop.

Quilue - Sanctuary · November 2009

you're assuming the seller wasn't vending a heavily refined/sharded W&C. for someone to even try to sell wind and clouds for that much means it must have something good about it ie: heavy refines b:dirty because everyone knows how cheap W&C goes just from a simple browse of the AH.

we can't really tell what the OP's intentions were until we hear what the OP had to say about his decision for the pricing *shrug*

iceknave · November 2009

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What server is this on? On HT, a Wind and the Clouds is difficult to unload for over 200k. A Sinister Shooter can easily go for over 1 mil. 2 mil for a Wind and the Clouds almost qualifies as a scam (I say almost because often the seller doesn't really know how much it's worth either). Either the guy really did think it was a Sinister Shooter, or as you say wanted a Wind and the Clouds and found out later that 2 mil is vastly overpriced.

If the seller didn't know he'd overpriced the item and doesn't often run a cat shop, then I say let the sale stand. Overpriced and under-priced items are part of the mechanics of the free market which allows prices to fluctuate in response to changes in supply and demand. As ruthless as it may sound, this is the market's way of enforcing the need to research the price of big-ticket items before you buy.

If the seller did know he'd vastly overpriced it, then it's essentially it's a scam, and I'd say return the money (although the seller/scammer never will, and is probably just using this thread to mollify a semi-guilty conscience).

I never mentioned the refine rate, the shards in the weapon, or the server I'm on. Based on my understanding of the market, I felt that 2 million, although a bit overpriced, was within the range of what it was worth at this time, but did not expect it to sell very quickly or even at all due to the very messed up market mechanics in part because of the anni packs and due to inability to sell it via the auction house even at a lower price and thus, just put it up on a cat shop alongside my other cheaper stuff.

In any case, this is interesting. I actually posted the thread in the first place to get a better feel of what are the norms for people misbuying items and wanting to return them for future reference since I had not really seen much on this topic except for out right scams (ie, putting an insane price on a common item, hoping someone messes up and buys it, thinking it's a more rare item with the same icon (which pretty much pisses everybody off blaming both seller and buyer, varying from individual to individual) and because I felt a bit bad that he bought an item he had no use for another 20 odd levels and claimed he was poor (I'm pretty poor as well since I spent most of my money on stuff to sell after the anni packs were gone and trying out Jolly Jones..b:cry.).

Blds - Lost City · November 2009

Depends on how they ask. If they're rude or demanding about it, they can go f themself and I'll keep the 2m that I sold from a shop.

If they ask me nicely and apologize and admit to being a dumbass for not viewing the item; I'll have a good LOL and then agree to buy it back off them

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · November 2009

I'd probably buy it back simply because he won't be able to use the weapon and I feel like I have a duty to look out for fledgling archers. As long as he was nice about it. It's up to you though as long as you weren't deceptive in your shop the sale was fair.

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