Venos are rated last in drop shares?!

Bowlinbob - Lost City · October 2009

Maiya - Lost City wrote: »

My faction loves venos in TT, we don't really discriminate.

*cough* bs *cough*

stoopeed veno >:o

Maiya - Lost City · October 2009

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

*cough* bs *cough*

stoopeed veno >:o

Are you like stalking me?

I change my statement. My faction loves venos (except Bob) in TT, we (except Bob) don't really discriminate. b:chuckle

Bowlinbob - Lost City · October 2009

Maiya - Lost City wrote: »

Are you like stalking me?

I change my statement. My faction loves venos (except Bob) in TT, we (except Bob) don't really discriminate. b:chuckle

I stalk everyone <_< it be my job as a troll ^^

*continues clicking "New Posts" repeatedly*

Kittennice - Heavens Tear · October 2009

That's odd. It should always go:

Subber
Barb
Celric
Veno
Arch/Mag/Bm

I don't know why they made you last.

_River - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's a 75% difference for accuracy, theirs tops out at 40%, ours at 70%. Or to put it another way, theirs*1.75=ours

Actually according to ecatomb.net a level 10 Sandstorm Wizard skill is a decrease in accuracy by 50%... not 40%. That's why I said there's a 20% difference between theirs and ours ^^

Lady_marta - Dreamweaver · October 2009

There's an easy solution for all this: Don't party with those people again. Let them pull their own mobs. Let them save their own butts. If they don't respect you enough to share the spoils, leave them and find a group who does.

Sevas - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Ignore Chronis. He's a total nub and he apparently has a complex against venos (probably 'cause he's had his **** handed to him by them).

In a TT2-# series the squad asked me the damage I was dealing and the damage my herc did. The barb and bm were angry because the damage my herc did outside of TT was the same as inside but their damage was reduced inside TT. My damage is comparable to what my L80 pure magic wizard friend deals.

I'm of the opinion if you tank the majority of the bosses then you should get first pick after subber. I can relate to you Rei since I was recently in a TT2-3 where I was one of the last to get picks from drops. The barb took the subber position since the original subber d/ced then we had a mage and cleric come in at the second boss. Both clerics got pick after the barb and I got to go after them. The other veno in the squad made me very angry because they never amped and didn't purge right on Ape boss. (Barb couldn't even hold agro against my herc.) My herc died so much in that run I was getting very angry. I only stayed for the whole thing because I needed Doggy for a culti quest and if I'd stayed that far I might as well finish.

Maybe next time you should ask what the picking order is so that you know where they stand. If you don't like it you can negotiate it or leave the squad and find a different one. Venos have just as complex a job in TT as clerics do trying to keep everyone alive. (I had to catch Wurlord after a pull so that it wouldn't hit the BB cleric.) -_- I still need to run TT2-2 for my culti.

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Oh noez, I learnt my lesson. I had assumed it would've been shared by need instead of what class/role you played since that's the way the rest of my faction did it. I think from now on i'll make sure i'm subbing it anyway.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Within a faction, there's some level of trust - and most factions seem to do neediest first.

Outside of a faction, you can't tell whether they really need it or are just going to turn round and sell it.

And yeah, I'm used to being pretty low on the pecking order - even if my pet's doing pretty big damage, and my amps are helping.

Isala - Sanctuary · October 2009

Here's a thought, Rei. Just grab a couple of your Veno friends, one Barb, and a couple of Clerics. See if they shaft Venos in that party.

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Oh gawd I think I just learnt my lesson twice. Went with a couple friends this time instead. 3 ants drop, 3 tails, 3 arms.

I was promised at least 1 ant and 1 arm by the subber (friend) if any dropped since I needed them. What happens? I get one arm. I noticed he's still got 3 ants and hasn't shared them. I ask him what about the ants. He says didn't I already give you one? I say no, and i've double checked.

He then offers a trade to show a couple wheels and a horn and says that's all he's got left. I'm pissed off now, I know he's lying. I'm not stupid. I spent hours in there just for one fricking arm. Dosen't even offer another less valuable mat to compensate. He walks away with 3 ants a couple tails and various 100k mats. I get 1 thing that I need. Rest walk away with 2 or more mats.

I'm subbing/banking my own and only taking those of highest trust with me. >_>.

Lolite - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Ewww... People's greed is so disgusting... I really cannot believe that "friend" even valued those stupid mats over friendship...

Can you tank those bosses by yourself? (As in herc or you tanking with a cleric?) If so, how about taking a cleric with you and just duo the run... Better shares for both of you...

Maiya - Lost City · October 2009

Lolite - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ewww... People's greed is so disgusting... I really cannot believe that "friend" even valued those stupid mats over friendship...

Can you tank those bosses by yourself? (As in herc or you tanking with a cleric?) If so, how about taking a cleric with you and just duo the run... Better shares for both of you...

If you can cancel Wurlord's magic, that's at least half the problem gone. Soulripper can easily be herc tanked and Rei could probably tank it herself if there was a cleric healing her.

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Haven't tried herc tanking them myself, but kinda doubt it. I bet I can tank them fox form though. I had to tank the horse boss when the barb left. BM kept stealing aggro now and then but it was good. We always have two clerics anyway.

What really got me is when we got out of there he pmed me saying "dont worry rei I can set up a squad for you tomorrow, I only ever do 2-3 lol. well get the mats you need."

I just ignored it.. No way am I going back in there spending hours on end just for one mat that I may or may not need by the end of it. -_-;

Grayroses - Heavens Tear · October 2009

You have chosen the wrong friends. Never happened that to me, if it would have that guy was blacklisted and erased from FL. I do a lot of solo runs and when I actually do a full squad I make sure I sub or somebody I know (subber/tank/clerics/DDs by lvl). In guild runs, need overcomes greed, not too many of those for me since they become expensive at some point.

ColdSteele - Lost City · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just went on a TT2-3 run and it really pissed me off.
Ok, I've never done a full TT2-3 before, but hey.. I'm not being
used to treated like i'm just some replaceable DD, cus I know i'm not.

Our drop shares were prioritsed by this:

Blademaster 8x - Subber.
Barbarian 9x- Tank.
Cleric 9x- Tank healer.
Cleric 9x- Tank/squad healer.
Archer 9x- DD
Venomancer 9x- Herc tank/ Sub tank (fox form, if barb died)/ Lurer/ DD/Debuffer.

Venomancers play a very important role in TTs and we're not just fricking pullers/DDs most of the time. If anything went wrong with the boss, my herc or myself would've stepped in for aggro until the barb got back on his feet. If any of the squishys took aggro by the mobs spawned, my herc and myself were tanking them.

Venomancers make the runs possible half of the time, make them much faster (from debuffs and amp) and run much more smoother. No other class can pull safely like we do. (If done right.) Not to mention, my fricking weapon was almost at breaking point by the end of it, had to spend most of the time DDing fox form. The clerics didn't get anywhere near as much endurance loss as I did.

I've had a couple venomancer friends tell me from their runs of how they were also rated last in drop shares. First time it's ever happened to me and I can't express how angry I am. I spent hours in there and came out with nothing that I needed for it.

End rant.

Well, I'd also like to point out, that Venomancers DO NOT make the runs possible half of the time. They are however useful though. I don't mind having or not having one in the runs I've done. Amp helps and luring can help to put my genie on a diet. But to me, venos outside pvp are a luxury to have.

But random drop is random drop. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I've been in where the veno subs and gets nothing, or a barb subs and gets everything, where a veno is afk for half the time and gets everything where the cleric uses almost a whole mp charm and comes out with nothing.

What I try to do to remedy this problem are the following:

1. Get a reliable group of people that you know need HH runs and run with that group only. You must trust them and have the most trustworthy bank to split equally. That way you can get regular runs and equal drops. Imo the best option.

2. Get in a faction with an HH program set in place. There's very small likelyhood that a faction will rip you off.

3. You could solo as mentioned above. Honestly venos are more useful in solo mode than squad.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh gawd I think I just learnt my lesson twice. Went with a couple friends this time instead. 3 ants drop, 3 tails, 3 arms.

I was promised at least 1 ant and 1 arm by the subber (friend) if any dropped since I needed them. What happens? I get one arm. I noticed he's still got 3 ants and hasn't shared them. I ask him what about the ants. He says didn't I already give you one? I say no, and i've double checked.

He then offers a trade to show a couple wheels and a horn and says that's all he's got left. I'm pissed off now, I know he's lying. I'm not stupid. I spent hours in there just for one fricking arm. Dosen't even offer another less valuable mat to compensate. He walks away with 3 ants a couple tails and various 100k mats. I get 1 thing that I need. Rest walk away with 2 or more mats.

I'm subbing/banking my own and only taking those of highest trust with me. >_>.

Come join us Rei

ColdSteele - Lost City · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh gawd I think I just learnt my lesson twice. Went with a couple friends this time instead. 3 ants drop, 3 tails, 3 arms.

I was promised at least 1 ant and 1 arm by the subber (friend) if any dropped since I needed them. What happens? I get one arm. I noticed he's still got 3 ants and hasn't shared them. I ask him what about the ants. He says didn't I already give you one? I say no, and i've double checked.

He then offers a trade to show a couple wheels and a horn and says that's all he's got left. I'm pissed off now, I know he's lying. I'm not stupid. I spent hours in there just for one fricking arm. Dosen't even offer another less valuable mat to compensate. He walks away with 3 ants a couple tails and various 100k mats. I get 1 thing that I need. Rest walk away with 2 or more mats.

I'm subbing/banking my own and only taking those of highest trust with me. >_>.

Sounds like you're being a little bit of a pushover no offense. Try being more assertive, and calling him/her out

tweakz · October 2009

Grayroses - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In guild runs, need overcomes greed, not too many of those for me since they become expensive at some point.

There is no such thing as need when it comes to TT drops. All can be exchanged for coin and back again, and lack of mats or desire for them can be fabricated. Greed is expecting much better drops because you simply say you need them. Half my armor is legendary which came partly from sale of TT mats. So I'm in as much need as much as anyone else. Pan handlers are con artists.

Brael - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Well, I'd also like to point out, that Venomancers DO NOT make the runs possible half of the time. They are however useful though. I don't mind having or not having one in the runs I've done. Amp helps and luring can help to put my genie on a diet. But to me, venos outside pvp are a luxury to have.

In all fairness, no single class is required to make them possible, but the amount of profit you gain per hour is directly related to the dps you take along. There's only tanks that can/can't survive and how long something takes to die. The first veno you add to a squad is going to add as much damage as two or three other dps if they do their job properly. Part of that is due to a pet, part is due to melee/nukes, and a large part of it is due to attributable damage. Most squads actively discourage high dps though, and that's why most squads suck.

He then offers a trade to show a couple wheels and a horn and says that's all he's got left. I'm pissed off now, I know he's lying. I'm not stupid. I spent hours in there just for one fricking arm. Dosen't even offer another less valuable mat to compensate. He walks away with 3 ants a couple tails and various 100k mats. I get 1 thing that I need. Rest walk away with 2 or more mats.

Should have called him on it. Also, if you take that the way I would take that, that's one hell of an insult, offering you a mat that's available at a rate of once every 40 minutes average from solo mode.

I don't think I would ever run 2-3 with random people though, 2-3 is basically a Barb/Cleric scam due to the huge difference in the value of mats. In other TT's the really high value items are gold mats (aside from ape paws) and it's common practice to sell and split them due to the huge value difference, why is it different in 2-3 just because the color of the item name is different?

Just another reason I hate pickup groups for TT.

Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Haven't tried herc tanking them myself, but kinda doubt it. I bet I can tank them fox form though. I had to tank the horse boss when the barb left. BM kept stealing aggro now and then but it was good. We always have two clerics anyway.

What really got me is when we got out of there he pmed me saying "dont worry rei I can set up a squad for you tomorrow, I only ever do 2-3 lol. well get the mats you need."

I just ignored it.. No way am I going back in there spending hours on end just for one mat that I may or may not need by the end of it. -_-;

Just do fata skip the rest and do the dog solo,it doesn't take that long and you can bring a friend to open up pillar at the dog boss,saves going through the bother of getting a rightfull share,they lose you win.

Gasoline - Lost City · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just went on a TT2-3 run and it really pissed me off.
Ok, I've never done a full TT2-3 before, but hey.. I'm not being
used to treated like i'm just some replaceable DD, cus I know i'm not.

Our drop shares were prioritsed by this:

Blademaster 8x - Subber.
Barbarian 9x- Tank.
Cleric 9x- Tank healer.
Cleric 9x- Tank/squad healer.
Archer 9x- DD
Venomancer 9x- Herc tank/ Sub tank (fox form, if barb died)/ Lurer/ DD/Debuffer.

Venomancers play a very important role in TTs and we're not just fricking pullers/DDs most of the time. If anything went wrong with the boss, my herc or myself would've stepped in for aggro until the barb got back on his feet. If any of the squishys took aggro by the mobs spawned, my herc and myself were tanking them.

Venomancers make the runs possible half of the time, make them much faster (from debuffs and amp) and run much more smoother. No other class can pull safely like we do. (If done right.) Not to mention, my fricking weapon was almost at breaking point by the end of it, had to spend most of the time DDing fox form. The clerics didn't get anywhere near as much endurance loss as I did.

I've had a couple venomancer friends tell me from their runs of how they were also rated last in drop shares. First time it's ever happened to me and I can't express how angry I am. I spent hours in there and came out with nothing that I needed for it.

End rant.

Never has this problem. If i don't get the mats i want i don't go on the run, simple as that. Than ppl mostly let you book the good stuff b:cute

Since i don't really need a party for HH im not gonna go with some randoms to be nice - i wanna book a mat i need or something that sells for a lot of money. If not they can gtfo.

As veno with herc you can solo most TT-bosses. And the ones you cant tank like Wulord in 2-3 - just farm something else, sell it and buy Forshura arms or w/e. Which is why we should get pretty much first pick when booking mats b:chuckle

shuyinzx · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just went on a TT2-3 run and it really pissed me off.
Ok, I've never done a full TT2-3 before, but hey.. I'm not being
used to treated like i'm just some replaceable DD, cus I know i'm not.

Our drop shares were prioritsed by this:

Blademaster 8x - Subber.
Barbarian 9x- Tank.
Cleric 9x- Tank healer.
Cleric 9x- Tank/squad healer.
Archer 9x- DD
Venomancer 9x- Herc tank/ Sub tank (fox form, if barb died)/ Lurer/ DD/Debuffer.

Venomancers play a very important role in TTs and we're not just fricking pullers/DDs most of the time. If anything went wrong with the boss, my herc or myself would've stepped in for aggro until the barb got back on his feet. If any of the squishys took aggro by the mobs spawned, my herc and myself were tanking them.

Venomancers make the runs possible half of the time, make them much faster (from debuffs and amp) and run much more smoother. No other class can pull safely like we do. (If done right.) Not to mention, my fricking weapon was almost at breaking point by the end of it, had to spend most of the time DDing fox form. The clerics didn't get anywhere near as much endurance loss as I did.

I've had a couple venomancer friends tell me from their runs of how they were also rated last in drop shares. First time it's ever happened to me and I can't express how angry I am. I spent hours in there and came out with nothing that I needed for it.

End rant.

you are not the only one my friend i went thru 2 tt run before and got nothing from both its kinda bs -_- i seriously think pwi just hate me or something -_- seriously NOTHING FROM THE 2 TT RUN NOT EVEN THE NORMAL MONSTER DROPS.... WTF

Sevas - Heavens Tear · October 2009

shuyinzx, maybe the party was set to free. If it is, you'll have to be front and center, right underfoot in order to get a drop.

HolyInferno - Sanctuary · October 2009

i love how so many BMs responded to this thread, seeing as they are one of the most useless classes in TT, followed by wizards unless you want to count their bell buff, but even then its pretty meh b:cute

Skimi - Dreamweaver · October 2009

i have done tt1-2 on cleric with barb and 2 archers and it took 23 minutes to kill gold armor shard boss(that 007 one)
other day i did it on my cleric with 3 venos and it took less than 10 minutes to kill, 007 msg didn't even show up

veno pets deals much more dmg than any dd there
+luring
+bramble
+amplify
+herc veno can tank bosses in tt that doesnt aoe to save up parties repair bill and mp usage for clerics

with veno in tt squad u make it much faster and much cheaper, putting them as last in line for drops will just make venos not do tt parties with other classes, but solo them

and seriously...clerics don't spend that much money on mp, mp food is really really cheap now

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear · October 2009

I can tell you only 3 things:

1. do in only with friends. many people get cheated by random squads.

2. join a good guild. if the guild sets no rules for distribution then set it by yourself. for instance, in my guild most people prefer to sell all instance drops and then distribute coins equally.

3. do more for your group. using lending hand on cleric to get sparks for bb, using bramble after a tank uses alpha male and using amplify damage are easy ways to make yourself more respectable. of course you can always offer sparks.

tweakz · October 2009

Skimi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

veno pets deals much more dmg than any dd there
+luring
+bramble
+amplify
+herc veno can tank bosses in tt that doesnt aoe to save up parties repair bill and mp usage for clerics

+Ironwood
+Myriad Rainbow
+Howl (if on pet)

Sevas - Heavens Tear · October 2009

HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

i love how so many BMs responded to this thread, seeing as they are one of the most useless classes in TT, followed by wizards unless you want to count their bell buff, but even then its pretty meh b:cute

That is utterly bogus. I know I haven't been in fail squads, but sometimes a barb misses a catch. The first class in line to save my veno bum is a BM, shortly behind them are archers and clerics, sometimes a wizzy. No class is worthless in TT. They all serve their purpose. Depending on BM build, they can act as a second or third tank in the event of barb dying. They also help a lot by "tanking" mobs during rushes.

**I never use Lending Hand unless they ask for a spark. No point in sending one if they never say they need one. Yell up if you need it and I'll give otherwise it's not my fault you can get BB up or use sunder or armagedon or whatever.

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »

**I never use Lending Hand unless they ask for a spark. No point in sending one if they never say they need one. Yell up if you need it and I'll give otherwise it's not my fault you can get BB up or use sunder or armagedon or whatever.

I have to agree to this, the barbs/clerics that I usually run with know they need to ask me for a spark if they want one. I can't read minds. I need my own sparks/chi for skills like feral concerntration, bramble hood (If I get into trouble) ironwood, myriad and 3 sparks to make the most of DDing.

Venos are rated last in drop shares?!

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