Recent studies explain high class failure rate

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think is ok as this is a game not a career.

The title was a bit of a joke, you know.. humour?.. ha ha? No?

This post was just pointing the reason as to why I think we're seeing so many people hitting 70-80+ and having no idea how to play their class or what to do in dungeons.

The other day I was helping a faction mate with his 69 20/20/20, we invited some other people from world chat to fill our party, and one of them, a level 71 blademaster said he had to go afk and wanted to put his character on follow. I told him he either needed it and would stay here, or he didn't need it and he should leave in that case. He said he needed it, but put me on follow anyway.

I kicked his butt out of the squad straight away. I won't tolerate leeching of any kind. You need something, you stay there and put in. Now, if you were that blademaster and you just put someone on follow through all your bosses and FBs, just imagine what kind of strife you'd be in 80-90+.
No one would want you in any kind of squad.

Centetric - Lost City · October 2009

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

I had this discussion a while back with a guild mate aswell. I believe what you have said is true as it is evident in the high level randoms I join in squads which are utterly clueless. Rebirths don't help either because well, effectively you can get to 86 and not know what in God's name to do.

You'd know which person is experienced or inexperienced from the way they attack and move in dungeons pretty easily.

The "older" players that have been around longer do seem to have increased team coordination and trust between each other so that everything they do becomes more efficient. I actually use to encourage low levels to find low level FB runners in guild instead of me jumping as a 8x into an fb 39. Too bad most of the people don't understand that.

And then once I had a little quarrel with a lower level player. I explained this to him (the entire thing about finding people their level to learn their class) and he retorted with"why make it more difficult? If I have higher levels to help, why settle for low ones?".That kind of annoyed me and I am glad he turned out to be a fail (at least a fail in my eyes). Good thing he left the faction too.

WHEN i READ WAT HE SAID I ALMOST BARFED/PUKED....................

YAY HE BECAME A FAIL HOORAH b:victoryb:thanks

yellow=wat i LUVED
OtHer= the kid was eww b:spitb:spit

Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Very rarely did i ever get help with anything in this game,which is why i'll bend over backwards to help anyone in a faction i'm in with their bosses and tt's,i know how frustratin it was for me gettin that help.

I explain what they would do on a boss or whatever if there in a normal squad also,but i don't really care if they reach lvl 90 without a clue on how to run instances,isn't the end of the world,doesn't destroy my gameplay 3 months down the line.

Ikurei - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

QFT. When DW just started, FB 19 was done one mob at a time. FB29 was "OMG can't believe we pulled that off". Being a leader of a small faction on a new server, I had to tank all my bosses, including my guildies', as a BM. Deaths were there, and it took forever to find a squad but FBs and bosses were done eventually. We did everything at level and found ways to do it, until we hit jewel. That was a brick wall for me and 6 clerics did not do the job. If I remembered right, it took me a couple of weeks to find help for Manta.
Remember my FB29? Such a small dungeon but so many deaths. Good news is that I've never ****ed up a pull after that day.b:cute

Those deaths, those failures not only taught me how to play my class, but also showed me that nothing will be handed to you and you have to fight your own battle. There was no higher faction mate to call, since I was always the top level. Most of the time there weren't even enough of the right class in the faction online. Many world chats were used.

This is the reason that I WILL NOT help with BH within the faction unless I'm REALLY bored. BH was an amazing addition to the game and it is meant to be done with people of your level range that also needs the same boss. It's also 10 levels below you so that you are not having to essentially do your own FB everyday. It's complete do-able with a squad that needs the boss, even thought if it might take some time and practice.
I quit BH. So much fail squads that it isn't even funny. A cleric who thought he could tank Zimo and asked me why I didn't heal him (he was the only cleric), barb that doesn't use tiger form because it lowers his damage, wizards and archers that start attacking before the barb even gets halfway to the boss and venos who fail at pulling mean that I spend hours in an instance with idiots and come out with 10k exp if I'm lucky. I'm stuck with the drag-my-useless-****-through-my-quests generation of players. I guess it's good that they're at least trying to do BH without higher level help.

It really baffles me when a member leaves the faction because they didn't have their bosses done right on the spot or that no one blast through TT 1-1 for them when they hit 60. As if the faction is a fail if their need weren't completely fulfilled by the faction, as if having to work with people outside of the faction sometimes means that the current faction they are in is unhelpful. If only they knew the times and amount of teles we've spent to for a squad for our FB's and TT's.
I have no comment for this.

Funny thing though, I started a veno on Heavens Tear the day before Harshlands and Dreamweaver opened so I've actually been on Dreamweaver since day 1. O_o My first 3 FBs were a pain in the **** but I've just had higher levels plowing through them after that.b:embarrass

XAsch - Sanctuary · October 2009

lol I remember tanking Jewel with my BM at lv61, after my first TW win, and Krimson at 69, with like 7 clerics xP. I quit about 4-5 months ago, so I can't say how people are now, though, they used to spam world chat every 2mins till they found someone - even paying a couple hundred thousand for a boss. =p

Slake - Lost City · October 2009

Quite a few fail clerics around these days ( I notice the clerics more because they are an integral part of instances + im a cleric so i know exactly what they are doing wrong :P).

Especially in 8x, I saw a cleric in a BH 69 run the other day run up and attempt to set up bb right in front of garnob before being oneshotted by its close range aoe. The same cleric also didn't know to purify on polearm and almost got our tank killed b4 i stopped dd-ing and took over.

Another cleric I know lvled from 5x to 9x in about 1 month using oracles, unless they have played a cleric b4 there is no way they are gonna know how to play that class....

A perfect example of this was a friends barb I was playing on the other day, I have hardly played any time on barbs and this char was 7x. I failed so hard because I had like no idea what the hell i was doing. I suppsoe bh's are good to teach ppl how to play their class, thats why I, like many other ppl i know say no to lower lvled bh runs most of the time.

Taranta - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Well...yeah. It is very true that most people just ride on the coattails of high lvl players to get into the 50+ range. Dreamweaver is getting pretty bad, especially if you ever try to start a new faction (I don't recommend it...we already have waay too many). I tried doing so, and I was getting lvl 5 people asking who the highest lvl player was in the faction, just so they could know how long they'd have help. I had to frequently tell everyone in the faction that I wanted to play the game too, not just run from point to point, helping the lowbies with every single quest. Needless to say, I gave the faction to one of my alts and kicked almost everyone. I'll go back to it once I find the time, but for the most part, it's over and done with.

Personally, I joined PW around a month before the release of BH. I had joined a faction, and there were a few high lvls, but most of us were in the 20-30 range when we started. We really ran our own fb 19's and 29's, and 39 was the first time anyone was actually helped out (Faction leader was a veno, kept running TT to get the mats). If I ever got help with bosses, I asked more questions than just "Can you do this for me?" and kept active in all the fights. I learned what was good and what was useless as I leveled, and although I had a jump from lvl 30 to lvl 50, I didn't ever stop trying to learn how to run things solo.

A little while after lvl 50, I made a cleric alt, and dear ****, that was a bad idea. I tried for a random squad for my fb19, and I ended up with a barb that was a fail as a tank, a veno that just kind of wandered around, and probably the 2 least successful damage dealers I've ever come across. These were all lvl 35+ players, and I think I dealt more overall damage in that instance than they did.

Now I keep getting asked to help with BHs, and I try to help, but it's getting bad. I can easily solo fb29 now, but if I've got a squad, I shouldn't have any trouble getting through. The last 2 times however, I nearly died because the tank just ran past the mobs and kept going, leaving me to try and survive, or sat back and watched, talking while I did all the work. I'm a pure robe...b:surrender. We lost the barb in the tower room, and when we asked the cleric to rez him, the wonderful cleric told us that he didn't get that skill because it seemed useless. He focused more on damage skills, because healing could always be done with pots. This is a lvl 40+ player...b:worried b:sweat I'm glad I just run with people fairly close to my own level, because I'm leaving the lowbies to beg to someone else. I'm tired of getting called a fail because I expect everyone to actually work in FBs/BHs.

Barbariankev - Heavens Tear · October 2009

yeah its really getting bad i had times i could hardly tank my own bh59 cause the cleric didnt have leveled heals(im sure its not me i had full TT70 and more then enther enough hp) or didnt listen to my advice as i have studied in learning how to play other classes cause yeah that way i can tell noobs from people who know how to play their class and the fact that im guiding newbies(im not doing their bh just giving them advice on how not to be fail) i see more and more failing at luring now and more hercs(no i dont hate hercs just telling what i see)
i know what it is to be fail i was it til my early 60s then my faction needed a good tank cause the old 1 left i started working hard on improving and it worked even though by the time i learned enough we lacked of clerics i did have profit off it
im stil not the best of the best but i got alot better and even now im improving

though dont be like me when you are new work hard from the start get good and dont let higher levels do everything for you become skilled as everyone benefits from it

Santacruz - Heavens Tear · October 2009

i always played the game the hard way so i learnt from suffering.

i got my 1st pet at 26 which was the golem, i got my air pet at 80 and my water pet at 85 so i never had it easy ^^

i do beleave that with the recent implimentation of certain things such as genies people are not learning how to play their class to the best they can and are becoming more lazy and dependant on higher ups to do every quest they have, rather than sticking it out and doing it themselves like all the higher ups used to

there are too many newbie players in this game, i cant recall the amount of times i do BH39 and on farren say "Dont go close, stay the hell away and let me tank it or aoe will kill you" and the idiots still run up and start attacking with "its ok i got pots!" and die.

natedog97 · October 2009

Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

there are too many newbie players in this game, i cant recall the amount of times i do BH39 and on farren say "Dont go close, stay the hell away and let me tank it or aoe will kill you" and the idiots still run up and start attacking with "its ok i got pots!" and die.

I LOVE when that happens b:dirty

Nothing says I told you so than corpses on the ground.

Aquilonian - Dreamweaver · October 2009

hey you guys forgot charms

Those things will make you a fail in no time yo! When it comes to failure creation these are the worst offenders. Oracles second, Guardian angels/scrolls third.

jump in with no charm fellas see how tough you are. I got charm last week to do my first rebirth and once is on, its bound (never did RB btw). I gotta tell you, it makes you play like a loser. It really really makes it easy. This game is too boring this way.

Damewort - Sanctuary · October 2009

I noticed a weird tendency... lvls 40-59 asks for help to run their TTs, but when they start to get bosses at fb51, they does it less. From lvl60+ they actually start to squad with their own levels or call for help higher ones only when they can't fill a spot or miss some needed class. At lvl60+ it turns from "Can someone help with..." to "Does anyone need...?".

Seems low levels are just too spoiled by higher levels (I am partly guilty too). If they ask for help with bh and you say that you can't atm, then they mostly don't look for squad, but waits for you or starts to whine that nobody helps them. I had a two guildies who logged off if you refused to go to bh29-39 at the same moment they asked or logged off without a word in middle of run, if they thought it was too slow. My bad... I tend to help with low level BHs - I am borred or want them to stop pleading on guild chat.

But what surprises me more is that there are lvl60+ and even lvl70+, who doesn't know how to play their class (How to pull? Purify? Archers standing next to mob to shoot at them...), hasn't run TTs. I sometimes feel like oldie... "When I was leveling up, we did our quests and tasks by our own". Everything except Krimson/Jewel/Manta is doable with your own level squad. Let it be with 5 clerics healing one tank or 5 venos spam healing one pet, but it is doable. I know clerics who went to TT being under lvl60. I ran TT1-1 with lvl45-62 squad, I went to TT3-1 being lvl72, we killed bunch of our level bosses just with a golem tanking and bunch of venos healing.

@Aquilonian - I agree. Charms makes you bit suicidal and makes you forget about some skills which you learned before. "Stole aggro on FB mob? Who cares? Charm, genie, pots will keep me alive long enough to kill it." I died twice on the day I stopped to use charms. I simply had forgotten my own limit when I have no charm on...in next few days almost died few more times...

Santacruz - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Aquilonian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

hey you guys forgot charms

Those things will make you a fail in no time yo! When it comes to failure creation these are the worst offenders. Oracles second, Guardian angels/scrolls third.

jump in with no charm fellas see how tough you are. I got charm last week to do my first rebirth and once is on, its bound (never did RB btw). I gotta tell you, it makes you play like a loser. It really really makes it easy. This game is too boring this way.

+1

charms are great but they often make you forget what your really capable of, i harldy use charms (only about 5 through a year) but after i burn one out it takes me a while to re adjust back to what i can handle, that often means a few neer deaths ^^;;

there great accessories tho, but once abused (points at the rich people) they do make you play like a idiot all the time

natedog97 · October 2009

Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

+1

charms are great but they often make you forget what your really capable of, i harldy use charms (only about 5 through a year) but after i burn one out it takes me a while to re adjust back to what i can handle, that often means a few neer deaths ^^;;

there great accessories tho, but once abused (points at the rich people) they do make you play like a idiot all the time

+2 :P

I agree charms also contribute to the fail classes.

My stance is charms should be reserved for TW and Pking. They are not needed in PvE (few exceptions being HP charms for barbs and MP for clerics on a few bosses, and rebirth squads)

Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Damewort - Sanctuary wrote: »

I noticed a weird tendency... lvls 40-59 asks for help to run their TTs, but when they start to get bosses at fb51, they does it less. From lvl60+ they actually start to squad with their own levels or call for help higher ones only when they can't fill a spot or miss some needed class. At lvl60+ it turns from "Can someone help with..." to "Does anyone need...?".

Seems low levels are just too spoiled by higher levels (I am partly guilty too). If they ask for help with bh and you say that you can't atm, then they mostly don't look for squad, but waits for you or starts to whine that nobody helps them. I had a two guildies who logged off if you refused to go to bh29-39 at the same moment they asked or logged off without a word in middle of run, if they thought it was too slow. My bad... I tend to help with low level BHs - I am borred or want them to stop pleading on guild chat.

But what surprises me more is that there are lvl60+ and even lvl70+, who doesn't know how to play their class (How to pull? Purify? Archers standing next to mob to shoot at them...), hasn't run TTs. I sometimes feel like oldie... "When I was leveling up, we did our quests and tasks by our own". Everything except Krimson/Jewel/Manta is doable with your own level squad. Let it be with 5 clerics healing one tank or 5 venos spam healing one pet, but it is doable. I know clerics who went to TT being under lvl60. I ran TT1-1 with lvl45-62 squad, I went to TT3-1 being lvl72, we killed bunch of our level bosses just with a golem tanking and bunch of venos healing.

@Aquilonian - I agree. Charms makes you bit suicidal and makes you forget about some skills which you learned before. "Stole aggro on FB mob? Who cares? Charm, genie, pots will keep me alive long enough to kill it." I died twice on the day I stopped to use charms. I simply had forgotten my own limit when I have no charm on...in next few days almost died few more times...

And using the charm to kill the mob you stole agro on is a bad thing how?

I'd rather be next to someone who if steals agro kills the mob without losing all their hp than be with someone who will kite for the next 10 minutes.
Charms have always been here,when i started in oct mid levels were always charmed nothings changed.
Infact a lot of actions everyones describing here has always been happening,but you people have 90+ levels of experience now and can safely point the finger at lower levels....lol

Only thing thats valid imo is that theres an influx of upper80 to mid 90 level players who don't know what they doing,i blame that on oracles and non stop afk levelling methods.

Damewort - Sanctuary · October 2009

@Imamandamnit - There is a difference on accidentally stealing aggro and not caring about stealing it and nuking non-stop. Example, wizard/archer will easily steal aggro if they don't watch the damage they make. Sure, they can stand hits for a bit with charm on while they would die quickly without it, but how long can they stand hits? What if there is only one cleric who is healing tank which is tanking few other mobs and needs those heals? Charmless DD watches the aggro more, learns to control their damage and are more cautious. That's the point. Besides, most of them (charmed ones) start to kite anyway if they don't get heals from cleric.
(using archers/wizards as example as they steal aggro more often than venos)

natedog97 · October 2009

Damewort is correct. The party can function great WITHOUT charms if everyone knows what they are doing.

I did make it up to my mid 90s using almost no charms (only for RB and TW) I am now preparing to do the same with the Psychic.

The bottom line is high lvl noobs are generated because of:

Riding the wave from higher lvls, oracles, and Zhen Parties.

Then to further the point

The very best players, skill wise(in both PvE and PvP), learned how to play their class without charms. Learning without charms sets up good habits all around.

However it gets a little complicated in PvP because a CS user who has always been charmed with +7 gold gear can beat a non CS user of HIGHER SKILL who only has +3 gear because of the difference in gear.

Telarith - Sanctuary · October 2009

I found the way around bad groups, is to be tank and healer in the same group and don't squad with others

Sucks making a 2nd cleric on another account to set it up, but so far it's kind of fun getting the hand of using two keyboards to both heal on one, and DD/tank bosses on the other. And I never have to worry about 1 or the other doing something random to **** it up. Can't wait to level my cleric up to 60+.

BH might help some, but even being 10 levels above lets you power through it. Having a lvl 45 cleric come along on an FB39 early on made the whole thing a breeze to get through. So BH might help somewhat, it still leaves a whole lot of leeway for bad playing.

AlexiaAlana - Dreamweaver · October 2009

im a bit on both sides of the fence in this conversation. while ive been a member of the PWI community since PWI came out (october of last year at least), i dont know if i can consider myself a veteran because i have never played past level 50. chalk it up to adhd and continuously starting over with a new character if you need a reason.

Anyways, the problem with finding players your own level for the beginning dungeons is, even if you or a couple / few of your teammates knows what to do, it only takes one idiot to **** up the entire run. And no offense to anyone, and I won't point fingers, but the internet doesn't have a short supply on idiots.

Plus people are lazy and want to get through the run as fast as possible, not having to deal with idiots, or dying, so they have 3 higher levels that can all solo the dungeon do it for them.

It's not something that will be changing anytime soon, no matter how many people encourage lowbies to work with other lowbies on their FBs. Personally, I've done both, and while I would prefer to do it with competent players of my own level, more often than not I've had higher levels do it with me. And yeah, I probably don't have the best experience I could have, but at least when I solo an FB, I generally know what to do because I've watched from example.
*also a thanks to the members of DeepEvil on DW for letting me join in on their high level fbs as a low level to help with pulling, really helped me learn how to pull my **** out of danger b:victory*

Berys - Harshlands · October 2009

This thread is giving me the warm fuzzies. There are actually others who want to do things the right way, not just blowing through it the easy way.

I will admit that I have been guilty of having people blow through a few of my bosses, but at the same time that was with these people asking me all day if I needed help with anything.

What is a little weird is I've managed to go the opposite direction on this trend a bit. My cleric is my highest char right now, and I've had a lv6* barb friend (another faction) asking me to help them with their BH. Its been cool since I get a sneak peak of the dungeons I'll be in eventually and earn a little rep among his friends. Hope I'm not heading towards a failure of epic proportions, but we managed to get through that BH with a squad of myself and three lv6* barbs with only one person charmed and said charm only ticking once.

And yes, I have an MP charm from the supply stash. It is currently sitting in the bank where it will REMAIN till it is really needed. I'd rather use the apoc items anyway.

On the other end of the spectrum however, I've done my BH with a couple of up and coming failures. The truly frightening part for me however is that there seems to be a majority of fail barbs on the way up. For example, got to the end of bh29 the other day, start in on the boss, and I notice that the bm and wiz are stealing agro. Come to find out, the barb went tiger form and went AFK on us. First time I blacklisted anyone.

Of late I've been dieing on a daily basis, but I've been trying to use that to figure out how to tweak myself to get it working. Not to mention, I usually have to die at least once to figure out my 'durability' against a group of mobs. b:laugh

brantanor · October 2009

I started my cleric because i wanted to be able to selfbuff and buff/heal others as well.

All my regular quests and even some of the more "relaxed" bosses i've done myself without any help. I like soloing things, but when it comes down to killing the hard ones, you can't do it just by yourself, which is obvious.

Througout the levelling i've learned how to use my cleric the best way i can. but it is true that, like was said before, some characters are focused on levelling as quickly as possible without really knowing their power and/or weaknesses.

When i'm about to buff a party, and someone just runs off without waiting for it, then i won't run after them anymore. If they think i'm their little "slave", then they're horribly mistaken.

I see more and more players who don't really "know" their class and other classes. It is true that there are more and more "failed" chars on their way.

I attribute that to the fact that a lot of players spends hundreds or more $/euros on ubergear and cash shop (charms/oracles) just to get a high level without "learning" how to play.

Within our faction we did some bosses our own level and died several times trying. So what ? You learn how to cooperate and move on if you really can't take em yet.

I too make use of the "zen" shop. I too buy charms (although no gold ones), but i try to use em wisely. They saved my life on different occasions which imo is the point of using them.

But what i don't get, is that a lot of players just "drop" quests like the dragon quests. "Ooh, it's to expensive, waste of time.." things like that. It's a part of the game experience, and imo should be done whenever you're bored of grinding/"killing xx mobs" quests. It's relaxing to fly from point to point knowing in the end you get some exp/item. And you experience another part of pwi.

I think that's the whole point of it, the full experience of everything the game offers, not the endless lvling contest.

Bebisito - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Learning how to play this game with people my own level has been awesome and fun.

That being said, when I help with bosses for lower leveled guildies, or even tank an FB for them, I always take the time to stop and explain things to them. They know they're more than welcome to ask any questions and I'll do my best to answer them.

Yaxana - Sanctuary · October 2009

Recently I've been playing my cleric almost everyday. Because most of lower lvls always asked for help with normal quests and all bosses, I was under the impressionthat clerics are really hard to play. Well, I was wrong, not only do I find it easy and fun, but I can also solo most quests and bosses except one or two which had a strong phisical attack and I couldn't tank them. That being said, people need to learn how to play the game and to stop asking for help from the higher lvls for every god damn quest. It is not only annoying but it is also a waste of time for the high lvls who also have quests to do. Twice I had people KS my bosses after I killed the minions. It was funny seeing how they failed miserably and died like fools. I guess that's what they get for being idiots and trying to KS a cleric instead of being smart and making a team. The second time that happened the veno even had the nerve to ask me to revive her. Of course I refused and left with my quest done after she was nice enough to lower the boss to half of it's HP.
Anyway back to high lvls, I've always tried to solo my quests and bosses, but I've never done RB, and don't plan to. It's just not my thing. If I don't know how to do RB it doesn't mean I fail, it just means I am not interested in that. The only stupid thing I ever did was buying Fashion instead of better gear, but I got over that and worked hard to get my Herc, and finally managed at lvl 87. I've also never used any Oracles except the 2 I got from the Supply Stash. That being said, I do not care about a person's lvl. Each lvls their own way, some use Oracles, some use Esotorica's, some just lvl with quests only and a bit of grinding once in a while. So I guess I'm still a bit newbie when it comes to some things in this game and I don't care. I play this game for fun and not to 'own' everyone else. I sometimes play everyday, sometimes I only do WQ for weeks. But yes I have noticed how many people jumped from like lvl 20 to lvl 80+ in a very short period of time. I just find it funny though.

bossy231 · October 2009

i love high lvl veno's that dont know how to pull, archers and wizards that attack mobs the tanks not attackin, and most of all barbs that dont know wat argo is...b:dirty...seeing them die is do fun...b:laugh

truekossy · October 2009

bossy231 wrote: »

i love high lvl veno's that dont know how to pull, archers and wizards that attack mobs the tanks not attackin, and most of all barbs that dont know wat argo is...b:dirty...seeing them die is do fun...b:laugh

This is actually a smart thing for those classes to do IF the tank hasn't already made sure to grab the monster's attention via roar or just attacking it.

Why?

Heal aggro. Anyone who's at a decent level and knows how to play their class should be able to figure the rest out on their own.

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

By the time you get to 80+ and start getting into the higher dungeons most classes are at a point where they can take a good amount of damage from elite mobs without needing full on cleric assistance. (They should know their limits by this stage) It makes things run so much smoother and faster, and ensures squishies aren't picking up strays.

On lower level dungeons, where everyone's still newb.. it's fail though. Nubs seem to think that when I send my herc to try and get aggro on a few mobs fo them to nuke, they start attacking ones my herc hasn't yet bashed (aggroed). They think that hercs/high levels are oh so mighty and invincible that nothing shall touch them in your presence -__-; They then die very quickly and start cussing me out for being a fail veno/tank =/

Anyway, I have been helping quite a few nubs in the past, but from now i'm going to refuse. They need to start doing it the way we had to. I've seen too many fail barbs/clerics/archers/wizzies/venos/BMs.. the next generation of 90s looks grim

BMs that don't like to stun, 80+ venos who can't pull, Barbs who dont have tiger form because it nerfs their damage, clerics who will heal you through bosses with blessing of the pure hearted....

King_Asmodei - Lost City · October 2009

i would have to agree that the perfect squads the noobs get didnt always happen for those that started early. i mean just last night my bm tanked a few bosses and had a wizz mostly healing me lol.b:chuckle

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

On the charms though I have to say i'm bit of a culprit xD;

I didn't really start using charms till 70+ when I got into TW/PvP and changed my build.
But yeah.. I use them in pve. I'm a heavy/robe veno.. when i'm buffed in fox form with my heavy gear I get 19k Pdef so.. I can kind of understand where BMs get their "No I can tank it!!!" egos. I'd always run through FB19 and tank all the mobs then bring them back for massive aoe slaughter by the squad. Hey.. it was fun =/

I always end up taking aggro from hercy by crits though, I do quite a few of those very often. So they do really save my butt most of the time.

Fayded - Lost City · October 2009

bossy231 wrote: »

i love high lvl veno's that dont know how to pull, archers and wizards that attack mobs the tanks not attackin, and most of all barbs that dont know wat argo is...b:dirty...seeing them die is do fun...b:laugh

Can't agree more with most of whats in this thread. I went to help a group of lowbies once on a dungeon I can solo with a bit of care and strategy, but try to tell them...they just wouldn't listen. They get to a door with mobs on the other side, everybody rushies in, DD's, healers the lot, then they all rush out with all the mobs following em and demanded I kill em all. Talk about laugh!

Anyway the leader of this group, lets call him lowbie ALPHA, he was the leader of his own faction, about lvl 30 I think, wouldn't have been so bad if he was an alt of old time player, but he was so much a fail that couldn't be possible. he was on my friend list for a while but he got so irritating in the end I kicked him, the only time I have ever kicked from my friends list. Every day, at least a dozen times I was on he would be asking me to travel across the map to help him with easy mobs. It got so bad I just couldn't enjoy the game anymore because I was constantly wating for the dong of squad or faction invite or just questions. Yes he was a lvl 30 faction leader inviting a lvl 60 veno to join.

What they need is lvl limited dungeons, or even solo dungeons that are a little bit difficult just to teach them how to use their skills better, when to rush and when to hold back etc.

Esteven - Heavens Tear · October 2009

I started playing PWI this past summer. I was never one too call high lvls to do quests and kill my minibosses every so often. Sure occasionally I needed some for a stronger miniboss or higher lvls in faction wanted to help with my fb for the added exp. But as I lvled i was the highest active barb in the faction and ended up getting used as a tank a lot more often by higher lvls in the faction so i learned how to tank the bigger bosses as a lower lvl.

Tank a 202020 in 79 as a lvl 65 and tank the 1st 2 bosses in there for fun. I learned through squading with higher lvl DDs to build up my aggro skills to ensure that i do not lose aggro from the +10 lvl diff at the time.

I have learned not to rush in on the mobs of bhs, even if the bh can be run easily with current squad. have learn that if the lvls and types of chars in the squad look great, it doesnt always lead to a great squad.

Had a veno recently in a bh decide to attack a mob, then another mob and another mob... instead of pulling one. So when the pet died had to catch all the mobs to make sure the others dont gain aggro.

BIG pet peeve when multiple mobs being attacked with multiple DDs(archers/wiz/cleric) ... why do they like to pick a mob each to attack, and complain if they pull aggro when there are +3 mobs a barb is trying to hold on to. wish DDers would focus on a single mob at a time and let the barb not have to focus on keeping aggro on all the mobs. Make it easier to save your asses...

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