Recent studies explain high class failure rate

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Sorry, no studies that was a lie :P
I was just having a good ol' bish to a buddy from a while back about how so many new people these days have it so easy compare to the pwi vets who had to wait ages to find a squad, or to be able to tackle a boss/dungeon they needed.

I think I was only ever 20-10 levels under the highest during that period and I remember waiting till I was level 65+ to do Jewel/Krimson ect :<

If you're a nub and you're in a decent guild, you get a boss quest and you say; "Oh noez, I nid boss". Boom, done. Your high levelled guild mates just sat on him for you.

My friend and I were discussing how this dosen't really help them in the sense that they're not learning how to tackle certain bosses or how to play their class roles correctly in such situations. Sure, a 9x to pew pew a 6x boss is safe, easy and cheap. In the end, me thinks the lowbie is the one losing out.

I mean we learnt to play our classes by failing and learning in dungeons with squads our level. How to recover from failed pulls, who tanks what when, who heals who what when, how to recover from a dead tank/cleric in the middle of a fight ect. It's not always a barb tanking and a cleric healing, contrary to popular beleif.

And because they're not learning such things, they've really got no experience to back them up when they're higher levelled say 80+-90+ and doing TT/RB ect o.o;

Thoughts?

Flickerfae - Sanctuary · October 2009

Personally, I think that BHes have done wonders in teaching me how to fight with players at my level. b:victory

I joined OWI before BHes were implemented, and I distinctly remember that a lot of my lvl 6x-7x factionmates were always happy to help with any bosses I had. Heck, it's still true today, except I'm in a different faction, and the high levels are now 8x-9x.

BHes, however, force you to play a relatively difficult dungeon, usually with characters at your level, unless you fill out your squad differently. True, you don't have to wait for a squad for any longer than it takes to fly to Archosaur and type "need squad for Farren," but the principle still applies. On Bhes (especially the earlier ones), you can get bad tanks who can't hold aggro, healers who heal at all the wrong times, archers and wizards who get aggro and end up training a trail of mobs halfway through the dungeon... imo, they're excellent learning environments. I'd suggest that everyone do their BHes at the level (and with other people at te level) that they're given. b:laugh

Mad_Doc - Sanctuary · October 2009

Hardship is the mother of innovation. Low lvl, undermanned, and low hp will force ppl to fight a boss a different way. One of the things I learned when I did krimson for example, you can figure out surprising methods to kill a boss. I did krimson with an archer and another cleric beside myself. Yes you don't need a barb and it is possible. b:chuckle I have also done krimson with a lvl 60 barb tanking.

Legerity - Sanctuary · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry, no studies that was a lie :P
I was just having a good ol' bish to a buddy from a while back about how so many new people these days have it so easy compare to the pwi vets who had to wait ages to find a squad, or to be able to tackle a boss/dungeon they needed.

I think I was only ever 20-10 levels under the highest during that period and I remember waiting till I was level 65+ to do Jewel/Krimson ect :<

If you're a nub and you're in a decent guild, you get a boss quest and you say; "Oh noez, I nid boss". Boom, done. Your high levelled guild mates just sat on him for you.

My friend and I were discussing how this dosen't really help them in the sense that they're not learning how to tackle certain bosses or how to play their class roles correctly in such situations. Sure, a 9x to pew pew a 6x boss is safe, easy and cheap. In the end, me thinks the lowbie is the one losing out.

I mean we learnt to play our classes by failing and learning in dungeons with squads our level. How to recover from failed pulls, who tanks what when, who heals who what when, how to recover from a dead tank/cleric in the middle of a fight ect. It's not always a barb tanking and a cleric healing, contrary to popular beleif.

And because they're not learning such things, they've really got no experience to back them up when they're higher levelled say 80+-90+ and doing TT/RB ect o.o;

Thoughts?

I had this discussion a while back with a guild mate aswell. I believe what you have said is true as it is evident in the high level randoms I join in squads which are utterly clueless. Rebirths don't help either because well, effectively you can get to 86 and not know what in God's name to do.

You'd know which person is experienced or inexperienced from the way they attack and move in dungeons pretty easily.

The "older" players that have been around longer do seem to have increased team coordination and trust between each other so that everything they do becomes more efficient. I actually use to encourage low levels to find low level FB runners in guild instead of me jumping as a 8x into an fb 39. Too bad most of the people don't understand that.

And then once I had a little quarrel with a lower level player. I explained this to him (the entire thing about finding people their level to learn their class) and he retorted with "why make it more difficult? If I have higher levels to help, why settle for low ones?". That kind of annoyed me and I am glad he turned out to be a fail (at least a fail in my eyes). Good thing he left the faction too.

Aadi - Lost City · October 2009

Flickerfae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Personally, I think that BHes have done wonders in teaching me how to fight with players at my level. b:victory

I joined OWI before BHes were implemented, and I distinctly remember that a lot of my lvl 6x-7x factionmates were always happy to help with any bosses I had. Heck, it's still true today, except I'm in a different faction, and the high levels are now 8x-9x.

BHes, however, force you to play a relatively difficult dungeon, usually with characters at your level, unless you fill out your squad differently. True, you don't have to wait for a squad for any longer than it takes to fly to Archosaur and type "need squad for Farren," but the principle still applies. On Bhes (especially the earlier ones), you can get bad tanks who can't hold aggro, healers who heal at all the wrong times, archers and wizards who get aggro and end up training a trail of mobs halfway through the dungeon... imo, they're excellent learning environments. I'd suggest that everyone do their BHes at the level (and with other people at te level) that they're given. b:laugh

Agreed. Even if you already have a good handle on how to play your class, the potential for getting a not-perfect squad for BH makes it more of a challenge. The other day I had a BH59 party with only one person who knew what they were doing...was fun. b:surrender

Reikara - Heavens Tear · October 2009

I see what you're saying Flickerfae, I forgot about BHes when I was writing this, but it still dosen't help cover experience for all other things

And @ Legerity, I tried my hardest to encourage the lowbies to find squads their level for such things, but they all had the same attitude as the guy you described, and turned out pretty much the same.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Well, no experience as an old-time player, but I certainly enjoy doing BH properly and never took up with those hateful "We run your FB for you" people.

Admittedly, this lead to me doing FB19 and FB29 on the same day, at level 32, but... it was a lot more fun.

Rebirth... yeah. One day I'll get a rebirth group

A part of the problem is that there are some quests which really ARE too much if done at the right level. I can see jewels being just about possible, but (for example) Kirmison?

MurderPriest - Harshlands · October 2009

The opening of Harshlands and Dreamweaver were a godsend for this very reason.

On LC, I was pretty fail, and never leveled past 44 on my mage.

However, I made the decision to jump to HL when it released because it was an east-coast server and a fresh start.

I'm glad I did.

As one of the few who rolled barb on day one, I got the privilege of leveling at the same rate as my peers with no high levels to fall back on. This meant I had to tank my own FB19, 29, 39, 51, AND all my bosses at-level.

This completely changed my PWI experience. It was like a quick crash course in instance running, teamwork, and gave me valuable insight into each class.

While I've bounced around from char to char (73 barb, 75 mage, 54 cleric, etc...) I've been learning as much as I could about each class.

It's been these experiences that have kept me from being a perpetual noob.

So, if you're reading this and don't want to be a noob anymore...

Go start doing everything at your level. Trust me, it will revolutionize PWI for you.

Redmenace - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Not everyone joins a faction at lvl 15.

I didn't join a faction (other than my own, with a grand total of 3 members (my family) and their alts) until I was lvl 62. I managed to get my way into squads to get the big minibosses without a faction to lean on. It's all about personality - whether you are the type of person to try it yourself, or you want to skate thru in easy mode, because you play to wear "fashion" instead of playing the game.

I ran my barb with my cleric alongside (2 pc's) and my wife's veno to pull through the first *several* FB's. And yea, I did call "do your FB for you" squads. But I didn't follow along like a good puppy - I asked questions, and fought right up there with 'em all the way to the end.

If you're not personally invested in learning and running your char, you will become a fail X. It has nothing to do with faction, and everything to do with attitude.

"I was here from the start, and I had to *work* at it, and the rest of these whippersnappers are FAIL 'cause they can get help."

Feh. Get offa MY lawn!

RedMenace

\uphill, both ways, in the snow, dead of winter, 40 below, etc.
\\hitches up drawers and sprays hose at intruders
\\\have already tanked FB79, 'cause I can

natedog97 · October 2009

I agree 100% with all of the above!

I started in Nov last year in sanctuary. Worked hard learned to play my class through tons of grinding, duels, low lvl FB squads, and in general hard work. By the time I was 85+ I was very respected by the server for an archer, in both PK and PvE.

Then people just a few months behind me started riding the wave of the higher lvls to become what I like to call high lvl noobs. I would talk to archers about their builds and skills because I generally wanted to help people. You would not be surprised how many of these high lvl noobs had messed up builds like one I met who had more str and mag than dex claiming that dex was for nothing but accuracy... As far as skills go I met people who didnt upgrade sharpened tooth because it appeared to "heal" the enemy (for those of you who dont know ST lowers the max hp and is most effective if used as an opener after that it just "heals" the boss although it still has the same HP left). I tried correcting a few and a few listened and also became decent archers but others ignored my advice saying I was a noob...

Scary thing is I know all classes have started to get a polution of high lvl noobs, they are the ones that open in pvp with their strongest attack or double spark/ triple spark before the other. They are the ones that leroy into areas and QQ when the cleric won't rez them (or even worse they were the cleric). People like this honestly know nothing about their class or how to properly play them...

Whats the point your a high lvl 9x and your skill level is stuck somewhere in the 6x... Play your class, learn your skills/ build, and you will earn respect on your server.

Another interesting point is how so many people who do work to higher lvls switch to another class and power lvl them... also becomes fail. Even though you have seen the classes played playing them is a different story... still want to be good....

PLAY YOUR CLASS AND STOP RIDING THE WAVE!

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · October 2009

well in another thread i said its non-sence to lvl through oracles and few who use them went on me (mentioning something about jealousy lol). I said its fine but in boundries and not from lvl65 to lvl85 within a week. You want to know why?

1. You have no exp. in RBs, mobs, bosses

Two Weeks ago with barb lvl71 in squad as tank:

barb: "Is there something i have to be aware off?"
Cleric lvl79: "Na, like always. You tank we heal."
Me:"...and puri"
Cleric lvl79: "Why puri?"
Me:"....emm debuff?"
Cleric lvl79: "sry dunno, didnt do fb69 yet" <---and this as lvl79 cleric????
Me:"...ok...strange for lvl79 cleric"
Cleric lvl79:"i used oracles..."
Me:"ahh...makes sence now"

2. Reason number 1 why i'm laughing my **** off when i see ppl lvl due Oracles, acting all high and mighty after ("We are high lvls now yay! We can join best faction now, yay! We get loan, yay! We can do TW, yay") Wow guys...and AFTER that...you get borred as hell!

This is a game! Game has a Goal! You reach this goal though competition and obstacles! I rather have a lvl71 cleric (who did fb69) using good old Puri and IH few times then a noob lvl79 who still thinks BB can solve everything!

xD back to A***

Maiya - Lost City · October 2009

I have to say that my best memories were tackling things with no high levels. Like fb19 with level 19s and 20s. A lot of people just use Oracles or rely on higher levels now. It creates this dependency on them and people get impatient when they don't receive immediate help for "being lower level."

I know this person who used to be like low 8x. Jolly and Anniversary Packs hit, he boosted to 98 on Oracles. Probably 99 or 100 now. You just skipped tons of levels, what now?

This is usually why I refuse to help most low levels with different things, because they're too reliant.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear · October 2009

MurderPriest - Harshlands wrote: »

The opening of Harshlands and Dreamweaver were a godsend for this very reason.

On LC, I was pretty fail, and never leveled past 44 on my mage.

However, I made the decision to jump to HL when it released because it was an east-coast server and a fresh start.

I'm glad I did.

As one of the few who rolled barb on day one, I got the privilege of leveling at the same rate as my peers with no high levels to fall back on. This meant I had to tank my own FB19, 29, 39, 51, AND all my bosses at-level.

This completely changed my PWI experience. It was like a quick crash course in instance running, teamwork, and gave me valuable insight into each class.

While I've bounced around from char to char (73 barb, 75 mage, 54 cleric, etc...) I've been learning as much as I could about each class.

It's been these experiences that have kept me from being a perpetual noob.

So, if you're reading this and don't want to be a noob anymore...

Go start doing everything at your level. Trust me, it will revolutionize PWI for you.

The only thing about HL and Dreamweaver now, is that you have the wonderful world of Oracled "I-Paid-my-way-through-pwi-and-all-I-got-was-a-fail-char" people. >.> Seriously. I run into MORE of the people Rei is talking about on DW server then i do on HT. that being said, however, on HT the lowest member of my guild is a whopping level 83. I find the easiest way to avoid confrontation with someone who doesn't know how to play their character, is to ... well simply avoid them. It has sucked for me I used to lov heling lower people on things, but then I came to realize. Yesterday I killed Chin and Dismal Shade for this group... NONE of them knew what to do and it took longer for me to EXPLAIN it then it did to actually kill the bosses. When I did Chin myself it was a big group of levle 40s, our tank was a levle 55, and he still got killed when Chin AoE'd the party. Ah good times. good times. I miss the days of 'hardknocks' I haven't had NEARLY the trouble on my BM that I did on my Veno in terms of learning the game.

Bowlinbob - Lost City · October 2009

I can thank my success on the 1,000+ times ive died <_<

Gotta learn the hard way, and take note of what you did wrong.

Quilue - Sanctuary · October 2009

bah...worst is when lowbies beg high lvls to do their mob quests for them. then they really end up clueless when they've cs'd/handfed to the higher lvls

HealHamsta - Lost City · October 2009

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

I can thank my success on the 1,000+ times ive died <_<

Gotta learn the hard way, and take note of what you did wrong.

b:sad
Me didn't kill jewelscalen until level 63...And I still haven't killed viriddis. (and I'm 67)

b:cry

lol woot for Bowlingbob every time I die me gain more noob power.
^(o.o)^
woot~!
b:victory
<--oops meant to post on me wizard. DX MagicHamsta level 67 full magic robe hamster wizard in a PvP server. O.o

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Agree with the OP. Though I can say I came in 1/2way and got some help with some of the bosses/fbs. I still do a fair share of helping, and though it gives me something to do, I realize that it doesn't teach the lower levels as much.

I'm still a noob barb, but I picked this class because even a noob barb can roll and make a bunch of mistakes.

Kylley - Sanctuary · October 2009

When I started playing, I asked my brother to help me on my questsb:surrender, he was lvl4x and told:

"I didnt have problem doing my quests in the beginning, you should be ok alone."

=-.-= The only reason why I wanted him to help me was to play with him XD But I see why he didnt want to help and im happy that he didntb:pleased And now, I am one lvl higher than himb:victory

Now, I LOL each time a low lvl between 1 and 1x ask for help to higher lvls for his quests. I dont understand why some low lvls dont do their quests and go grind with a higher lvl that kill mobs while they get exp =O.o=...

Thats like...really easy to get to lvl20... only have to do the quests... alone for more exp or with players of same lvl... =-.-=

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you're a nub and you're in a decent guild, you get a boss quest and you say; "Oh noez, I nid boss". Boom, done. Your high levelled guild mates just sat on him for you.

LMFAO b:laugh

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My friend and I were discussing how this dosen't really help them in the sense that they're not learning how to tackle certain bosses or how to play their class roles correctly in such situations. Sure, a 9x to pew pew a 6x boss is safe, easy and cheap. In the end, me thinks the lowbie is the one losing out.

I mean we learnt to play our classes by failing and learning in dungeons with squads our level. How to recover from failed pulls, who tanks what when, who heals who what when, how to recover from a dead tank/cleric in the middle of a fight ect. It's not always a barb tanking and a cleric healing, contrary to popular beleif.

And because they're not learning such things, they've really got no experience to back them up when they're higher levelled say 80+-90+ and doing TT/RB ect o.o;

Thoughts?

Very true. Altho sad thing is this goes both ways. lowbies asking for help and the high lvlers actually babying them. It reminds me of parents that give their children everything and not think later how thats gonna affect their childrens behavior

HolyInferno - Sanctuary · October 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Very true. Altho sad thing is this goes both ways. lowbies asking for help and the high lvlers actually babying them. It reminds me of parents that give their children everything and not think later how thats gonna affect their childrens behavior

I've been saying this for months and people calld me an a-hole for being greedy and selfish b:surrender

Alerean - Heavens Tear · October 2009

HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've been saying this for months and people calld me an a-hole for being greedy and selfish b:surrender

I think what needs to happen is a balance. Yes helping them out with some of the bosses should happen, there is no point in making it too difficult, but at the same time they need to learn from it. As such, while helping them with the boss you can provide tips, and maybe give them feedback on what they do. This is what I try to do at least when helping low levels as it helps them in killing whatever boss, but also helps them by teaching them techniques they can try the next time they solo or kill a boss.

Gasoline - Lost City · October 2009

I often get a bit annoyed when lowbies in guilds claim "they neeeed" a certain boss over and over crying and spamming. Its like the entire development and future of their char depends on whether they get Krimson Eye done...and its like shiet exp and 1 cinnabar fruit as reward.

They missed the part where 99% of bosses in PWI is optional, the exp for them is not really that great and same goes for the rewards - which is why ppl whining for help about bosses everyday is annoying - they could actually go grind and lvl up instead and be able to do the boss themselves.

Its not that hard to make a party with others on same lvl that actually needs same boss, use world chat if they cant find cleric or barb in guild or friends list. But so many just assume that higher lvls in guild are gonna do everything for them...cuz thats what guildies are for right...

Doing quests and bosses with ppl on same lvl is actually a lot more fun and you learn so much more about your class if you play the game that way <.<

Kylley - Sanctuary · October 2009

She's rightb:victory (or he O.o)

It's more fun when i squad with people my lvl, I get to actually be useful in the squad XD

As for the bosses, Chin is going down soon against two venoesb:sin

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · October 2009

Gasoline - Lost City wrote: »

I often get a bit annoyed when lowbies in guilds claim "they neeeed" a certain boss over and over crying and spamming. Its like the entire development and future of their char depends on whether they get Krimson Eye done...and its like shiet exp and 1 cinnabar fruit as reward.

They missed the part where 99% of bosses in PWI is optional, the exp for them is not really that great and same goes for the rewards - which is why ppl whining for help about bosses everyday is annoying - they could actually go grind and lvl up instead and be able to do the boss themselves.

Its not that hard to make a party with others on same lvl that actually needs same boss, use world chat if they cant find cleric or barb in guild or friends list. But so many just assume that higher lvls in guild are gonna do everything for them...cuz thats what guildies are for right...

Doing quests and bosses with ppl on same lvl is actually a lot more fun and you learn so much more about your class if you play the game that way <.<

they need to make a semi solo world for nubs until lv50 with no oracles, no fruits, and no exp scrolls in a land filled with pple no higher than 55 >> then transfer them to the real world

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary · October 2009

i'm not gonna be like one of those people that says they been saying all along that people should stick to their level grouping and learn how to successfully complete something without a high level...

but again i have been saying this for awhile. ^^

I have always tried to complete my quests on my own before i ever ask for some help. If i died while trying, well then i knew that i atleast gave it my best shot. When i did ask for help, i did not ask for the help of some high level.

This is not the only game i have seen low levels only wanting help from high levels. This problem goes way beyond perfect world.

Ciara_Sable - Heavens Tear · October 2009

If I raise my hand as being one of the newbs who got Uber lvl help on fb19, will I be pummelled?

Now, granted, it wasn't so much that I or RL Hubby -asked- for it, so much as the higher lvl BM was so -excited- to help. "Your boss is a lvl 20 with the HP of a lvl 100 and the defense of a 80 and we'll get a percentage scaled to our level if we help you!!!" Well, fine, being the easygoing sort and not sure what to expect, hubby and I got a group of 40-70+ to help on the elf and Untamed fb19. BM called for her friends and POW, instant group.

Uh... wow. Ok, so it turned into Follow-the-archer with hubby and I on cleanup detail. He grumbled about feeling totally useless as a barb, and I really only felt needed when the BM broke from the archer's trail of carnage to chase her own brutal rainbows and still got half smushed in a dungeon half her level. (My Cleric ftw?*baffled*)

Hubby and I don't like to be drug along like that. It's incredibly boring. BUT--- we did learn a little bit of how fb's work and it was ok end experience.

My dream group for an FB... level appropriate alts of old timers who've been through it before. I still haven't done my FB19 for my veno and she's 31 now. I'm picky enough to not want a group full of people who don't know what's going on (read: can't assist the tank or listen to the cleric if they say halt for meditation), but I don't want to be an accessory on my own flippin' quest.

LFG FB19 20-30, anyone..?

StormHydra - Sanctuary · October 2009

This is what bounty hunter is for.
From bounty hunter alot of people learn alot of stuff about their class (ie I am supposed to freeze, stun and steal aggro when mob goes after cleric.). I mean seriously your doing an elite dungeon basically every day...ANd your only about 10-20 levels above the mobs. Most of the mobs in the dungeon can 3-5 shot you (unless your a barb).

Aadi - Lost City · October 2009

Ciara_Sable - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If I raise my hand as being one of the newbs who got Uber lvl help on fb19, will I be pummelled?

Now, granted, it wasn't so much that I or RL Hubby -asked- for it, so much as the higher lvl BM was so -excited- to help. "Your boss is a lvl 20 with the HP of a lvl 100 and the defense of a 80 and we'll get a percentage scaled to our level if we help you!!!" Well, fine, being the easygoing sort and not sure what to expect, hubby and I got a group of 40-70+ to help on the elf and Untamed fb19. BM called for her friends and POW, instant group.

Uh... wow. Ok, so it turned into Follow-the-archer with hubby and I on cleanup detail. He grumbled about feeling totally useless as a barb, and I really only felt needed when the BM broke from the archer's trail of carnage to chase her own brutal rainbows and still got half smushed in a dungeon half her level. (My Cleric ftw?*baffled*)

Hubby and I don't like to be drug along like that. It's incredibly boring. BUT--- we did learn a little bit of how fb's work and it was ok end experience.

My dream group for an FB... level appropriate alts of old timers who've been through it before. I still haven't done my FB19 for my veno and she's 31 now. I'm picky enough to not want a group full of people who don't know what's going on (read: can't assist the tank or listen to the cleric if they say halt for meditation), but I don't want to be an accessory on my own flippin' quest.

LFG FB19 20-30, anyone..?

When I started this character after a veno, I remembered how useless I felt in all my FBs because all I did was follow after, except for one failed attempt at FB19 with my level 19 veno and my friend's 3x veno, and that was the most fun I had had in an instance...

Fortunately now I'm of great use in all my own FBs b:cute When I do them, that is...I got so bored of them at low levels that I still have my tabs for both 69 and 79 b:surrender

As for oracles, I have friend that have used oracles and I could just never imagine myself using them. I feel like the intent of oracles was to have a little extra exp once in a while, so I'll use them if they drop from a mob. But I don't think the intent was to have people grinding the oracles to shoot up levels.

Ussichu - Sanctuary · October 2009

As an archer, there really wasn't a different between what levels i was with. I still follow the same principle, DD from afar and don't get aggro. And my wife would heal for all her bosses. With higher levels some classes remained unchanged, in fact lots of times barbs tank their own bosses while having a high level cleric and such.

Just some people are just too dependent and get babied.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver · October 2009

MurderPriest - Harshlands wrote: »

The opening of Harshlands and Dreamweaver were a godsend for this very reason.

On LC, I was pretty fail, and never leveled past 44 on my mage.

However, I made the decision to jump to HL when it released because it was an east-coast server and a fresh start.

I'm glad I did.

As one of the few who rolled barb on day one, I got the privilege of leveling at the same rate as my peers with no high levels to fall back on. This meant I had to tank my own FB19, 29, 39, 51, AND all my bosses at-level.

This completely changed my PWI experience. It was like a quick crash course in instance running, teamwork, and gave me valuable insight into each class.

While I've bounced around from char to char (73 barb, 75 mage, 54 cleric, etc...) I've been learning as much as I could about each class.

It's been these experiences that have kept me from being a perpetual noob.

So, if you're reading this and don't want to be a noob anymore...

Go start doing everything at your level. Trust me, it will revolutionize PWI for you.

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

I can thank my success on the 1,000+ times ive died <_<

Gotta learn the hard way, and take note of what you did wrong.

QFT. When DW just started, FB 19 was done one mob at a time. FB29 was "OMG can't believe we pulled that off". Being a leader of a small faction on a new server, I had to tank all my bosses, including my guildies', as a BM. Deaths were there, and it took forever to find a squad but FBs and bosses were done eventually. We did everything at level and found ways to do it, until we hit jewel. That was a brick wall for me and 6 clerics did not do the job. If I remembered right, it took me a couple of weeks to find help for Manta.

Those deaths, those failures not only taught me how to play my class, but also showed me that nothing will be handed to you and you have to fight your own battle. There was no higher faction mate to call, since I was always the top level. Most of the time there weren't even enough of the right class in the faction online. Many world chats were used.

This is the reason that I WILL NOT help with BH within the faction unless I'm REALLY bored. BH was an amazing addition to the game and it is meant to be done with people of your level range that also needs the same boss. It's also 10 levels below you so that you are not having to essentially do your own FB everyday. It's complete do-able with a squad that needs the boss, even thought if it might take some time and practice.

It really baffles me when a member leaves the faction because they didn't have their bosses done right on the spot or that no one blast through TT 1-1 for them when they hit 60. As if the faction is a fail if their need weren't completely fulfilled by the faction, as if having to work with people outside of the faction sometimes means that the current faction they are in is unhelpful. If only they knew the times and amount of teles we've spent to for a squad for our FB's and TT's.

Granrey - Sanctuary · October 2009

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry, no studies that was a lie :P
I was just having a good ol' bish to a buddy from a while back about how so many new people these days have it so easy compare to the pwi vets who had to wait ages to find a squad, or to be able to tackle a boss/dungeon they needed.

I think I was only ever 20-10 levels under the highest during that period and I remember waiting till I was level 65+ to do Jewel/Krimson ect :<

If you're a nub and you're in a decent guild, you get a boss quest and you say; "Oh noez, I nid boss". Boom, done. Your high levelled guild mates just sat on him for you.

My friend and I were discussing how this dosen't really help them in the sense that they're not learning how to tackle certain bosses or how to play their class roles correctly in such situations. Sure, a 9x to pew pew a 6x boss is safe, easy and cheap. In the end, me thinks the lowbie is the one losing out.

I mean we learnt to play our classes by failing and learning in dungeons with squads our level. How to recover from failed pulls, who tanks what when, who heals who what when, how to recover from a dead tank/cleric in the middle of a fight ect. It's not always a barb tanking and a cleric healing, contrary to popular beleif.

And because they're not learning such things, they've really got no experience to back them up when they're higher levelled say 80+-90+ and doing TT/RB ect o.o;

Thoughts?

I think is ok as this is a game not a career.

Recent studies explain high class failure rate

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