Rank 8 weapons...

david12345 wrote: »

I heard they are completely class specific, no choice whatsoever.

As in only wizards get the awesome Nature talker, clerics get the lovely Wheel of Life.

And venos... get this... phys atk.. phys def... pathetic minimum damage... (not to mention how it looks).

Please tell me that's not true.

Actually is not so bad, but there are better weapons that's true. And physical attack that's suck.

well clerics do get the -6% bu then yeah what a waste of putting on 230 mp >_>

and why do clerics not have demon/sage skill for BB or RB? (regeneration aura and heavens wrath)

all classes have demon or sage skill on their aoe DD or so and what do clerics get? nothing >_>

to be honest i'm kinda dissapointed on the extra stats that clerics get on their demon/sage addon for skills they looked kinda good , but now that i hear everyone else around me talking about their awesome demon or sage skills i'm like b:sad wth

also there is no change in caster weps , they're constantly the ame stats or crit or extra dd or -% or junk addons

no like has a chance to give caster ... more mag attack for .. sec etc
i know we can't miss as casters but hey at high lvl i dun think archers miss either etc

david12345 wrote: »

Everyone says venos get the most love, but Imo they get screwed the most by far endgame.

They have nix. /Arguement.

Given rank8 is completely impossible ato attain within a single human lifespan... Yeah, I'm pretty much ok with that.

There is two rank 8 bows on lost city.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »

has the best base pattk out of the 3. the highest base max magic dmg.
the def is nice and so is the +4 crit.. the + pattk is nice for the right kind of veno - fox/caster hybrid. I'd say that weapon would be perfect for a demon LA veno that uses both foxform and caster equally.

the only thing that bothers me about that weapon is the attack speed. Arent patakas slower than swords?

The slower attack speed gives it the worst DPS of the three weapons, even with the +77 patk bonus. Here are the physical attack characteristics of the three, as well as the orange level 100 weapon you could make with a twilight mat, and the gold level 100 weapon you can craft in OHT (both swords). The magic swords have a base 1.25 atk/sec speed. Patakas are 1.00 atk/sec. The DPS column normalizes this.

Item						min			max			avg			DPS
Nature Talker (wiz)		663			995			829			1036.25
Wheel of Light (cler)		666			900			783			978.75
Pataka of M.P. (veno)		854			1027		940.5		940.5
Sinraboansho (all) 		527			791			659			823.75
Solar Enlighten. (all)		448			672			560			700
Mysto Caster (all)		672			1008		840			1050

In terms of physical attack, the magic swords are the best. Using them as a baseline of 100%, the glaives have approximately 95% the physical DPS, the patakas 84%, and the wands 77%. So I'm a little miffed that they gave the only caster class which makes extensive use of physical attacks the 2nd worst weapon type for physical attacks. It kinda defeats the point of giving venos a melee bonus in fox form. I suppose on the bright side, your repair bills would be lower.

david12345 wrote: »

If you use a pwcalc to check damages, you'd find how poorly the pataka compares with the other 2 weapons in matk (and by poor I mean it does about 1.4k or so less min then the NT and only about 100 more max matk - which is simply absurd, as pataka's main point is high matk).

Average magic attack actually works out to the same as the cleric weapon (though the cleric weapon has a sweet -6% channel). The +313 pdef is nothing to sneeze at for an arcane veno. But for a light or heavy veno who would actually use the +77 patk, it's so small as to be roundoff error.

Item						min			max			avg			bonus
Nature Talker (wiz)		1212		1611		1411.5		 +14-15 mag, +4% crit
Wheel of Light (cler)		1077		1616		1346.5		 -6% channel, +310 mp, +4% crit
Pataka of M.P. (veno)		943			1750		1346.5		 +77 patk, +313 pdef, +4% crit
Sinraboansho (all) 		961			1175		1068		 -6% channel, +16-17 mag, +4% crit
Solar Enlighten. (all)		816			997			906.5		random
Mysto Caster (all)		1228		1500		1364		+50 attack level, +16-18 mag, +16-18 vit, +3% phys damage reduction

Edit: Added the warsoul Mysto Caster sword

david12345 wrote: »

The NT does more matk then that, as it has the magic bonus.

I included the bonuses in the min/max damage figures. The NT has 1212-1481 matk, with +130 max magic attack bonus. So I put it in the table as 1212-1611, with the average calculated as (1212+1611)/2.

Oh and it looks 100x better.

I don't mind the look too much. Though I do wish if they're gonna make the pataka so huge, that they would increase its range to be larger than that of the sword/glaive/wand. The warsoul Mysto Caster looks better than any of these though.

Nature Talker:


Wheel of Life:


Pataka of Melodic Prophecy:


Mysto Caster:

david12345 wrote: »

Yes, but the 14-15 mgk bonus it has, that increases its damage doesn't it?

Yes, by about 2.7% - 3.7% depending on your build. About equivalent to adding +40 - +50 to the weapon's matk, except the bonus does not apply to sparked attacks.

Like I said, the mag stat bonus translates into 2.7% (if you're 4 mag per level) to 3.7% (if you're 3 mag per level) more matk for the character.

Per your figures:
Wiz with NT: 5445-7101
Wiz with NT with 0 mgk bonus on NT: 5248-6844

5445/5248 = 1.0375 = 3.7% more
7101/6844 = 1.0376 = 3.7% more

This is approximately equivalent to +40 - 50 weapon magic attack. Not character magic attack. (And curse PWI for giving the same name to different stats.)

To get a warsoul weapon, you need 100 of each:
- Warsoul: Ksitigarbha
- Warsoul: Vajra
- Warsoul: Samantabhadra
- Warsoul: Manjusri
- Warsoul: Arkarsja
- Warsoul: Jakari
- Warsoul: Avalokites

The easiest way to obtain each item:
Warsoul: Ksitigarbha <- Feng's Steel Armor <- 12 chips
Warsoul: Vajra <- Transparent Crystal <- 42 chips
Warsoul: Samantabhadra <- 315 chips
Warsoul: Manjusri <- 158 chips
Warsoul: Arkarsja <- 100 Mystic Tome Fragments
Warsoul: Jakari <- 473 chips
Warsoul: Avalokites <- 100 Perfect Stones

Since there needs to be 100 of each,
1200 + 4200 + 31500 + 15800 + 47300 = 100 000 Mysterious Chips
10 000 Mystic Tome Fragments
10 000 Perfect Stones

For the Mysterious Chips, with the (now past) anniversary event,
((100 000 chips / 10 chips/pack) x 9 tokens/pack) / 15 tokens/gold = 6000 gold
For Mystic Tome Fragments, that's a lot of GV runs, but assume 20 per day and 10 squads running it (i.e. a third of a faction), that's roughly 2 months worth of farming.
For Perfect Stones, you can get 70 Perfect Stones every day through manufacturing Old Heaven's Tear wrists, then decomposing them (actually, since you get 4 Tears of Heaven per OHT daily and the sleeves require only 3, you can get 280 every 3 days). With only 10 people doing the dailies, that's only two weeks worth of OHT dailies.

In other words, to get a Warsoul (according to the stats on pwdatabase.com), you need $6000, a lot of GV runs, and two weeks of doing OHT dailies. For Warsoul: Samantabhadra, if you do many, many (i.e. 100) Lunar Glave runs and instead exchange Blizzard Fragment (10), Blizzard Stamp (5) or Blizzard Heart (5) for each fragment, that will save you $1890.

Fully possible.

As far as I can tell, Single Butterfly is the game's most powerful magical weapon. At +12, it'd be 2318-2864 Magic Attack with -6% channeling and +50 Attack Level (i.e. deal 50% more damage). Add two Saphire Gems (with that many Anniversary packs, you probably will have 2) and that brings it up to 2468-3014 Magic Attack.

Why doesn't anyone have a Warsoul weapon here yet?

~Desiree

Ryla - Lost City wrote: »

There is two rank 8 bows on lost city.

3

10 char okas

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

Curious though, are rank 6 weapons same as rank 8. I mean, does each class get a different one too?

They aren't class specific, so all magic classes would get the Beamhoof Slicer: link

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

Attack skills aren't affected by weapon speed though, so whether or not DPS is more/less would depend upon the ratio of regular attacks versus skill attacks.

I figure that when you really need DPS, you're going to be spamming skills, which seems to favour the PoMP. I haven't done the math, though.

Spamming skills works for light venos. For a heavy veno, your str is high enough that you actually do more DPS from regular attacks. The skills take anywhere from 1.2-1.9 sec, while a regular attack is 0.8 sec. So spamming skills actually lowers your melee DPS for a heavy. Edit: Since the skill damage bonus is a fixed number (venos don't get >100% weapon damage melee skills, except for sparks), I imagine high level light venos with good weapons would encounter the same thing.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=3976582#post3976582

I need to re-calculate all that with the Sage skills though. I hadn't expected to get more than a couple Sage skills once I reached 89 so I never bothered calculating. But I got enough advanced mystical pages from the recent event to get the veno Sage skill pack. So once I reach 89 and get my 89 weapon crafted, I'll revisit this.