what can venos with herc solo ?

LadyMunckin - Heavens Tear
LadyMunckin - Heavens Tear Posts: 31 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Venomancer
anyone tell me what can a veno with herc solo of each TT..FB..FL..etc modes

like im a 81 with herc veno, can i solo a TT1-3 ?

and can a lvl 90 herc veno solo TT3-1
and lvl99 solo 3-2 or 3-3 ?
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  • AinaMizuako - Sanctuary
    AinaMizuako - Sanctuary Posts: 1,041 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    anyone tell me what can a veno with herc solo of each TT..FB..FL..etc modes

    like im a 81 with herc veno, can i solo a TT1-3 ?

    and can a lvl 90 herc veno solo TT3-1
    and lvl99 solo 3-2 or 3-3 ?

    Herc Veno can solo pretty much 90% of the game, rest requires a squad.

    3-3 probably cannot be soloed by ANY class due to the insane difficulty of the last boss. He will oneshot your herc.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Herc Veno can solo pretty much 90% of the game, rest requires a squad.

    3-3 probably cannot be soloed by ANY class due to the insane difficulty of the last boss. He will oneshot your herc.

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  • AinaMizuako - Sanctuary
    AinaMizuako - Sanctuary Posts: 1,041 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    truekossy wrote: »
    Four words: Herc Kamikaze Conga Line

    That brings up very unsettling yet hilarious mental images.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    anyone tell me what can a veno with herc solo of each TT..FB..FL..etc modes

    like im a 81 with herc veno, can i solo a TT1-3 ?

    and can a lvl 90 herc veno solo TT3-1
    and lvl99 solo 3-2 or 3-3 ?

    Yes to 3-1 except for Djin or something like that (4m boss). That boss though can be tanked with a Scorpion, and the Scorpion can have Claw, Flesh Ream, Bash, etc. Haven't tried soloing it yet though (am 91).
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    anyone tell me what can a veno with herc solo of each TT..FB..FL..etc modes

    like im a 81 with herc veno, can i solo a TT1-3 ?

    and can a lvl 90 herc veno solo TT3-1
    and lvl99 solo 3-2 or 3-3 ?

    FBs: All of them all the way up FB69's Polearm (and of course the turtle boss in the water.) You might want to be 85+ though. You can solo FB79, but Loon will be difficult, he's one of the hardest hitting bosses in that FB. Brigand hits fast and a little hard, amp is easy to squeak in though. FB89 (both) you can solo those bosses at 90+ (that's just for safety).

    TT: You can solo 3-1 easily, but you will have to spam heal and it will take you ages in squad mode going solo with your herc. 3-2/3 are insanely hard, I went on one 3-3 run once, bosses in there have long range sleep/stun aoes. You should be able to solo many of the lower TT bosses as well.

    FL: No idea, never been.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    anyone tell me what can a veno with herc solo of each TT..FB..FL..etc modes

    like im a 81 with herc veno, can i solo a TT1-3 ?

    and can a lvl 90 herc veno solo TT3-1
    and lvl99 solo 3-2 or 3-3 ?

    in theory you can solo most of the game with very few boss exceptions. anything that debuffs defence or hits a herc for over 4k are things you cant solo.

    also keep in mind solo = you gotta get past the mobs alone too. in tt 1-x they're too mobby for me so i dont solo it ever.

    so what it really comes down to is the individual. people've told me i cant solo cosmo, but past a certain lvl i now can, where they maintain that "no u cant". likewise, i cant take on those 1-x mobs alone, yet they can. so get some angels, and go try it for yourself. only you can figure out your own limits.
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    in theory you can solo most of the game with very few boss exceptions. anything that debuffs defence or hits a herc for over 4k are things you cant solo.

    also keep in mind solo = you gotta get past the mobs alone too. in tt 1-x they're too mobby for me so i dont solo it ever.

    so what it really comes down to is the individual. people've told me i cant solo cosmo, but past a certain lvl i now can, where they maintain that "no u cant". likewise, i cant take on those 1-x mobs alone, yet they can. so get some angels, and go try it for yourself. only you can figure out your own limits.

    The TT1-# series is the easiest series a Veno can solo. In the 90s I expect a Veno, with the proper build, can solo 1-1/2. I should be able to solo 1-3 now. (I'm not talking solo mode, I'm talking squad mode as I think most of us are.) The mobs in 1-1 are easy. You can tank all of them in one room on the herc. I haven't tried solo 1-2/3 yet. I might do that soon, but bring a cleric with me just in case Drummer or Soulbanish start to look a little rough on my HP charm. (Don't get cocky about Drummer, he's the hardest hitting boss in this TT series. Only a 90+ herc can tank Drummer, but you might next extra heal or around -30% chan.)

    In the TT2-# series, this one is tricky. In 2-1 squad mode a veno can solo all of the bosses except for Forshura (possibly Feng too). In 2-2/3 the herc can tank everything but Ape and Forshura. However, the last time I ran a 2-3, it was my herc that tanked every boss except Forshura until it died. There was a second veno in the squad that would not help do anything but DD. So I will say, at some point, you can probably solo tank 2-2/3 Ape. Soloing Astral is all a matter of positioning the boss so you only get two of the adds.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Hmm, at level 80, when I got my new endless amb, I did a 2-2 squad run. Tried to solo heal/tank ape, but herc died (due to 2 high end damage spikes) after cosmo reached 75%hp. The good thing was, I was only tanking to save cleric's charm. Barb took aggro, and we passed it. I might be able to solo at 83 with new pet heal, and some more channeling gear. Never had a chance to try though.
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  • cjp2
    cjp2 Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Any veno can solo TT1-1/1-2/1-3 at like lvl 85 (except Soulbanisher) and for Ape u need 2 venos one to purge and help heal unless u have super good chan.As for 2-2/2-3 astral easy i've done it with freinds veno not hard for anyone to do.
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    b:chuckle Drummer might be a little hard in 1-3. There were times I tried to tank it with a squad at my back and I would ask the barb to let me try it. So nice, they let me try it and then I would decide after the first hit if they needed to take it. =3 Now, however, I'm pretty confident that I can handle Drummer.
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Gaur and Polearm are not easy at the OP's lvl at all. I wouldn't find it justifiable to even try unless you just lvl'd. I saw a high 70s/low80s veno w/Griefs soloing Silver Frost a very short while ago as I was going to help some people, so bosses can be fun. Unless wined AND charmed, FB79 will be almost pointless to do at your lvl as the monsters you are pulling are very fast (to fast for you to re-summon without being hit or even be able to genie skill hit and kite without being hit, yourself), kite, hit very hard on a squishy veno (like 700-1300 dmg) and have a rather large aggro range, so not the most reasonable thing to do whatsoever (i.e. you can probably do it but it's gonna be so risky and costly that it's kinda dumb to try). For TT, solo most bosses up to your lvl's quests with the only real exceptions being those with AOE hitting too hard for you to reasonably survive.
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    For soloing, unwined FB79 is hell and takes entirely too long. In a group, three 90+ venos with 90+ hercs, at least one cleric, and two others, we made it back to Linus/Brigand in 40mins, counting the detour needed to kill Stygean to open the other door.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    unwined bh/fb79 with one veno and 1 cleric + 4 DDs = NIGHTMARE. Herc cannot aggro multiple mobs, and DDs like to go crazy in there. b:infuriated

    And, those archers that run dont help one bit...

    Oh yea, on topic, fb79 is easy as hell to solo. Even a lvl 70 veno with herc can solo (wined) or unwined if they have hours and hours to kill.
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    unwined bh/fb79 with one veno and 1 cleric + 4 DDs = NIGHTMARE. Herc cannot aggro multiple mobs, and DDs like to go crazy in there. b:infuriated

    And, those archers that run dont help one bit...

    Oh yea, on topic, fb79 is easy as hell to solo. Even a lvl 70 veno with herc can solo (wined) or unwined if they have hours and hours to kill.

    b:chuckle That all depends on the DDs and how good they are. Assuming the herc will tank everything and the barb demotes himself to DDing, then a barb, a couple bms and one other are not so bad in that instance. If we're talking the DD types like Wiz and Archer, that's gonna hurt bad in the end.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    BM stuns in fb79 really helps against those pesky archers.
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    No kidding! That's just part of why we love BMs!
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I heard you can duel TT80 with a Cleric not sure if it is 3-3.
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  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    so back to business ;)

    TT 1-1 no problem here
    TT 1-2 Forget soulbanish, and be prepared to tick the charm a few times
    TT 1-3 Forget Soulban and Drummer

    TT 2-1 real easy, just forget Wurlord, feng will make your charm tick a few times (first time done at 76-78 can be done before)
    TT 2-2 forget wurlord, Feng is a pain in the @.. Cosmo too.. try to have some friends coming to help, second veno and cleric
    TT 2-3 Forget wurlord, Feng and cosmo, the ape can kill herc once in a while, so be prepared.

    TT 3-1 easy as pie at 88, just needs lots of pots (Forget Djinn if solo, duotable @90 with sage skills) If you dont do djinn, you wont get Deathflow
    TT 3-2 harder than 3-1, Coredash can be done solo, djinn needs some help (done with 2 lower lvl venos) Deathflow.. easy... forget the rest.

    TT 3-3 is harder.
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  • Maciaveli - Lost City
    Maciaveli - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    cjp2 wrote: »
    Any veno can solo TT1-1/1-2/1-3 at like lvl 85 (except Soulbanisher) and for Ape u need 2 venos one to purge and help heal unless u have super good chan.As for 2-2/2-3 astral easy i've done it with freinds veno not hard for anyone to do.

    1-1/2 SURE, Herc will get 1 shot just before drum boss dies on 1-3. I've been with level 85 veno with -40% channeling and she couldn't do it. 2-1/2-2 is the best to solo in my opinion. Quite easy, too.
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  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    tweakz wrote: »
    Yes to 3-1 except for Djin or something like that (4m boss). That boss though can be tanked with a Scorpion, and the Scorpion can have Claw, Flesh Ream, Bash, etc. Haven't tried soloing it yet though (am 91).

    1432291 hp in 3-1. That's a lot of damage to try and put out on your own. Claw, Bash, Ele Bash (pierce if demon), Howl seems like it would be your best chance. But even with that, I'm not sure how it would be possible. A few of those 1.5 spark potions (I'm not sure of the cool down on them) would help a lot. My strategy would be:
    Start as fox, with max chi/li's up
    sage degeneration
    amp
    myriad
    drop fox
    sage spark
    myriad
    poison
    ironwood/lucky/venomous/venomous/ironwood/venomous/venomous (last venomous might hit after amp/spark drops)
    blazing
    lucky
    fox
    chi skill
    leech
    chi potion
    repeat the sage spark thing, with myriads

    Then nuke, spark when you can, save howls for during amp (and spark when you can), poison each amp. I just outlined the first minute of the fight basically, that's where most of the damage would be done.

    I'm estimating that first minute would knock about 600k damage off including the pet, the problem I'm running into there is, minus degeneration it would come to 313k/minute, and you would need 286k to finish in time... except that's sparked in the first minute. Maybe if I factored it with sage venomous/ironwood/lucky it would come out a bit more favorable, as I was basing it off my nukes roughly.

    Anyways, it certainly wouldn't be easy and you would need atleast level 92 before doing it it seems, that way you could have the fun toys.

    Have any higher venos pulled it off? If not I'll have to give it a shot at some point, likely in a few weeks (minus the claw on the scorpion... won't buy that just to try) when I have the spare coin for the pet skills.
    1-1/2 SURE, Herc will get 1 shot just before drum boss dies on 1-3. I've been with level 85 veno with -40% channeling and she couldn't do it. 2-1/2-2 is the best to solo in my opinion. Quite easy, too.

    I pulled off my first 1-3 drum solo at 87 or 88. I have no clue how my pet didn't die, but I managed to do it. I actually thought it was 1-2 at the time, but I realized after the fact (during shooting aur) that I was doing 1-3. It was quite a shock really.
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    TT 1-1 no problem here
    TT 1-2 Forget soulbanish, and be prepared to tick the charm a few times
    TT 1-3 Forget Soulban and Drummer

    With Soulbanisher and Drummer, it's all a matter of distance. There was one time I ran suicide 1-3 with Teny and Momento and for some reason we never got hit by Soulbanisher's aoe. We were standing at the max range, respectively, for our heal/attack skills. I can't explain why Soulbanisher never hit us because I know he's got an extremely long-ranged aoe. However, if you're worried about getting hit too hard or charm tick, then bring a cleric with you. That would be the best run because you're only splitting mats with one player and you get a DD out of it on bosses that don't aoe.
    TT 2-1 real easy, just forget Wurlord, feng will make your charm tick a few times (first time done at 76-78 can be done before)
    TT 2-2 forget wurlord, Feng is a pain in the @.. Cosmo too.. try to have some friends coming to help, second veno and cleric
    TT 2-3 Forget wurlord, Feng and cosmo, the ape can kill herc once in a while, so be prepared.

    I have heard that 90+ Venos with hercs can do the 2-1 Forshura. I don't know if that's solo or with a second heal. The only time I saw a veno tanking Forshura was in my 70s and she was in her 80s. There was another veno already with her and it took three of use spamming to keep her pet up and I don't remember, but I think this was before hercs. There accidents that day, but it was interesting.

    In my opinion, Feng's AoE doesn't hit overly hard, it's the debuff from him that's a pain in the ****. I say this because if a 2-3 AoE from Feng only hits me for 300-400 damage with BB up, it's nothing a pot can't handle.

    Cosmo will be the tricky one. A veno will need excellent channeling reduction and when that fails, use Relentless Courage (genie skill) or an channel reducing pot (something like Windrage Incense). I love Windrage because it often allows me to squeak in an amp in the 3-# series, but I also use it when I'm lagging a bit on heals and need to catch up fast.
    TT 3-1 easy as pie at 88, just needs lots of pots (Forget Djinn if solo, duotable @90 with sage skills) If you dont do djinn, you wont get Deathflow
    TT 3-2 harder than 3-1, Coredash can be done solo, djinn needs some help (done with 2 lower lvl venos) Deathflow.. easy... forget the rest.

    TT 3-3 is harder.

    The first time I tanked 3-1 was at L84 because a guildie made me do it. He told me L80+ Herc Venos can do it, so I trusted him with that. There were no accidents, thankfully, but this was a place where I got impatient with slow DDing and used a pot to squeak in an amp then jump back on healing.

    Djinnscream is beastly. Sure, he only hits 1s or 200s now and again, but when you get past four minutes you become a one hit wonder. (The first time meeting him in a TT3-1 squad was funny. We ran out of time and 3-4 members of the squad died. b:chuckle)

    3-2/3 Bosses are pure hell. I thought I hated the bosses in the FB89s and FB99s, but in the higher portions of this series these bosses have the most awful aoes (sleep and stun). On top of that, they are long range. Not to mention, the mobs after the first few bosses give you hell reaching the ones in the back.
  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    1-2 drum hits pretty hard, you'd need to be 80+ to do it reliably.
    1-3 drum hits very hard, not a sure thing at 90.
    Maybe 95+? I dont know, havnt tried him for a while.
    Soulbanisher imposssible in either 1-2 or 1-3 generally. 1-2 possible if youre sufficiently higher level and have very high pdef.

    2-1 wurlord not reliable at 98, unless you use some trickery with -hit.
    Same for 2-2 and 2-3 wurlord.
    Cosmoforce 2-2 maybe soloable at 100, otherwise he will get you with his buffs. Doubt if cosmoforce 2-3 is soloable at all. 2 venos both purging can do this guy easy tho.

    3-1 timed boss I doubt is possible at any level. *maybe* 100+ with sage spells and an uber weapon, but Id still have my doubts.

    Guarnob not possible until much higher level. Poleaxe still not soloable at high 90's
    All of fb79 and fb89 soloable, though you will need to spam heal when phlebo does his curse.
    Dont know about fb99.

    As for world bosses, jewelscalen is easy at 98, I guess he would become doable in the mid 80's. Krimson I am told is still impossible at 100.

    Remember too that there is a trick to reduce their accuracy to 0, but I have yet to play around with this.
  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    At 85 or so I still couldn't handle Jewel. I was able to take the AE by spamming potions, but believe it or not, my pet was the weak link. I tried with a nix, and I tried pulling to the ground and using a herc.

    3-1 timed is likely doable eventually, I don't think it would take 100+. At 1.4 million HP it would be about the same hp as Vipenalt: Chronol. If you want a practice run, go try that. If you can do it in say 5.5 minutes or less (since it's wood and you have to actually heal the pet) you should be good.

    Another possible test mob looks to be Chintien: Dimensic at 1.1 mil hp. If you can do that in 4 minutes you're probably good for 3-1 as well.

    As for the accuracy trick, you can't use it anymore if solo, and even if you could it would be very hectic between using a pet that can shriek to interrupt spells, and keeping both of your debuffs on. Since they changed genies though, you either need a 60 str/60 dex/108 magic genie or two 60 str/60 dex/29 magic genies.
  • Mivi - Lost City
    Mivi - Lost City Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    me and a veno lv 86 win vs wurlord 2-1 with her herc
    with us a barb with frigthen and stop wurlord's magic attack channeling
    herc was doubleshotted few times anyway
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    2-1 Forshura might be doable with the Lightning Chaser skill on Genie. That skill is a must for Belial squads anyway. This will allow practice with getting the timing right to interrupt. If you think your herc is going to drop, I hope you cleared mobs on the way in so you have a straight getaway with HP (and possibly Demon Fox Form shifting).

    Gaurnob is completely doable at 85+. The debuff from Polearm will kill herc every time. FB99 requires a squad since the bosses in there have wicked AoEs. Torment has AoE stun bosses, Abaddon just had evil hard-hitting AoEs.
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Solo, I'm not sure, but I was with a Cleric for Soul 1-2. Cleric died because of AoE, but in Fox Form, even right on top of him, I kept alive with my Charm, and event pots. Granted, the buffs from the Cleric were a massive part of that, but then again, most of us know a cleric who wouldn't mind joining us in a TT, right?
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Of course not! Especially if they get something nice out of it. TT bosses do physical AoE as well, so that's why they sometimes go squish. Squads normally ask for bramble guard on AoE bosses since damage will reflect back.
  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    My lightning chaser genie has 40 dex, 80 magic. On Wurlord it runs a fairly solid 1/3 interrupt rate with level 1 of lightning chaser.

    The data I have from Wurlord so far is 87 interrupts, 89 fail to interrupt, 92 not attempted. Essentially, I have the energy regeneration to attempt two out of every 3 nukes. Of those, I have what I'm guessing to be a 50% chance to interrupt them (either it's 40% and I've been lucky, or it's 50% which could be a 10% base chance plus 40% from the dex) giving me an overall interrupt rate of 1/3.

    It can still help you, but don't count on it to keep the herc alive.

    If you're full arcane with good channeling, Gaurnob is doable at 78, but it's not easy (or fast).

    Edit: Forgot to add, I've never once interrupted Lord of Percussion when using Lightning Chaser. I know barbs can interrupt him though, which means either my timing horribly sucks or there's some other reason behind it. My assumption right now is that I don't suck quite that badly and that it has to do with LC being metal based while LoP is also metal.