Is 50 Vit enough for an arcane veno?

slimebubble
slimebubble Posts: 33 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Venomancer
Here's my build so far,

Vit: 50
Str: Just enough to use next level weapon
Dex: Base dex (i did not add any points here)
Mag: All remaining points

What I have now (Level 43)
Vit: 50
Str: 26
Dex: 7
Mag: 160+

Something like that coz I've some additional points from equipts.

My friends say that an arcane veno that likes to solo normally has about 100 vit (inclusive of Vit points on their armours). I'm happy with my damage so far, but I'm like a piece of soggy noodle when it comes to tanking.

Any advice?
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  • XToSx - Sanctuary
    XToSx - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    a bit more vit is useful, especially when you get to the higher lvls and start to TT and RB. I'm arcane at the moment currently have 91 vit.
  • slimebubble
    slimebubble Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    XToSx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    a bit more vit is useful, especially when you get to the higher lvls and start to TT and RB. I'm arcane at the moment currently have 91 vit.

    I guess you are right, I've about 1600+ hp for my 50 VIT. May I ask how much HP do u have now with 91 VIT?

    Also, how do you make up for the lost in terms of magical damage? (Do u shard your weapons?)
  • _Aphrael_ - Sanctuary
    _Aphrael_ - Sanctuary Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    i have been using 7mag, 2vit, 1str every 2 lvls, currently including bonus attributes fror equip, tomes etc i have 141vit, 346 mag, 50str and 5 dex. i have 4921hp which i find is very usefull for cube and any aoe bosses. the slightly lower mag attacks hasnt been a problem at all
  • Ana_I - Sanctuary
    Ana_I - Sanctuary Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    i have some problems in some places, but as i dont have herc anyway i cant solo stronger bosses anyways in TT...i got vit 9 (well +4 vit belt) and +90 HP cape i have 2107 HP.Since now im not feeling its too bad...i sometimes die easy but they hit me like 3k+ so no matter anyway
  • Lolite - Heavens Tear
    Lolite - Heavens Tear Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I have 50 base vit and I'm kinda glad that I added some vit lol Better survival for sure. However, I won't add any more vit until late80's because I'd prefer more healing powers for pets later on in TT.
    Moved to WoW b:bye
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I'm pure mag and have yet to see a drawback. I haven't done RB yet, but have been in squad on the last boss of 2-3. For the rare occasions I need more vit or def: I have special equips. I also still have special equips for when I need more Mag.
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  • slimebubble
    slimebubble Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    _Aphrael_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i have been using 7mag, 2vit, 1str every 2 lvls, currently including bonus attributes fror equip, tomes etc i have 141vit, 346 mag, 50str and 5 dex. i have 4921hp which i find is very usefull for cube and any aoe bosses. the slightly lower mag attacks hasnt been a problem at all

    Do you think Keeping Vit:Mag in a 1:3 ratio's a good idea?
    Perhaps by the time I reach 300 MAG, i should have 100 VIT added?

    I don't plan on getting a herc anytime soon, too ex. So grinding with my pet's my mode of play at the moment. And soloing in general maps while doing fbs occasionally...
  • _Aphrael_ - Sanctuary
    _Aphrael_ - Sanctuary Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I cant really advie 1 way or another, i went high vit for cube and TT but without a herc you wont be soloing TT squad mode and cube is entirely optional. both high vit and pure mag builds work so it depends on how much of a glass cannon you want to be.
  • Alexeno - Sanctuary
    Alexeno - Sanctuary Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    i'm a LA veno, with 5 vit... yet i have more survivability than when i was a AA veno with (vit=lvl+4)

    so go figure
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  • Della_Brown - Heavens Tear
    Della_Brown - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i'm a LA veno, with 5 vit... yet i have more survivability than when i was a AA veno with (vit=lvl+4)

    so go figure
    That's good to read. I just started one of those today. Do any particular added equipment attributes seem to help out?
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Some of the best PvP Venos on the HT Server have over 100 VIT.
  • Korren - Lost City
    Korren - Lost City Posts: 339 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Some of the best PvP Venos on the HT Server have over 100 VIT.

    b:sweat
    I have 180 vit....
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  • Alexeno - Sanctuary
    Alexeno - Sanctuary Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Della_Brown - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That's good to read. I just started one of those today. Do any particular added equipment attributes seem to help out?

    keep your gear at level. use the highest HP helm you can (i have all the quest reward HP helms in my bank, saved for when my str stat allows for upgrade)

    priorities for gear:
    #1 sockets (ALL SOCKETS ARE CITRINE GEMS)
    #2 +vit (each vit point adds 12[?] hp)
    #3 +hp (hp = LA veno's best friend)
    #4 +str (for equipping better hp helms)
    #5 +pdef/mdef (boosts to pdef/mdef are more helpful for LA than AA/HA)

    i cannot stress enough how important it is to get as many hp boosting shards/enhancements as you can. also, when you use any weapons with sockets, socket citrines. i know it's tempting to socket patk/matk gems, but citrines will do MUCH more for you than a couple extra points of damage

    make sure you fill all sockets up with citrines, regardless of your level. you may say that it's expensive, but here's my response. common citrines add 20 hp, and cost ~15k[?] each. that's what i use as filler on items i wont keep long
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  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    In my opinion, having high VIT won't make any difference if wearing arcane armor. Without high physical defense, physical mobs can still kill you quickly, no matter how much hp you got.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Rainbowvidel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    In my opinion, having high VIT won't make any difference if wearing arcane armor. Without high physical defense, physical mobs can still kill you quickly, no matter how much hp you got.

    Also tired of people thinking HP is all. I'm pure mag with mostly Garnets. Vit is from min/ equips only. My mag def is covered by my high Mag/ arcane. Aside from phys/mag there is nothing, so I don't need all that HP. Even being pure Mag, I STILL have +mag equips for boss soloing / mag mobs.
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  • Korren - Lost City
    Korren - Lost City Posts: 339 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    well....thats the difference betwens PvP server and PvE server...
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Eh. PvP, or not, In my opinion, P-Def is actually more useful to shard, because HP is so much easier to get when you refine. Being Venos, we've probably got a stash of Mirages just chilling, (If you're a Veno that does TT) Pop a Mirage into each of your pieces of Armor, and boom. Instant HP. I shard Eva, and don't even have a problem surviving. Granted... The shiny MISS popping over my head doesn't hurt that... :) I'm going to be sharding my LA with Garnets in my TT99 Set, though. A set of 6 Ashura, which is what I want for the epic 6 piece bonus, give a massive ton of Eva, but not much P-Def. So, I'm improvising.

    Plus... While I'm on a PvE server, I do so love to PK. Haven't had a problem holding my own since I got ganked by those 9x Archers when I was 60.
  • Della_Brown - Heavens Tear
    Della_Brown - Heavens Tear Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    keep your gear at level. use the highest HP helm you can (i have all the quest reward HP helms in my bank, saved for when my str stat allows for upgrade)

    priorities for gear:
    #1 sockets (ALL SOCKETS ARE CITRINE GEMS)
    #2 +vit (each vit point adds 12[?] hp)
    #3 +hp (hp = LA veno's best friend)
    #4 +str (for equipping better hp helms)
    #5 +pdef/mdef (boosts to pdef/mdef are more helpful for LA than AA/HA)

    i cannot stress enough how important it is to get as many hp boosting shards/enhancements as you can. also, when you use any weapons with sockets, socket citrines. i know it's tempting to socket patk/matk gems, but citrines will do MUCH more for you than a couple extra points of damage

    make sure you fill all sockets up with citrines, regardless of your level. you may say that it's expensive, but here's my response. common citrines add 20 hp, and cost ~15k[?] each. that's what i use as filler on items i wont keep long
    Thanks. Adding a bunch of Vit to my robe (Della_Brown) has only been slowing her killing speed, not helping her survive, and socketing def pales in comparison to light armor several levels lower. If all goes well, this new char will inherit my beetle (not having to buy all those skills again should free up coin for sockets and such).
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Typical HP is all idiot: "you need at least 5000 HP to survive ***"

    Me: "I have a +9 vit hat which would give me 5000HP, but I'd have to remove my other hat that has +67HP, and Phys Resists of +361. I'm also Arcane / Pure Mage. Should I use the +9vit hat instead?

    Typical HP is all idiot: I don't know, but you need 5000 HP to survive.
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  • Alexeno - Sanctuary
    Alexeno - Sanctuary Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    tweakz wrote: »
    Typical HP is all idiot: "you need at least 5000 HP to survive ***"

    Me: "I have a +9 vit hat which would give me 5000HP, but I'd have to remove my other hat that has +67HP, and Phys Resists of +361. I'm also Arcane / Pure Mage. Should I use the +9vit hat instead?

    Typical HP is all idiot: I don't know, but you need 5000 HP to survive.

    +1

    i love when people do this b:laugh
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    *shrug* I like my VIT. I like my build. =) Just don't try to tell me mine's wrong and we'll be peachy. My veno does very good in some of the worst situations.
  • Alexeno - Sanctuary
    Alexeno - Sanctuary Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *shrug* I like my VIT. I like my build. =) Just don't try to tell me mine's wrong and we'll be peachy. My veno does very good in some of the worst situations.

    CLICK

    b:chuckle
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  • Shifong - Heavens Tear
    Shifong - Heavens Tear Posts: 409 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    keep your gear at level. use the highest HP helm you can (i have all the quest reward HP helms in my bank, saved for when my str stat allows for upgrade)

    priorities for gear:
    #1 sockets (ALL SOCKETS ARE CITRINE GEMS)
    #2 +vit (each vit point adds 12[?] hp)
    #3 +hp (hp = LA veno's best friend)
    #4 +str (for equipping better hp helms)
    #5 +pdef/mdef (boosts to pdef/mdef are more helpful for LA than AA/HA)

    i cannot stress enough how important it is to get as many hp boosting shards/enhancements as you can. also, when you use any weapons with sockets, socket citrines. i know it's tempting to socket patk/matk gems, but citrines will do MUCH more for you than a couple extra points of damage

    make sure you fill all sockets up with citrines, regardless of your level. you may say that it's expensive, but here's my response. common citrines add 20 hp, and cost ~15k[?] each. that's what i use as filler on items i wont keep long

    I'm a LA veno, and a complete citrine addict b:chuckle
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  • Alexeno - Sanctuary
    Alexeno - Sanctuary Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm a LA veno, and a complete citrine addict b:chuckle

    was going to post a funny picture here of kirby going zombie status on a citrine gem, but unfortunately the forum doesn't allow pictures in this zone b:surrender
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I hold up better than many of the LA Venos I know.
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    A lot of it has to do with playing your class properly, too <___<

    I've been in so many TTs, and FBs, and just plain soloing, where LA venos just die. A lot. And arcane venos die. A lot. And HA/AA venos die. A lot. It's a little embarassing. They make me look bad.

    Veno is without a doubt the most flexible class in terms of viable builds that there is. Period. Any class can wear any armor, but only veno can make viable builds with all 3 armors, and several different builds within each armor type, and they all work well.

    Do what works for you. I personally am shooting for 100 base vit. I'll have it by 80. I'll see where that puts my HP pool when I'm 90, and go from there. I socket solid, good garnet shards, and HP in cape and hat. I look for +magic and +p.def. mods on armors.
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  • LadyRatatosk - Dreamweaver
    LadyRatatosk - Dreamweaver Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    slimebubble wrote: »
    Here's my build so far,

    Vit: 50
    Str: Just enough to use next level weapon
    Dex: Base dex (i did not add any points here)
    Mag: All remaining points

    What I have now (Level 43)
    Vit: 50
    Str: 26
    Dex: 7
    Mag: 160+

    Something like that coz I've some additional points from equipts.

    My friends say that an arcane veno that likes to solo normally has about 100 vit (inclusive of Vit points on their armours). I'm happy with my damage so far, but I'm like a piece of soggy noodle when it comes to tanking.

    Any advice?

    Shouldn't the pets be doing the tanking anyway? b:question
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    There are situations when the Veno needs to tank. I do that often to save a cleric or mage from getting killed in a dungeon.

    We can also tank bosses when our pets are unable. Usually that means a magic boss like Krixxix or Suze, but in the higher levels a Veno can tank Jewelscalen (and probably Krimson with a fast enough purify). Jewels will take at least one cleric though.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Light Armor is a different story! Because your mag defense is lower with light armor: you would generally benefit more from Citrines than Garnets. In our cases where we are pure mag: our pdef is weak and ONLY our pdef is weak. If I add Citrines: I maintain a weak pdef while spending more and making it more costly / slower to fill HP. If I add Garnets: I balance the pdef and mdef and have almost the same survivability when faced with mag or phys. I also get a good bonus on pdef for Sage Fox.

    I wouldn't say the vit or LA build is wrong. I do believe it's more expensive to make it as empowering, especially if you are decomposing weapons for upgrades.
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    tweakz wrote: »
    I wouldn't say the vit or LA build is wrong. I do believe it's more expensive to make it as empowering, especially if you are decomposing weapons for upgrades.

    If I may, this implies you're refining weapons to gain HP?

    As someone stated (it's be stated by several people actually) is:
    VIT is a poor man's refine.

    One of the reasons I'm not planning on refining until 8x, and I successfully haven't, is because I have considerable vit statted. I DO notice a reduction in my healing power, and I've always known that my magic numbers are not as high as a veno who doesn't stat vit. But it's cheaper for me this way, and makes it easier to run TTs, etc, without having to worry about refining gear/paying a lot for it in order to survive AOEs.

    God love him, I miss bob though. Best cleric to run TT with. Just keep trucking. The man has 5 hotbars, 5 hands, and enough eyes to keep every squad member healed at just the proper moments. Come back and run TT with me bob. :(
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