This is why heavens tear is failing

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

I did mention apothecary pots, but what I meant somewhere in all of that text, is that charms are more reliable than pots. I guess with the pots you can choose when you want it to regen..my only complaint with charms is that it fills up at 75% instead of 50%..and also idk..with pots the cooldown's just kill me. In the time when I could wait until the timer has cooled down, I could be out killing x amount of mobs.

Whats your real lvl anyway because at lvl 20, i don't think you have to grind that much.

I like my BM avatar, so uhm... This is my LVL lol. I mainly use life powders, focus powders and dew of Rival protection (this one for AOE). So HP charm is pretty much useless since I regen a lot of HP already and for MP powder, I can just spam on for 10 minutes each

david12345 wrote: »

This has GOT to be the hardest lol on PWI Forums. but its so freaking true!

Now, i agree to all those who think that gold is insanely high, and according to the pic, JJ was the biggest gold price fail, with Anni Packs to stack.

I also agree to the awesome alternatives given here, because heres the
benefits of Apothecary Skill...

1) You dont have to buy pots, and its the easiest class to level.
2) The Apothecary Pots are much better, as they have great bonuses, like
invincibility ones, fast health regens, HP/MP Regen Buffs (Life Powders), -50% Channelling, and a great variety of others. The only one to REALLY defeat this is Jiaozi and Yuanaxiao (?).
3) Farming gives exp, so it can be a great alternative to grind.
4) Its good for cash making, but this is arguable. (i tend to succeed)

Now the disadvantages...

1) HIGHLY TIME CONSUMING. unless you buy the herbs (which is totally stupid. theyre all over the place)
2) There are level limits on certain herbs to farm and pots.

As you can see, Apothecary is probably the BEST money saving on pots, and can prove better than charms (i stopped charms when i got Apo lv4). IF you disagree, leave it to messages plz.

(to reiterate) Apothecary is worth the time because the Pots are much better than the basic one like Condensed Health Potion. for those who still want gold, get a job b:chuckle

Arron - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This has GOT to be the hardest lol on PWI Forums. but its so freaking true!

Now, i agree to all those who think that gold is insanely high, and according to the pic, JJ was the biggest gold price fail, with Anni Packs to stack.

I also agree to the awesome alternatives given here, because heres the
benefits of Apothecary Skill...

1) You dont have to buy pots, and its the easiest class to level.
2) The Apothecary Pots are much better, as they have great bonuses, like
invincibility ones, fast health regens, HP/MP Regen Buffs (Life Powders), -50% Channelling, and a great variety of others. The only one to REALLY defeat this is Jiaozi and Yuanaxiao (?).
3) Farming gives exp, so it can be a great alternative to grind.
4) Its good for cash making, but this is arguable. (i tend to succeed)

Now the disadvantages...

1) HIGHLY TIME CONSUMING. unless you buy the herbs (which is totally stupid. theyre all over the place)
2) There are level limits on certain herbs to farm and pots.

As you can see, Apothecary is probably the BEST money saving on pots, and can prove better than charms (i stopped charms when i got Apo lv4). IF you disagree, leave it to messages plz.

(to reiterate) Apothecary is worth the time because the Pots are much better than the basic one like Condensed Health Potion. for those who still want gold, get a job b:chuckle

HAHAHA DUDE NICE!b:chuckle

liljim wrote: »

Wow, still an Idiot. Im impressed that you can count to 3 though.

1)Never had a NEED to fill out a registration, still dont.

2)In the last 4 months, gold was never 400k.

3)I had no need to search through old topics to post what I wanted to say.

4)You must be racking up in AH these days or my comments wouldnt really bother you.

If you would read through EVERYONES opinion you would see that im not alone in my thoughts which is also why this post isnt on page one anymore. You are so bold to ask "what do you want from us?", do you really feel you speak for more than just yourself? Is it really up to you to protect pwi's good name with the commonwealth? If im just a repeat of everyone else's cries then why are you so compelled to keep replying?

In case you havent noticed Redmenace, this thread has now gone beyond my mere whining and has actually had other members offer viable solutions to a problem that the majority agree exist. It's ashame that actual pwi staff isnt here to discuss it but i guess they sent you in their place right? What do you bring to the table?

Interesting enough, my 1 "rant" with my "unregistered" image has created more thought, idea, suggestion and sensible debate than anything you've ever done.

So Mr Redmenace, you are hereby releaved of your obligation to reply to my simple repeated cry of desperation. I ask nothing of you nor do i expect you to answer on anyone else's behalf. You have accomplished nothing but to help keep my thread bumped up so i can at least thank you for that.

1) No, you don't *need* to. But it's helpful for the rest of *us*, to know what char you play, and what server you're on, to understand who you are and where you are.

That and *I* have my name on these messages. People who disagree with me can find me and argue with me in-game. My name is up there, which means I not afraid to stand behind my opinions. You choose to stick with "anonymous". That way, you don't ever have to deal with the consequences of your opinions.

2) Gold has been inflated for at least 4 months - even if it hasn't been at 400k, and if you look (which I know you won't) people were screaming cold bloody murder on *this* forum about how this was going to destroy this game, and how they were gonna leave right now unless someone fixed it. This is what my comment was referring to - this is not a new thought, and you are not the only one to say it.

But now that I've seen your follow up comments, I now believe you not only have the solution, but PWI is actually going to shut the servers down on your advice. I'm sure they've recognized the futility of saving this game, and already have plans to pack it in.

*If Only I Had Listened!*

3)So happy you were able to drop in *your* "ME TOO" before you left.

4) Wow. I guess you've caught me there. 16X posts in 6 months - I've really been trolling the forums and posting "hahaha lol" in every conversation, just to get my massive post count up. I SURRENDER!

I actually have read the other messages in this thread and agree with some of them. It's all academic though - we can sit here all day and create as many ways to solve World Hunger as we like, but that has no effect on PWI or what they do, or when they do it, nor do the Board of Directors of the company patiently filter through this message board looking for the solution to their problems.

This conversation is just as pointless as the 200 others before it, as is trying to apply some sense of perspective to people who *need* to whine.

But thank you for coming back, again and again, to the game you have quit, in order to respond to my messages, to lovingly tend to the Users Revolution you helped spawn, and to relieve my of my duty to make sense of the world.

You are truly a prince.

Toodles!

RedMenace

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You should do like me and hide in the lake down "a" route. My charms seem to last a long time in there b:chuckle

And I even seen him do a TT run with a barb without a HP charm while he was BBing and healing without a Mana Charm, including wurlord.... And nobody got killed.... Just took some planning before each boss.



I do TT runs 1-3 thourgh 2-3 all the time with a barb without HP charm and with Cleric without mana charm, and we kill every boss.... It just requires planning.

People that say you NEED the cash shop to do things in this game never bothered to really try without it.

calavera wrote: »

All you people bragging about how acomplished your gameplay is lemme ask, do you run your fbs with squads your own level? Did you have all of your TT gear as soon as you got to 70? Do you challenge yourselves doing higher level bosses/runs?

There's no denying Charms let you do more. The question is why some people consider them absolutely essential.

As you point out, you can challenge yourself by doing FBs at lower levels, or with lesser gear, or against higher level bosses. But that's no different than doing things without Charms.

My only experience being Charmless is way back in FB19, where my girlfriend and I did FB19 at level 24. We died right at the end, and it's probably true that two charmless noobs, who didn't know what they were doing (like not knowing you could pull 1 mob at a time and so having to take on 3 at once), probably could have succeeded if we had just had Charms.

But then again, having 6 people instead of 2 would have been even better, so Charms weren't essential there either.

Nowadays I always have a Charm, but I do everything I can to prevent it from triggering. If it was up to me I'd actually prefer if the game did not have Charms at all, because they do seem like their main design purpose is to be a PvP money sink, or a PvE poor-play-enabling money-sink. But since they're in the game I might as well make use of them.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

There's no denying Charms let you do more. The question is why some people consider them absolutely essential.

As you point out, you can challenge yourself by doing FBs at lower levels, or with lesser gear, or against higher level bosses. But that's no different than doing things without Charms.

My only experience being Charmless is way back in FB19, where my girlfriend and I did FB19 at level 24. We died right at the end, and it's probably true that two charmless noobs, who didn't know what they were doing (like not knowing you could pull 1 mob at a time and so having to take on 3 at once), probably could have succeeded if we had just had Charms.

But then again, having 6 people instead of 2 would have been even better, so Charms weren't essential there either.

Nowadays I always have a Charm, but I do everything I can to prevent it from triggering. If it was up to me I'd actually prefer if the game did not have Charms at all, because they do seem like their main design purpose is to be a PvP money sink, or a PvE poor-play-enabling money-sink. But since they're in the game I might as well make use of them.

Come on man, you're smarter than that. What i meant to say is that if you're willing to miss a large part of the game's content (like PvP) yes, then you can say you can "play" without gold, although i don't really see the fun in doing nothing but grinding... And don't take it personal if i say i don't care for people who brag about the ways they've found to deal with higher gold prices, even you admit its affected you and by your own admission you're good at buying/reselling "playing the market" your average player isn't. People have to both give up on perks like fashion or mounts and grind/farm 2-3 times longer just to keep up. The irony is now that you can level at a much faster pace you'll be broke most of the time. New players may not know any better but we do.

Time is the most valuable of all resources you can put in this game and for people that don't charge zen the amount of time they must spend on dull tasks has now become ridiculous. Yes, you can do a lot of things without charms or good gear but the extra 20-40 mins you'll need to find a "mature" squad adds on top of that. You'll now be missing half of the game's content, spend more than half of your logged on time bored and even if you manage to somehow cope, you know that good gear and fun stuff like TW is out of your reach.

I do remember a time when charging $30 a month was more than enough to have everything you wanted, not anymore. Ofc people that haven't charged a dime in this game don't mind about price hikes, apparently they don't even mind that they get pwned by people who haven't played longer than weeks... guess what? You're all customers! You all deserve a fair chance, regardless of wether you put in money or not. Games are about skill and fun, not putting in enough logged in time that this becomes a second job, just so a few players can use you a target practice or look down on you as noobish cuz every single goal you could work at they get handed down. geez...

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let me answer those:
TT runs with the charmless cleric and barb: I use a scorpion with debuffs, it is a far better DD than the herc, and it lets me DD on top of it as well. Herc is not the best DD debuffer pet in game...... For general physical mobs inside I use a golem, since it holds aggro much better, and for magic ones I use the herc. For bosses with strong AOEs I use the herc as well, so I do not have to keep reviving the scorpion/golem. Some bosses, if the barb wants to save on repairs, and if we are not in hurry, we have the herc tank them, but if it is a speed run, other pets are used for the majority of the killings.
TWs: Sawfly is doing ok in TWs, I end up with about 1-1 kill ratios. In TWs, I use my fly to kill the phoenixes as I debuff the players, my role is as a debuffer in the squads I play (I have maxed out debuffs), so fly is doing great. The ocasional veno that decides to res her phoenix in from of me goes down nicely to the sawfly. With other players within the same level range, it is pretty close and it can go either way. (exception is HA venos.. but those are just a all around pain in the tush).
Dragon Temple I use a plumfish now, used to use a turtle. I die and I kill, not a big deal.

I respect that you use a fly for TW as it can be very efective, but it's really not a nix is it? FACT; Not the best pet you could have. Scorp is, for the purpose that you use it for, i'll grant you that. With all due respect, venos have no need for charms unless they PvP (Do you TW without charms?) so unless you have an alt in any other class you really wouldn't know. If you go back to read my posts (i really don't feel like repeating myself) my point was not that you couldn't do without charms, but that a large part of the content would be missed without CS items. If you play with a good enough squad that you can handle TT 2-x uncharmed, now imagine what you could do if you had them.

If you do Dragon Temple on a regular basis chances are your plump fish has maxed flesh ream. It's called being competitive. You wouldn't give up a gameplay advantage if you had one, would you? You amp and spark when the cooldown is up. I wasn't so much comenting on your personal style of play but making a point. I wouldn't believe you if you told me no one in your faction has ever suggested you should get a phoenix. If you told me you've never been rejected by a squad for not having an herc it just means you only squad with your friends. Do I agree with such attitudes? NO. Best venos i've met are the ones that don't use legendary pets, they usually go out of their way to get the job done instead of just healing their pet/throwing random scarabs.

If your point is gold prices don't affect you, i'm sorry but i disagree, they very much matter. And handing free xp, endgame gear and whatever other whatnot to CS users matters as well. Interested in FC runs? probly won't get to do more than one or two the way things stand now. RB? charmless and without an herc? Your friends really must like you...

calavera wrote: »

If you play with a good enough squad that you can handle TT 2-x uncharmed, now imagine what you could do if you had them.

I understand where you're coming from, and it reminds me of a disagreement I had with a faction mate-regarding playing styles.

He believed in a constant focus on leveling, because by his logic it meant he could get to the fun stuff faster. I have no problem with that, except when he would try to pressure me to play like him.

My personal feeling is that in these kinds of game you never actually make progress. Every time you get a bit stronger the game just gets a bit tougher. So that's why I'm not in any hurry, because it's a never-ending treadmill that only offers an illusion of progress.

Granted, that means I've already conceded I'm not going to be a top PvP player, but that's OK to me because I don't have the time to dedicate to that goal anyway. In the meantime, I enjoy that fact that much higher level players keep trying, and failing, to ambush and kill me. Yes, I admit they're better than me, but it's kinda fun to be an under-dog, even if a "victory" for me means simply surviving. That's a segment of the game's content that my friend is missing out, but I suppose to each his own.

If you had read my post you would see I was talking about TW. TW is not pk because there are no monsters and no distractions.

calavera wrote: »

LOL i c, would you at least grant me most mortals wouldn't TW without charms? I know it may come off a bit sarcastic but really, you have an absolutely unique way of playing...

I've always said it. The BEST way to learn how to play your class well is to NOT use your advantages and find out how to survive/win anyway. My bird does not have flesh ream, I don't use charms, I often pvp/TW petless and I've been known to tank high level bosses in foxform including the debuffer in frost and general wurlord in TT 2-3. Yeah wurlord killed me (of course) but I held him off long enough for the tank to get a res.

That is what makes me so tough in the game.