This is why heavens tear is failing

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

However, it's when people claim that everybody is quitting, or that only idiots pay the high prices, or that it's impossible to play for free anymore, or that everybody who is doing well is a cash-shopper, etc..., etc... that I get sick of the whining.

Amen, just like the sig says.

kaboro wrote: »

Im not rich at all and im not a veno either.
The problem with these stupid cash shop games (all of them) is that at some point you will have to either spend a lot of game time to obtain game coin, or spend real money in the cash shop....or both.
This is not gold sellers fault, this is not my fault and not your fault, thats how these games are designed to work.
If you think that these games are designed so you can play for free and have all you want then its time to grow up.
Yes a select few players can play for free and have all they want even at the actual gold prices, but for the casual player thats impossible.

What bothers me is the fact that players accuse each other when in fact its the game system thats bad, because one way or another this game has become too expensive to play.

The thing is, the game ISN'T expensive at all!! You sign up, you download, and you get to play whenever you want, for as long as you want. The problem with the game (for players) is the Cash Shop. The solution: You don't HAVE to use it. People do so as a choice, to get ahead in the game, or to have the fashion items, or to have something you don't NEED. I don't use the Cash Shop because I don't have the money to. (I have a 2 year old and another on the way.) Would I like to have some fashion items or the newest & coolest mounts? Absolutely, because it's entertainment for me, it's my escape from the real world troubles. Am I going to spend a small fortune getting it, or am I going to work harder in game to get it? I'll work for it, but when it becomes THIS outrageously priced.. I'll just play the game, by myself, with my crappy armor, and my lack of money for my new skills.

The makers of the game knew what they were doing really. They made a game to make money. You need money to survive. And how else do you make more money than anyone else?? You make a game with all kinds of items that get people's attention, EVERYONE's attention. You make it hard to get the items by just playing, so eventually the people who don't spend money will give in and start spending money, just so they can have that item. The more people crave something (mounts for example), the more willing they are to pay money for it. Real money.

Even in my, so far, short life, I have learned to have respect for those who work for a living, I know the value of a dollar, and knowing that, if there is something I want, in game or not, I am just going to work harder for it. WORK.. not pay. I'm one of those people that gets satisfaction from working for something. If I'm sitting around spending money to get what I want.. there's no point to it. Money is hard to come by, in life and in game. It's the only biggest problem with this game. NO ONE works for what they have. In game I mean. The makers designed this game so you could practically NOT work for what you have, you would HAVE to spend money to get what you want.

It's just business though. They made this game to make money, and that's exactly what they are doing, making money. The thing everyone should know and remember, you don't NEED any of that ****. First of all, it's fake, and if ever they shut this game down, you spent money for what....? A few months of entertainment? Second, getting somewhere on the game gets you no where in life. Unless of course you want to be a game designer of some sort and are learning about the game.

Those of you complaining, go ahead and keep doing so. People will read and listen, but complaining about it isn't going to change anything. Those of you telling them to shut up because you don't want to hear it, keep it up too, they will listen, but it's not going to stop them from complaining. It's just a big circle of nothingness. You say, "It sucks." They say, "Who cares." Then you both end up telling each other to shut up for hours or days on end.


The biggest fix to this game: Pay per month, which would require HUGE changes that would cause the game to be down for months on end to fix. There is no fix, no solution, nothing completely to change how people feel about the game. Just play a game where you pay per month, you will be spending less, there may not be the greatest cool stuff on that one, but it's cheaper (depending on how you spend money), and there is no problem with people over charging things. For the most part.

It's just business though. They made this game to make money, and that's exactly what they are doing, making money. The thing everyone should know and remember, you don't NEED any of that ****.

...Unless you're a Barbarian that doesn't want to utterly fail at well, everything.
...Unless you're a Cleric, and want to actually keep your party healed (though this one has some alternatives).
...Unless you're a Wizard and don't want to stand around doing nothing for 75% of a boss fight.

The first in this list being most important. There's no substitutes at all for hp charms. Without charms some content just isn't doable really, such as frost at the levels it opens up and you're given quests in there, or any pvp content, or a few other assorted fights. GA's are pretty much required on pvp servers as well. You can say you don't need any of the stuff, but some items are very much needed just to leave town, other items are needed to actually participate in content.

exent wrote: »

Dying once in a while doesn't make you fail. Whinning about it all the time does.

As does not taking any chances out of fear of dying. Means you can't learn your character very well either.

exent wrote: »

There is no ''need'' for any of the boutique **** (including charms). Learn to play your class properly and get some good teammates and you can do ALMOST everything in the game.

And one last thing, not being the best player at your class and level doesn't make you fail. Dying once in a while doesn't make you fail. Whinning about it all the time does.

Exactly!! I mostly play by myself (or with my sister, brother-in-law and brothers) because I don't exactly know how to play my character as well as I could. Still learning. This is the first fighter class I have played other than Rogue on other games. And I know rogues are MUCH different than blademasters or warriors or anything like that.

You don't NEED it.. seriously! It's JUST A GAME! That's a point that should be made to every person who wants to play any online game. It is JUST A GAME! It doesn't count for anything in life, at all. What are you going to put on your resume..? "Successful Wizard of Level 95, willing to spend hard earned money or ALL my time in life playing a video game." Seriously? lol.

Not having those items helps teach you how to play that character. The only time I have ever used charms is when it was free. I don't buy them at all. I do really well also. I'm not a perfect player, and no one else is either. Does it help to have those items? Yeah, but you still don't NEED them. Doesn't mean you can't be successful. And once again, it counts for nothing in life, and I'm sorry to say, life is MUCH more important.

Yinaru - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The thing everyone should know and remember, you don't NEED any of that ****. First of all, it's fake, and if ever they shut this game down, you spent money for what....? A few months of entertainment? Second, getting somewhere on the game gets you no where in life. Unless of course you want to be a game designer of some sort and are learning about the game.

QFT. Can't agree more.

Sad enough, I agree. Yet you will not be able to bring those prices much lower during the anni-month. Friend of me is getting pretty rich due to that price inflation here on HL. He buys a lot of gold at 420k (there is times when it's that low) then waits until prices go up to 450k~ to buy and 510k~ to sell. He puts a "buy 1 gold" at 480k and 490k to trick people and sells the large amount he bought before for 500k. So far it always worked for him b:surrender

1. Nothing in the boutique is "vital" every last bit of it can be done without. period. the only one who "needs" a charm is a cleric doing BB in TT. But I'm pretty sure you can swap that out with at least one other cleric to alternate BB turns with and fill back up on mana while the other cleric is running her BB down. There are quiet certainly other ways of doing things than to have a charmed cleric. Sure it TW's an HP charm is nice to keep your Barb alive longer, but... perhaps it would bring about a definite change in strategy if no one wore one at all. On my level 70 veno, the only charms I ever wore were the ones that were rewards from quests. Every last bit of CS items is a hand holder or frilly nilly totally unnecssary just for looks item. BUT.. people dont NEED them, they WANT THEM. And that is why people will continue to pay for gold.

2. Gold (and catshop) prices are high not just because of sales - the server is growing older now and certain factions have a stranglehold on half or more of the TW map = loads of coin flooding in each week, doing nothing but getting passed from player to player. Its no surprise that the players who have that grip on the income of coin can drop that coin on gold and other items like it was nothing, because to them it really IS nothing.

If you guys want a "coin sink" to try to bring prices back down, reset all TW maps, bump the intensity of reaqcuiring those lands up to a more difficult level. Theres some lands that have yet to be claimed on Dreamweaver, most likely because its too hard for Calamity right now. Perhaps the neaxt round of unclaimed TW should start there as a baseline. Afterwards, cut the TW payoff return by about half.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1. Nothing in the boutique is "vital" every last bit of it can be done without. period. the only one who "needs" a charm is a cleric doing BB in TT. But I'm pretty sure you can swap that out with at least one other cleric to alternate BB turns with and fill back up on mana while the other cleric is running her BB down. There are quiet certainly other ways of doing things than to have a charmed cleric. Sure it TW's an HP charm is nice to keep your Barb alive longer, but... perhaps it would bring about a definite change in strategy if no one wore one at all. On my level 70 veno, the only charms I ever wore were the ones that were rewards from quests. Every last bit of CS items is a hand holder or frilly nilly totally unnecssary just for looks item. BUT.. people dont NEED them, they WANT THEM. And that is why people will continue to pay for gold.

2. Gold (and catshop) prices are high not just because of sales - the server is growing older now and certain factions have a stranglehold on half or more of the TW map = loads of coin flooding in each week, doing nothing but getting passed from player to player. Its no surprise that the players who have that grip on the income of coin can drop that coin on gold and other items like it was nothing, because to them it really IS nothing.

If you guys want a "coin sink" to try to bring prices back down, reset all TW maps, bump the intensity of reaqcuiring those lands up to a more difficult level. Theres some lands that have yet to be claimed on Dreamweaver, most likely because its too hard for Calamity right now. Perhaps the neaxt round of unclaimed TW should start there as a baseline. Afterwards, cut the TW payoff return by about half.

1. Of course the CS items are not vital to play the game. The stuff just makes it easier to play and to be on equal standing with other CS players.

2. True. Factions with a 200 million coin income can do whatever they please. Plus there is a high amount of greed in this game making it no fun to play at all for other players. Plus I highly doubt the Dev's will reset the maps as long as there are at least two factions on a TW map. My guess is they will not reset until one or all TW maps have 1 faction ruling over all.

I would say that CS items arent vital to play this game, but they are pretty important. Like the Charm example, as you get into higher levels and start grinding more, it is vital to have a charm if you want to get the most out of your session. I've tried with only using pots, and it sucks, esp being an archer. Of course the pvp aspect too but thats noticeable. Pots just don't cut it, unless you have a million sesame thing's or if you make apothecary pots which have like a 3 minute or w/e cooldown. Clerics need at least a mp charm if they want to do HH, barbs and bm's need them for their skills (I cannot tell you how many people I heard complain about mp usage), archers need them for our skills even with the mp regen, wizards need them. I have a veno and that is the only class that I would never buy a mp or hp heiro because of the two skills that they have, unless I wanted to pvp or TW.

Other cs item's, Mount, You don't really need one since everyone gets a flying one at lvl 30 but like you said, not vital, but is pretty important esp when you start doing your wq. I personally don't really see a use for land mounts except for racing to build towers in TW, or the Snake Isle race.


About the TW thing, it would be a coin sink. You need towers, total of 16 towers on all of the lanes (+ counting base towers) I think they are 20k each to build one? I could be wrong, haven't checked in a while. You need heiros, I cant see a way you can win a tw without one unless you use the seasme things but not everyone has them. You also need cata scrolls, 20k each if i remember correctly(next tw ill edit this). Keep in mind, this is 1 tw, you cant rebuild towers but you do go through a lot of cata's depending on how long the war is. This money will usually be coming from the leader, but in my lower level guilds, I remember the guild leader would ask for donations so they could bid. Bidding is 500k, then sometimes you have bidding wars, highest Ive seen was 16 mil from Pandora -_-. So yeah, tw is deff a coin sink, i guess only if you dont have any land to start off with. And yeah, the guilds with the most land can just sit back and rake it all in. But now I think people who aren't cash shopping, and just buying gold from the auction house are 'sinking their money' in it, thus raising the price/demand of gold.


I guess resetting the TW maps will lower the price of gold since more people will, hopefully, save their coin and use it for TWing. But that wont last because a new item in the CS will come out or some new event will start. And yeah, maybe the income from land should be lowered to try and keep the prices down for things, I doubt that will happen though.


Wow...I wrote a lot..b:sweatb:surprised

calavera wrote: »

You can get rich farming/grinding? Rich? LMAO If by "some effort" you mean putting in 6-8 hrs a day...

My friend farms 400k per hour normally, so an hour a day is more than enough for him to be "rich" (by his standards). I realize it's not exactly the most intellectually exciting thing to do, which is why I prefer to run around price-shopping and merchanting for my income instead.

But that's the nature of F2P. If there's not some sort of time/effort/investment required to raise coin, then the coins are worthless. I suspect we've all played games where the actual currency isn't usable, because everybody is overloaded with stacks of it without putting in any extra effort.

calavera wrote: »

Spend money here and anything you buy will be worthless in a few months cuz the way their current model works is they care more about atracting new players than keeping those of us who've been here from the start. Yea, have fun leveling up just to find out i'm right.

Here's something we can agree on. My girlfriend and I realized this about 6 months in, and at first it's kinda disheartening, but once you realize it's true it's not hard to adjust. For example, I ride around on a regular old Panther, because there's no such thing as a "rare" mount. PWI doesn't treat anything as rare, except insofar as saying, "New! Rare item now available in cash-shop for a limited time only!" every 4-6 months.

So anything I do is probably going to be twice as easy to do in 6 months, due to rule changes/sales/events/whatever. It's annoying, but oh well, I'm still having fun playing.

ok OP, you're new, let's fill you in on what happened with gold. sellers used to sell gold at 100k-150k because buyers wouldn't buy gold for anything more. 20 gold mounts for 3 mil or so was fairly reasonable (and consistent with the price of in game mounts). i don't think any cash shopper thought it was a ripoff, otherwise the forums would probably be flooded with complaints. you are apparently the first one to think so.

gold prices went up because of sale after sale that were only available in the boutique; this made people with a lot of coin to spend buy gold at higher and higher prices. it is partially developer's fault for gold being 200k+ because they put in 1mil coin boxes that required 5 gold to open.

then came anniversary packs, for the price of 1 gold, you could win extremely ridiculous prizes from the packs. this brought gold to the price it is today. It is player demand for gold and developer releases and sales that brought the price of gold up, not sellers who decide that "we are getting ripped off".

as for the "you are all cheapasses and want gold cheap so don't complain" people:
let's get something straight: the game is advertised as f2p. people dont come into a f2p game and just start paying money. they decide that they like the game and then spend something for themselves. i mean, every cash shopper started out that way too no? you came into the game and just decided to +7 your wep to feel uber cool in front of the newbies? let's realize that it's the f2p players that turn into cash shoppers eventually, if they feel it's worth it. they're not cheap asses, they're not bums that need jobs, they just feel like the game isn't worth spending money on because everything you work for, the time you put into the game, gets violated by cash shop releases. whether that's true or not is arguable, and you're free to argue about that, but there shouldn't be f2p vs p2p fights in this forum. that's ****ed up. just like it's stupid for people to make comments about someone who spends their money in this game, it's also **** to show disdain for people who choose not to spend money in this game.

and for the record: there are classes that need charms to play the game, if you want to be in any group event like TT, RB, zhen, some FBs, etc at all. pots just dont cut it at later levels because pots higher than condensed health/mystery are not available for sale at normal apoc npcs, only mob drops and tw will get you higher level pots. mana pots of any level has never cut it for wizard/cleric, their pool is just too large. so for the people who don't get why charms are necessary, that's some explanation for why these players with high level accounts are saying otherwise. no barbs who run TT with health charms are not fail, no archers who run RB with both charms don't necessarily need to learn their class, etc etc etc. of course, we're not even talking about pvp. that's a whole different level of spending and charm/GA burning that i'll never experience.

as for caroline, i think tw's can be more of a gold drain than a coin drain, because of the charms involved in longer fights.

@ Coraline, apoth is way better than charms, ever heard of MP regen powders? I never relied on charms unless I tank tough bosses without clerics... Its not really nessessary to use them.

@ Warrenwolf, you are right, I made good amounts of coins easily even as a barbarian.

@ the OP and the QQers
You can get 400 coins from buying real gold... As the prices from coins go up, the more people buy with real money, the lower the gold prices. Like I said b:chuckle QQ moar... Or better yet? I am very sure your rotten spoiled teens that want to cheat out of the system... So go back stealing your parent's money on a p2p game thats epic fail xD

@ david, I LOLed at that

You just me me pee to death b:angry

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@ Coraline, apoth is way better than charms, ever heard of MP regen powders? I never relied on charms unless I tank tough bosses without clerics... Its not really nessessary to use them.

I did mention apothecary pots, but what I meant somewhere in all of that text, is that charms are more reliable than pots. I guess with the pots you can choose when you want it to regen..my only complaint with charms is that it fills up at 75% instead of 50%..and also idk..with pots the cooldown's just kill me. In the time when I could wait until the timer has cooled down, I could be out killing x amount of mobs.

Whats your real lvl anyway because at lvl 20, i don't think you have to grind that much.


@Quilue : yeah the charm price is taken into account..but most time a tw is, is for 3 hours, I've had weekends where we would have at least 2 full 3 hour tw, and yes the charms go out so quickly..I dont even want to know what the cata parties(barbs) went though. About midway through, a good number of member ran out of charms and were rushing to buy some. But anyway, 3 hour tw's are rare now on this server(Lost City). Usually the tw ends in about an 1hour and a half or less, but idk about your server. My charm(full) only goes down maybe 100k or 200k(idk about the barbs). But yeah, I guess depending on who is fighting it could vary on how much charms are being used.