Thanks for pushing up Gold prices... AGAIN

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

What's your real character? I must pk him...b:faint

you should do a search on my comments regarding PVP in PWI some time. I'm not going to repeat them b:chuckle

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Yeah, it's better that way because the game actually presents a challenge. If you walked around all the time in GM mode the game is boring.

The concern is not how easy/hard the game is. It's the GM ( sales decision ) which drastically change the established game environment in a negative way. The gold is now worth more coins. Therefor the amount of effort you had planned to get a mount(any item from gold) by farming coins is now re-increased because the GM introduced a sales/events which driven the price of gold really high.

Amehlea - Sanctuary wrote: »

NONONONO the answer is for 1 noble power seller to make the way
only one or how about a Guild ? what if a guild of 30 buy 30 gold each.all 30 AH at the norm prices. restoring old prices over powering by a large amount of gold sell all the other sellers. so the prices would have no other options but to drop or the other sellers wont sell untill they match the power selling guild Gold prices or sell even a lower price

That's what i call a easy solution! TO BAD HUBBY LOST JOB or i would run this economic fight!

and leave me alone with my typos i dont care what you have to say if you dont like it go fly a kite or something!

That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. There's no way I am wasting my hard earned money like that. I hope gold prices increase! Then I can sell my RL money in the AH and become a virtual millionaire! mwahahaha!

Actually, I've played an MMO where not only can you not trade cash shop items, you can give them as gifts, but trading them for ingame currency is strictly forbotten, but also the items from the cash shop only last for three months. You buy a dragon pet? Super, it'll follow you for three months, and then revert to a doll, and you'll have to pay more cash to buy the water of life and revive it. Bought a kickbutt outfit? Again three months, then it vanishes and you have to buy it again. That game is one of the most well known free to play MMO games on the net.

No like,
No buy.
No work,
No gain.

This whole thread reminds me of this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/health.healthandwellbeing

fat pple blaming and sueing mcdonalds for the fat choices they made >>;

Is it true that on..... a different version , gold charms cost roughly 40 cents each?

Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »

No offense, but it's funny how everyone suggests that people spend their real life money to help the rest of the players get CS items cheaper then immediately follow it with something like "well I would myself, but.......<insert excuse>"

I'm calling BS here. I'll assume you're the kind that sits there and says "Sell me Gold Charm for 400k. Please. Why not. I want a charm. Sell to me for 400k. It's all I have......" on a server where it goes cheapest at 500k-550k. CS players spend RL money for their own enjoyment. Not for other random strangers. Sorry to say it, but that's how the world works. If you feel so strongly about it by all means go out and start buying cars and selling them far below the market value. I'm in the market for a new ride and I'd like to have your efforts subsidize my purchase.

Seriously. It's not up to the players to bring down the price of gold. They are following economic trends set in place long before any of us were even born. It's up to the game devs and GMs to monitor the game and make sure it's healthy.

**** you bifg time jerk i know you are refering to me mu husband di losse his job befor he lost he jobs we used to charge zen here and there so bite me you meanie greedy bug

Amehlea - Sanctuary wrote: »

**** you bifg time jerk i know you are refering to me mu husband di losse his job befor he lost he jobs we used to charge zen here and there so bite me you meanie greedy bug

ahahahhahahahah

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You can buy items in-game as well. What sets PW aside is the in-game gold auction, and that is a privilege, since they did not have to do it, and still be very popular by allowing most items to be traded in-game.
In this game it is ridiculously easy to get cash shop items in-game. Most games usualy have a series of very powerful items that are available in cash shop only, and bind to the buyer. Not in PWI.

You see, the problem is not people wanting to sell gold at high prices, the problem is people actualy wanting to buy the gold at those high prices.

Once and for all, stop blamming the sellers, and put the blame where it resides, on the shoulders of the buyers. People that refuse to use RL money to buy gold, and instead grind for 14 hours a day, than are willing to pay extra to get that gold now, instead of waiting a day or two. The sellers will only meet the price that the buyer is willing to buy the gold at. And if the seller does not want to sell, than there is no effect, as long as the buyer also refuses to buy for higher prices. If the buyer wants to pay more, ofcourse the seller will glady sell for more.

If someone comes to you and asks if you want to buy a perfect Citrine for 1mill, will you say sure, or will you argue with him that it is too low of a price, and give him extra money?
If someone comes to you and asks if you want to buy a rough citrine for 1million, are you going to buy it? The buyer has all the power with the in-game economy.

I can give you 3 fairly popular games off the top of my head that allow cash shop items and currency trading,pw aren't being nice by allowing it,its good buisness sense...and its nothing new.

And it isn't as simple as the buyers fault for gold price,you saying the gm's constant fiddling in the pricing of ingame items and availabilities,constant sales,attempted price fixing(which worked very well at keeping gold on the high end)has nothing to do with gold prices?Wise up.

Its annoying and ignorant when you people keep reverting to your old "oh its all on the buyer they can push gold down if they want too"

just a question, isnt it this way?

gold existance= ppl sell it to get easy money

gold prices go up= ppl sell the half gold for the same money = they need to buy less gold

gold prices keep going up= ppl dont need to buy as much gold anymore cus they get more money per gold

so, gold prices is inverse relationed with quantity of gold bough??

umm maybe im wrong but that makes sense for ME


EDIT: if you want gold prices down, dont buy till its down, done, you just been part of the ECONOMY

Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »

No offense, but it's funny how everyone suggests that people spend their real life money to help the rest of the players get CS items cheaper then immediately follow it with something like "well I would myself, but.......<insert excuse>"

I'm calling BS here. I'll assume you're the kind that sits there and says "Sell me Gold Charm for 400k. Please. Why not. I want a charm. Sell to me for 400k. It's all I have......" on a server where it goes cheapest at 500k-550k. CS players spend RL money for their own enjoyment. Not for other random strangers. Sorry to say it, but that's how the world works. If you feel so strongly about it by all means go out and start buying cars and selling them far below the market value. I'm in the market for a new ride and I'd like to have your efforts subsidize my purchase.

Seriously. It's not up to the players to bring down the price of gold. They are following economic trends set in place long before any of us were even born. It's up to the game devs and GMs to monitor the game and make sure it's healthy.

Yeah I been getting whispered by a few to sell my wings for cheap and they cost me 50 gold.I would say there needs to a hold on big ticket items and stick to clothing and dye sales.

The price will never drop, you are never going to get enough buyers refusing to pay 180K....

The 1 million coin boxes set a kind of elastic minimum of 200K per gold. As gold drops below 200K demand increases as coin boxes go into profit. By 180K demand soaks up all supply. So if you want gold for other things you need to offer more than the cubers do, which is why we see prices over 200K and never too far below.

Centetric - Lost City wrote: »

(as a gold seller) no offense but the prices are set by the gold sellers. we are technically givin u the stuff for free
-_- . plz stop QQ about this.

As a Gold buyer, I agree with this sentiment. The Gold sellers deserve every virtual penny they get, because they are spending real-life money while I'm just spending what are essentially just some points I scored in a video game.

For all the talk of greed, I notice most people won't admit their own greed. It's just as greedy to want a lower price for what you're buying as it is to want a higher price for what you're selling.

Centetric - Lost City wrote: »

to just finish this. the prices are set by the players(as quoted by a GM in a earlier thread) not by the sales but the players(end of story.

Well, yes and no. Players have influence over the prices, but PWI can change rules that will also influence those prices. Arguing that only one particular party is solely responsible is just over-simplifying things.

For example, if PWI decided tomorrow that $1 = 2 Gold, in-game Gold prices would drop because the supply of Gold would more than double instantly.

By contrast, the coin boxes were a new rule that created more demand, and hence Gold prices rose.

It's just foolish to say that the gold prices are set by the seller and the seller only. If the sellers all asked for 900k for 1 gold and no one bought what would happen? The sellers would lower the price until a medium is reached where the seller and buyer both agree on a price. So the buyer also has some power in this equation that cannot be forgotten.

It's different then a RL economy in that the seller controls the flow in which they purchase gold so if they choose not to they don't need to exceed their own personal needs if they don't want to. Also it's a currency that the seller is essentially printing as opposed to a true product. By this I mean that it's not like the seller is producing TVs and can only personally use so many of them so being left with extra stock in the Warehouse forces them to lower the price to move goods. In PWI picture like if you bought 10 mounts. You could only use 1 or 2 yourself so you'd need to make room in your bank and sell lower then you want. Since they're selling gold though it's different. The seller can consume teh gold in several ways themself or sell.

But what does this all boil down to (broken record)? For you kiddies who want to play along on the guessing game......supply and demand. There's no way around it. It doesn't matter if it's a RL economy or a gaming economy it is the foundation of commerce. It's like the rules of friggen gravity.

I think the only positive step the GMs have taken in trying to lower the Gold Price is to offer the zhen sales. Usually sellers will purchase more gold and increase the supply in the game. This would work, except for the fact that they continue to have these sales and new releases which spike demand. So they offset each other. If the GMs had a drought of Cash shop releases and sales AND had a zhen sale I think we'd see a decent drop in gold prices. The demand would be low because nothing new would come out, however the sellers would buy gold because it is a rare opportunity to get cheap gold so the supply would be high. If nothing new was coming out the sellers would just be sitting on their gold with no cash shop items to buy, but since they'd need coin for skills, gear, etc they would still have a need to sell gold. Since no one is interested AS MUCH in cash shop items (there will always be some interest) the price of gold will drop. PWI still wins because they don't care if you actually buy CS items. They make no money in that. The zhen sale though is what motivates the sellers and cash shop users to buy. That's how they make their money.

Plain and simple. Supply and demand. Argue all you want, but that would be the easiest and fastest way to "fix" the economy. Of don't do it. I'm a zhen buyer so high gold prices only benefit me. I'm just trying to suggest a solution where a happy medium is met.