The Battle Cleric build by Ahira

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Hey everyone! Well I've already told alot of people I'd make some sort of guide probably just before I quit the game. Hehe well i'm not quitting just yet but with the new term starting soon I think I will be a lot less active so thought I'd better write one now while I still have the time. b:chuckle

I'm sorry it is a bit long and it only covers the build aspects for clerics. I decided not to go into skills/tactics etc because there are already a lot of very good guides and forum threads covering those.

Anyways give it a read and if you have any feedback/comments be sure to post- I'd love the hear them, good or bad! b:thanks

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OMHARS3O

(This is a first draft so i'll probably make a few changes or correct mistakes if you point them out to me- ty! ^_^)

Frijolero - Sanctuary · August 2009

I made a quick look on the document and looks all the builds shown on the images have a flaw. you see the red numbers next to the stats? that means you're short on point to wear a certain equipment.

I made the sum and all the stat point are correct for the lvl you're showing (405 for lvl 78), so I guess the picture is not showing the correct stat distribution for the build you're explaining.

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

I made a quick look on the document and looks all the builds shown on the images have a flaw. you see the red numbers next to the stats? that means you're short on point to wear a certain equipment.

I made the sum and all the stat point are correct for the lvl you're showing (405 for lvl 78), so I guess the picture is not showing the correct stat distribution for the build you're explaining.

o_O?

Red numbers next to attribute points indicate the additional bonus points gained through equipment- if thats what you're talking about?

Lennson - Heavens Tear · August 2009

The only serious concern with unique builds is that they are unstable.

What I mean by this is that while they may excel at certain levels with certain equipment they tend to have great difficulty at others due to the issue of finding equipment that will make the build work.

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Lennson - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only serious concern with unique builds is that they are unstable.

What I mean by this is that while they may excel at certain levels with certain equipment they tend to have great difficulty at others due to the issue of finding equipment that will make the build work.

I agree and I did mention this several times in the guide. Thats why i recommended it to lvl8x and above. That's when some HA molds become accessible so should make it easier to obtain. The type of accessories i've used in the build examples are quite readily available though.

But the point about stability is a good one as the build is equipment dependant. I believe this is offset by the various stages the Battle Cleric build can be taken to. Even if you dont move forward from the Arcane Battle cleric stage where only a Helm is equiped- that in itself can still be beneficial.

sorbik · August 2009

"battle" cleric

Next.

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

sorbik wrote: »

"battle" cleric

Next.

QQ b:cry

Frijolero - Sanctuary · August 2009

Ahira - Lost City wrote: »

o_O?

Red numbers next to attribute points indicate the additional bonus points gained through equipment- if thats what you're talking about?

yeah, after a more close look I realized that.

However, I don't like to rely on equipment bonus to meet armor/weapon requirements.

As a personal opinion I prefer use the base stats to reach armor/weapon stat requirement and not depend on a specific piece of equipment that you may won't be able to change when you find a better version of if till you compensate the bonus thru lvling up or by bonus from other equipment, makin' the building of your hybrid character even more complicated and unstable than it is.

raydog22 · August 2009

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

yeah, after a more close look I realized that.

However, I don't like to rely on equipment bonus to meet armor/weapon requirements.

As a personal opinion I prefer use the base stats to reach armor/weapon stat requirement and not depend on a specific piece of equipment that you may won't be able to change when you find a better version of if till you compensate the bonus thru lvling up or by bonus from other equipment, makin' the building of your hybrid character even more complicated and unstable than it is.

Yea bonuses on the weapons suck becuase i unequiped a weapon with bonuses to get other weapon but when i took off the bonus weapon i couldnt use the new one so I had to remake they bonus weapon cus i sold it after i got new weapon

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

yeah, after a more close look I realized that.

However, I don't like to rely on equipment bonus to meet armor/weapon requirements.

As a personal opinion I prefer use the base stats to reach armor/weapon stat requirement and not depend on a specific piece of equipment that you may won't be able to change when you find a better version of if till you compensate the bonus thru lvling up or by bonus from other equipment, makin' the building of your hybrid character even more complicated and unstable than it is.

I understand what you're saying and thats a valid personal preference. Yes this build will need planning for, in fact all builds should be planned to a certain extent.

What you said about not being able to change a specific piece of equipment for a better version I do not agree with though. +Str and +Dex bonuses on accessories are extremely common. I've just had a quick look on Auction and there's a lvl 72 protection necklace with +9 Str for 40k o_O, for lvl 82 there's one with +10Str- with a + phys bonus as well. Its a similar story for magic rings too.

Yes you have to be a bit more picky that you would when using a regular build. But start browsing for upgrades a little bit earlier than you normally would and possibly keep a few attribute points unused just in case and you should be fine. ^^

Slake - Lost City · August 2009

While the battle cleric appears to be a totally valid build, Im wondering why? That is why would you chose a build that forces you to find rare gear to meet ur requirements and ends up with a similar result to regular gear?

I personally have gone for light armor from 70 til 90 and found it to be cheap (haven't bought any gear since lvl 78), easy (about 6x% damage reduction on phys and all magic and 3.6khp with max 3+ refines) and awesome (I have been adding mag since lvl 78 and I crit like a crazy man).

Just curious really.

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Slake - Lost City wrote: »

While the battle cleric appears to be a totally valid build, Im wondering why? That is why would you chose a build that forces you to find rare gear to meet ur requirements and ends up with a similar result to regular gear?

I personally have gone for light armor from 70 til 90 and found it to be cheap (haven't bought any gear since lvl 78), easy (about 6x% damage reduction on phys and all magic and 3.6khp with max 3+ refines) and awesome (I have been adding mag since lvl 78 and I crit like a crazy man).

Just curious really.

Mainly reason is flexibility. Instead of having to make a choice between going either hybrid arcane build which is good for support/grinding etc but not quite so good in pvp or alternatively going LA which is great for pvp but not as good in support/grinding, the Battle Cleric build allows you to essentially switch between both freely and easily with very little compromise on HP and magic attack (but of course you wont get the crit of LA). I hope this is clear enough in the guide! =X

Again the rare equipment point is half valid. A lot of the heavy mold armor i've recommended is always available in auction house and as i mentioned in the previous post, accessories with appropriate bonuses are also really common. (I've been planning/running this build from 7x so i've got a bit of experience about the availability of these sorts of equips ^^).

The much more tricky thing to find is good non-mold heavy armor. I'm sure everyone has experience of trying to find a good 3 star armor with full resistances and good bonus(es)- it can sometimes take a while. Similar story for HA- just the -% requirement bonus is normally a must have.

TY for posting! =D

Slake - Lost City · August 2009

What i was trying to point out was that the build Im using is good for pvp AND support/ grinding with reasonable defence, hp and attack AND benfits from being easy to acquire and relatively cheap. Thats why i was wondering.

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Slake - Lost City wrote: »

What i was trying to point out was that the build Im using is good for pvp AND support/ grinding with reasonable defence, hp and attack AND benfits from being easy to acquire and relatively cheap. Thats why i was wondering.

Nothing wrong with your build- a lot of ppl restat for LA from 70 to 90 to save on cost anyway.

The benefit of the battle cleric build is if it is sharded/refined to a similar extent as your equipment is that you will have resistances approaching LA- with higher HP and higher magic attack (with less crit). When switching back to full arcane the magic attack will correspondingly be much higher.

Its really up the the individual to decide if its worth the extra hassle or not. But yeh i'll say again there's nothing wrong with your build- lower vit- higher refine LA is definitely the way to go during the 70-90 levels.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

battle cleric.....
b:sweat

Alyyy - Sanctuary · August 2009

i hate these threads......

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

battle cleric.....
b:sweat

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

i hate these threads......

ty for posting =_='

woyaa · August 2009

I always thought the "Sacred Dancer" Build took the crown of specialist cleric builds, entirely focused on movement speed, evasion and kiting. The idea is you move too fast to be targeted and have high evasion to dodge melee. They seem to forget you can replace the entire build with a genie movement skill or a speed pot.

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

woyaa wrote: »

I always thought the "Sacred Dancer" Build took the crown of specialist cleric builds, entirely focused on movement speed, evasion and kiting. The idea is you move too fast to be targeted and have high evasion to dodge melee. They seem to forget you can replace the entire build with a genie movement skill or a speed pot.

I've heard about this build but have yet to see someone using it. Even from the descriptions i've heard it did seem extremely flawed so I didnt have high expectations of it working at all well in game. b:shutup

Alyyy - Sanctuary · August 2009

can u lock this be4 flaming starts?>.>

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=302361&highlight=MEET+HEAVY+CLERIC this cleric(shame) said hes a "batle" cleric >,>

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

can u lock this be4 flaming starts?>.>

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=302361&highlight=MEET+HEAVY+CLERIC this cleric(shame) said hes a "batle" cleric >,>

Flaming over what?

Yes I have seen that thread- that cleric is a heavy cleric, but I wouldnt call it a battle cleric. o_O

If you've read the guide and disagree on something i'm anxious to hear about it! ^_^

Alyyy - Sanctuary · August 2009

ok finaly read it >.> and its such a fail

HA cleric=pure fail
arcane cleric with dex =fail (wtf?)
LA=so-so

wana be a DD? go rol a archer or a wiz

this guide is only going to confuse new ppl and is useless

i rest my case here....

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

ok finaly read it >.> and its such a fail

HA cleric=pure fail
arcane cleric with dex =fail (wtf?)
LA=so-so

wana be a DD? go rol a archer or a wiz

this guide is only going to confuse new ppl and is useless

i rest my case here....

hehe ty for reading it! b:chuckle

Guide is not really meant for new people- its recommended for 8x+ as i've mentioned.

Emm still dont think you've followed it properly though. The basic idea of the build is adding str as opposed to adding vit as you would in a hybrid build. So essentially if you look in terms of attribute points used- you get them back in the form of HP from the helm. So when built properly you shouldnt really lose anything.

Each of the individual sub-builds will have their own strengths and weaknesses. The full Heavy armor will have very limited use as I mention in the guide- maybe for some tanking and pvp. Pseudo LA build is good in PVP- rebirth. Arcane for support/grinding blah blah. (Not sure how an extra few points in base dex makes that whole sub-build fail tho? b:puzzled)

Just looking at each of the sub-build individually you can be like "whats so great about the HA/LA/Arcane?". But the build as a whole allows you to adapt well to all game situations as i've mentioned above- thats why I called it the Battle Cleric build.

I appreciate your comments though!

Nelae - Heavens Tear · August 2009

I think what he meant about dex is unless you pump it like mad, it has no real use.

And this build isnt anything new, it was used in a PW version that must not be named often.
Heck with such good gears on high lvs it can work for its purpose, sure it goes out of the box what a cleric should be.
And when you look at the stats you will notice that with right gear its not so different from LA or full vit in terms of stats placed....so bla bla, want something new and have reset scrolls to waste try this ^^

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think what he meant about dex is unless you pump it like mad, it has no real use.

And this build isnt anything new, it was used in a PW version that must not be named often.
Heck with such good gears on high lvs it can work for its purpose, sure it goes out of the box what a cleric should be.
And when you look at the stats you will notice that with right gear its not so different from LA or full vit in terms of stats placed....so bla bla, want something new and have reset scrolls to waste try this ^^

Yups dex is pretty useless I agree. Thats why the build tries to get at much dex as possible from bonuses and not add to base.

But yayyy the first kind of positive-ish post! b:thanks

Yesh yesh this build type is used by a few people but its not widely known thats why I wrote the guide. Oh and you really dont want to hear how long I had to plan to get to this build without using resets! =_x

Alyyy - Sanctuary · August 2009

actualy for rebirth arcane is beter heck tehy ewen want pure

but in some points its a exelent guide lol i have to give u some credit at leastb:chuckle

just dont newer EWER come here with a "batle cleric" and give it HA >.> seriously >.>

arcane=no dex or str more then needed plz
HA=>.>......
LA= minimum DEX and STR rquired the reason why u shouldnt give it more dex is because ur damage(magic atack) will be too low which weakens u far too much

i would be LA if ur magic atack wouldnt be soo weak, o ya and then ppl go LA ftw how is it ftw if it makes u weak

ppl wake up MORE MAGIC ATACK=BIGER STRONGER HEALS AND ATACKS

Nelae - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Pure int in rebirth, now thats new lol. I think who ever said it to you is messing with ya xD.

Ahira - Lost City · August 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

actualy for rebirth arcane is beter heck tehy ewen want pure

but in some points its a exelent guide lol i have to give u some credit at leastb:chuckle

just dont newer EWER come here with a "batle cleric" and give it HA >.> seriously >.>

arcane=no dex or str more then needed plz
HA=>.>......
LA= minimum DEX and STR rquired the reason why u shouldnt give it more dex is because ur damage(magic atack) will be too low which weakens u far too much

i would be LA if ur magic atack wouldnt be soo weak, o ya and then ppl go LA ftw how is it ftw if it makes u weak

ppl wake up MORE MAGIC ATACK=BIGER STRONGER HEALS AND ATACKS

Full mag for rebirth?! b:shocked Decent-High vit or LA is better for sure, especially if party is not that pro.

I'll try to explain again.

Normal cleric 43 Str 50 Vit 5 Dex =98
LA Cleric 59 Str 50 Vit 77 Dex = 186
Battle cleric 63 Str 29 Vit 11 Dex = 103

Str => 80 with some bonuses, HP should be ~ same because typical decent lvl51 (80str) Rejuvenation Helm would give you 210HP = 21Vit. So just comparing total base points there's not really much difference with normal hybrid cleric- with slightly better accessories there shouldnt be any difference at all. When the Battle cleric is equipped with half arcane/half heavy you should have mag/phys defence which approaches LA- but from base points you can see that there wont be the big reduction in magic attack that you get from using LA.

Alyyy - Sanctuary · August 2009

Ahira - Lost City wrote: »

Full mag for rebirth?! b:shocked

yep....but thats what i heard from a friend in leg

Nelae - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

yep....but thats what i heard from a friend in leg

All i can say is, so untrue xD.

Kott - Sanctuary · August 2009

i would be LA if ur magic atack wouldnt be soo weak, o ya and then ppl go LA ftw how is it ftw if it makes u weak

ppl wake up MORE MAGIC ATACK=BIGER STRONGER HEALS AND ATACKS

....
You can't heal a 1 hit KO from a phys atk by an archer or phys aoe boss...

The Battle Cleric build by Ahira

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