Shaodu Cub nerfed?

Shadou Cub isn't a pvp pet, and pounce does have it's uses in PvE. Unlike -%ch, Pounce speeds up casting as well.

Bash lvl 3 and flesh ream lvl 3... I say cool ^^
Cuz normally flesh ream is lvl 1. And bash holds better agro then pounce and its also lvl 3!! Saves you alot of money on upgrading ^^

Bash = aggro skill

Flesh Ream = pvp **** skill (and halfway decent aggro when combined with bash)

Pounce = isn't this a rare skill book skill? and if so... would be nice to know EXACTLY what the skill description says (not just a telephone-game copy of it)

btw- shadou cub is better than magmite for tanking, just thought i'd put that out there (or at least seems so from my experience)

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are no mobs that will use magic attack when meleed. There are a few bosses that do, but cub can't tank any bosses their own level anyway. So, golem tanks better than the cub, period. Another thing is, if you're a pure veno build with refined weapon, you can lose aggro with cub on a regular basis, making it annoying to grind.

There are MANY mobs that use magic when meleed. There are MANY bosses that use magic when meleed. Veno's using the Cub for TT 1-1 at level 60 appear to have a higher success rate than those who use Golem. Cub is better tank period. Can't blame aggro issues on pet. - that's at hands of Veno.

tweakz wrote: »

There are MANY mobs that use magic when meleed. There are MANY bosses that use magic when meleed. Veno's using the Cub for TT 1-1 at level 60 appear to have a higher success rate than those who use Golem. Cub is better tank period. Can't blame aggro issues on pet. - that's at hands of Veno.

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, you're wrong, there are no grinding mob in outside world that use only magic attack, even when meleed. Golem is the better tank, period. Stop lying in order to sell your catshop cubs. And stop hiding behind a general avatar. For all we know, you're level 1.

I agree that there are many bosses that use magic attack even when fighting close range melee. But I cant remember a mob outside of a dungeon doing this. Hmmm maybe suzerix, but dont know for shore cuz I only tanked him with me as tank b:chuckle mantavip, also a maybe...
When tanking melee mobs its all up to the person to decide whats best. Because they are both great at phys mobs. Magmite holds better agro, but when you only heal and not attack it doesnt matter cuz mostly (im not saying it cant happen) the pet wont lose agro when you heal. But with only your pet attacking I do prefer one that does good dmg. Meaning magmite.

EvilDragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

With phys mobs they are both great tankers. When fighting a mag mob the cub is much better. But the cub does not as much dmg as the magmite, so it will take longer to kill something.

ah yes, good point... totally forgot about that b:surrender

Higher pet DPS does not always mean faster kills. If you're stuck healing more, it slows down the killing. Howl (comes on many wolves) helps kill faster also. You need a huge amount of damage to consistently go from 4 hit kills to 3 and even more from 3 to 2.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Plenty of caster mobs, like the various pyro's use magic even at melee range.

Theres other kind of monster that only use magic, but spend money in a Cub just for 2 mobs from the entire game isn't a good deal. Want a good magic tanker? Get a Marskmen, he have long range attack ensuring that the mob only will use magic against him (that usualy take longer to cast = less damage on your pet b:laugh) and he have a decent MDef (higher than golem), come with 3 good skills and for free!!! He have a good attack that don't get reduction by the range, even if he fight melee his attack won't will drop.

For me the Cub only worth for his rare skill, without that you only have a cute pet with decent defenses, i don't know why you guys think that the golem have a low Mdef, his Mdef is fine, at least is higher than mine that use light armor.

I agree there's not MANY magic only monsters. But someone said there weren't any at all, was just pointing out that yes, there are some.

And for those, yes, I actually did find the shadou a better tank than my magmite - it needed less healing afterwards.

The eldergoth is good. Very good. At least partly because it doesn't cause the monsters to try and kite it, they just stand ten paces apart, whilst one flings fire and my monkey flings poo.

But.. the eldergoth is also pretty fragile. If a second pyro gets onto it and they start chaining fire then I end up chain healing the eldergoth (or with fried monkey)

The greater hitpoints of even the magmite, with its comparatively puny magic resist are a huge asset here. It will survive the burn until it wears off and I can heal properly.

The other place the shadou shines is the exploding mobs (reverex etc.) - since that's a magic attack. It takes a much smaller chunk of its health bar from an explosion, allowing it to survive simultaneous explosions, even sacrificial-assault ones. Neither the magmite nor the eldergoth can do that.
Edit: Well, obviously they can now, they couldn't at level 42ish though.

I agree, it's unusual to need a magic tank, but it's not like it never happens. And the cub makes a fairly good one.

Pounce is just gravy. It doesn't stun often enough to rely upon it, but when it does stun that's a very nice thing. Saves at least one heal.

And, um, yes. Light armour's mdef sucks.


I've not tried other magic tanks much to compare it. The antelope I did try was too fragile, and I have no frog.


To address the original question:
Yeah, I think I prefer a Shadou with pounce over one with tough.

But I can certainly see that if you're intending to use it as a tank that you'll get more mileage out of levelling up the fleshream (and using roar as your opening attack) than you would out of pounce, for keeping aggro.

And tough is pretty nice for keeping the pet alive.

Still, if you're going to ditch pounce, I'd rather have replaced it with an elemental bash than with roar.
Looks to me like someone was experimenting with their pet, didn't like the results, and sold it off.

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

That is actually not accurate. They just have long channeling speed for magic attacks. So when they aggro on pet just before it reaches and melees it, the mob is still channeling, and end up hit the pet once with magic for initial hit, then switch to melee. One hit doesn't matter much. It's not pure magic/no melee, like some bosses.

Ok, I'll go test this - but I'm damn sure I've had pyro's continue using magic even whilst I'm smacking them.

Some monsters don't - scrunchkin casters will go melee if they have to, as will dodonix's.

But some, I'm sure, do.

williamzeo wrote: »

Theres other kind of monster that only use magic, but spend money in a Cub just for 2 mobs from the entire game isn't a good deal.

You find plenty of magic mobs around, some are pretty aggressive and aggro easily when your pet is fighting near them.

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

That is actually not accurate. ...

Saying that magic mobs never use magic in melee range is not accurate. They do, what more is there to say about it?

Furthermore, the really annoying and aggressive ones will easily aggro on a nearby pet fighting another mob, In which case they will use ranged magic attacks. They'll also switch to these when you need to direct your pet (before you can heal it) to draw aggro from a new threat.

You can avoid these situations and areas, or pull or carefully draw and kill the more aggresive types first, but that doesn't speed up the grinding. A higher M-def does help and the cub has fewer of the drawbacks that tend to come with the high M-def pets.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

But some, I'm sure, do.

I'm pretty sure the antelope pups did, or at least, they started channeling shortly before dieing.