Shatter Explained & FAQ

Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If I'm whitenamed, and someone comes up and pk's me, and I am *not* in PK mode, I can still drop *and* have my gear shattered?

GMs/mods only please - I'm not interested in your "interpretation", or your QQing, or you telling me to re-roll PvE.

I *do* have an alt on LC, and I'd like some clarification.

Red

I'm not a GM or mod but I'm just going to quote you some stuff that explained the same thing to me. I'm assuming you're talking about your LC alt as it's very hard to be white named and not in PK mode at the same time when on a PvE server =p

1) Playing with Safety Lock completely off will still have the always-present low chance to drop an Item when PKed. Shatter chances are shown below.

The percentage that an item will shatter upon being killed in PVP (Safety Lock OFF):
White and Pink name players = 0%
Light Red players = 1%
Red players = 2%
Dark Red players = 3%

SO, if you play on LC whitenamed, with all your protections checked OR unchecked, there is NO chance for your gear to shatter, however there is a very small chance (I believe it is 1%) for any one piece/stack of gear in your inventory to drop (as per drop rules here under "death penalty").

Conclusions

With a white or pink name and Safety Lock off you should not be able to have items shatter in PVP, other percentages are listed above. With safety lock on the white and pink named players will have a 1% chance to have items shattered, increasing as shown above. Without Safety Lock on you will still have the low chance to drop an item as a white name.

Hopefully that makes things a bit more clear.

EDIT: If you play with Safety Lock ON, you cannot drop gear. If you remain white named though, that 1% becomes 1% chance to shatter--again, this is with safety lock ON.

I think there were two good questions asked that I didn't see covered. Well one was, but I'm not sure if they answered fully.

1) Can gear be dropped and shattered at the same time. The response was yes gear can be both dropped and also shattered look at the percents. This does not answer the question though if it can happen at the same time. My guess is that for it to do so shattering wold have to take precedence so the item would shatter then drop, sinc eif it dropped first it wouldn't have a character to base the shattering off of. So specifically can they both happen together in one kill. So if I PK a red name is there a chance that I will pick up a piece of shattered gear if they drop it?

2) Never saw a response on if shattered gear can be traded and if so is there an indicator. So can shattered gear be traded? Can it be cat shopped? Can it be AH? Can it be dropped? Can it be NPC'd? Is there an indicator on all shattered gear? This I think would be like the genie issue where some don't show lucky points. So in other words maybe weapons show it, but aerogear doesn't and you could spend a few million on a flying mount and find out you paid full price on a shattered item.

3) Can it be broken down more (This one i added)? Meaning if the gear normally breaks down into 4 mirages and 2 mirages drop and it shatters so now it requires 3 to repair (120% the makeup rounded up) then can you break down the shattered gear and "Squeeze" out the last mirage? So normally if you broke it down you'd get 4 mirages, but now it shattered, you don't have enough money to repaid it so instead of making it a total loss you say what the heck, it still has one more mirage in it so i might as well get that.

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Asked "If I'm white named and I get PKed I have a chance to shatter"



And the table says "0%"?

So, just to re-confirm - if you are white named, technically there is a chance, but that chance is 0% - so no, stuff won't shatter. (Though you still might drop something, like before)

Is that correct?

As long as safety lock is off, yes.

Ascii - Harshlands wrote: »

I hate to say it but this IS another money making scheme, the whole point of pking was to fight people kill them and hope to drop gear, this was solved by binding your stuff, thus allowing free pking, now that dolls HAVE to be bought in order to protect my gear from shattering is ridiculous. This was not a problem; this was never a problem, why would you change a system that worked so well before

Well i think the answer is on the second page. Here it is.

The reason behind this doesn't seem that hard to understand.

Before the patch went in, you could defeat the safety lock. The idea of the safety lock is that "If it's on, then my items are safe. Even if my account is stolen, they can't get my items off me"

Except.. they could. Go red, get PKd repeatedly, and eventually everything would drop and you'd lose all of your gear. Oops!

So. Now the safety lock ALSO prevents items from dropping on death. Great!
Except... that opens up a new problem. Everyone would just turn on their safety lock just before they died, and there would be no risk at all when PKing. Ooops!

So the 'shatter' system goes in. There's a risk to getting PKed again, but even if your account IS stolen, the worst they can do is cost you a few (pretty high) repair bills.

Problem, sorta, solved.

And if you're PVE (and spoons is right about the blue name drop chance being removed) things just got safer for you.

I thought the no hitting people thing is the pk protections

Ascii - Harshlands wrote: »

There’s 2 types of protections, the original protection which you can change the time for, you may of noticed it, you have it for 1 minute after you log in. if you set that to say 6 hours, for them 6 hours you cant do anything that alters the accounts items, like you cant npc stuff.

The other is the PK Protection, which this update affects, you can check stuff to make you only attack or not attack certain people.

If this update is to prevent account hacking and them losing there items, the person who would be **** must know he’s going to be **** and then set his original safety lock to max hours. This update doesn’t stop this problem if it even exists, because all the hacker is gonna do is, oh... Pk safety lock... “Turns off” kk now ill get red named and loses all his stuff...

And if he’s bound it all, ill shatter it then take the mirages that drop. Win win for the hacker. lession for this, cashshop yourself dolls.

You're mixing up the locks. PK protections have nothing to do with this, only the original safety lock.

this new system creates a thought:

"since i need a doll on me at all time i mite as well pk rite?"<-option 1
"i mite shatter my armor if i pk"(even not red name) so less pk"<-option 2

with more pk on option 1 ppl tend to die more which creates more purchases of dolls.

it doesnt matter why u implanted it, if you look at it logically PWE is just making some $$

ydodo wrote: »

Who's gonna pay the GM's to police the rpkers? you?

Admit it now you are just another coward that whines about risks of pk. You want the blood and no consequence of it. It's perfectly legitimate for PWI to tax ppl like you, so that GM's can save their valuable time wasted in policing what should have been normal gaming activities in the first place.

Well PWI can do whatever it wants of course.

What this is doing is creating an imbalance.

A low level PKr who IS NOT a coward can be having a fun time pking around his/her level. Before it was no big deal if you died and had your Cash Shop flyer bound. Now you could lose 15 mirages for doing what the PvP server was intended for, PKing. Since the risk of dying while Pking around your own level is higher, it creates an incentive for high levels to PK lower levels.

So now I have a choice of only staying white/pink which means virtually no Pking or buying Angels (what PWI probably intended by this feature).

Oh, I forgot the last option, not play PWI anymore.

I hate to repost my question but after several pages it didn't get a response while other questions and comments did. Can any GM please comment? Thank you

Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »

I think there were two good questions asked that I didn't see covered. Well one was, but I'm not sure if they answered fully.

1) Can gear be dropped and shattered at the same time. The response was yes gear can be both dropped and also shattered look at the percents. This does not answer the question though if it can happen at the same time. My guess is that for it to do so shattering wold have to take precedence so the item would shatter then drop, sinc eif it dropped first it wouldn't have a character to base the shattering off of. So specifically can they both happen together in one kill. So if I PK a red name is there a chance that I will pick up a piece of shattered gear if they drop it?

2) Never saw a response on if shattered gear can be traded and if so is there an indicator. So can shattered gear be traded? Can it be cat shopped? Can it be AH? Can it be dropped? Can it be NPC'd? Is there an indicator on all shattered gear? This I think would be like the genie issue where some don't show lucky points. So in other words maybe weapons show it, but aerogear doesn't and you could spend a few million on a flying mount and find out you paid full price on a shattered item.

3) Can it be broken down more (This one i added)? Meaning if the gear normally breaks down into 4 mirages and 2 mirages drop and it shatters so now it requires 3 to repair (120% the makeup rounded up) then can you break down the shattered gear and "Squeeze" out the last mirage? So normally if you broke it down you'd get 4 mirages, but now it shattered, you don't have enough money to repaid it so instead of making it a total loss you say what the heck, it still has one more mirage in it so i might as well get that.

Thanks. I hadn't seen a shattered item yet so that's good to know. My only concern though is that it is like the genie lucky points. By this I mean some genies sometimes show the lucky points, say 26/40, but others in catshops for some reason do not. I just wanted to confirm that this would not happen and that the big red shattered status shows on ALL items shattered, ALL the time.

I alos would like a GM to comment on my other questions about being able to NPC them as is or being able to "squeeze" out the remaining stones.