So how are you supposed to play this game without money?

Well TW-pay is fairly common?
Well at least for the big factions that has land anyways.

However, I'm not in a TW Faction and I've never spent real money on the game and I've been able to hit 95 with TT90 gear etc, even though they are only refined to +2 and +3, i'm fairly content.

Maybe you need to take some time to think carefully to develop a good method to make coins instead of blaming being poor due to no TW-paychecks

Learn a good mat cycle and sell those. Do it for awhile to build up money before using it on things.

tweakz wrote: »

Not every class can grind continually without it costing them. It's rude to take away their ability to farm in the area they're grinding in.

Farming a mat cycle does not mean grinding, it's simply planning a 10min route (mats take 10mins to respawn) of gathering mats and selling them, costs nothing, except maybe for a ground mount to improve efficiency which i would assume a person of his level would have

darkjagans wrote: »

Farming a mat cycle does not mean grinding, it's simply planning a 10min route (mats take 10mins to respawn) of gathering mats and selling them, costs nothing, except maybe for a ground mount to improve efficiency which i would assume a person of his level would have

You're taking away their ability to do something productive while waiting for MP regen. It's rude.

tweakz wrote: »

The problem is obvious. Try actually playing the game rather than taking the free rides that cash shop players use.

I think that was a reference to Crazy Stone, not Cash Shop.

In answer to the OP... yeah it sucks, I feel more broke now than I used to be at low levels b:cry. Since I don't play a wizard, I don't know your strengths and weaknesses but it seems like farming some mats isn't a bad idea (mid-mats are highly contested, but the others are less busy, and almost as profitable).

Adeacia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You must be no good at making money in the game then. I don't find it hard by simply grinding. Regardless of which class I'm playing.

Not everyone has hours and hours to grind on this game. There are a lot of high levels who just come on a character JUST for TW and a pay check. I agree with him.. If high levels are wanting in that regard why should it be any different.

On a side note, I've made another character that I am sinking experience into a genie with and farming stuff like dull claws, hay and rough fur. Over the span of 4 days doing nothing but that while I'm on the game, I've made over 2 million coins. Its the first productive character I've had, and the strongest as I've been able to get all my skills.

tweakz wrote: »

You're taking away their ability to do something productive while waiting for MP regen. It's rude.

I tend to agree with this, and let me tell you why: I have been out fighting, seen a mat I needed and in order to get to it I had to fight an aggro creature off of it. While in battle someone on a mount (seemingly in a route) storms up and takes it while I'm killing the creature that was (defending) the mat. Nothing makes me madder in this game than that. Yeah. I used my HP and MP so that YOU YOU YOU could farm that you inconsiderate persons!!!! This has happened to me repeatedly on several characters and its irritating as heck. Its not even about the mat at that point, its about the level of disrespect for someone to earn an extra buck off your hard work.

tweakz wrote: »

That was understood.

My mistake! Ignore me .

Alphae - Lost City wrote: »

There is a difference between running a mat route and stealing from someone obviously fighting a monster to get the mine, the former is perfectly fine, the latter is what I refer to as ninja looting/mining, and is rude.

The question is, how many people do you think on a route would actually pass that mat up? Because from what I've seen across the span of 8 months I've played this game is there are very few(but they do exist)persons with that level of humility.

I know a lot of people that merchant sales and events to make cash (ive made 15mill in a couple of days through jolly jones) and I have merchanted some sales myself. I havent cash shopped in a LONG time and im richer now than i ever was

Common, you can make 1mil in about 3h by farming. Sure, it's not very exciting, but that's the way you earn money if you are not willing to pay real money.

Nigrosity - Heavens Tear wrote: »

guys, I have ground my **** off before, the bottom line is even if I do 2-2 cash runs for about 200k an hour, that is still selling my time for like $1.50/hr uS. While TT and grinding is fun, when you need like 15-20 million ingame coin, 200k an hour starts to look like work. While I enjoy doing the weekly TT's and TW's, the point is that late-game there's is so much work for so little reward that it's becoming harder to justify playing seriously, and every time I do take a break I fall abit further behind the people I started playing with.

people are trying to get me to start playing Jade Dynasty now, among other games, and I reallllly want to keep this one up......but it takes more $$$ than I can grind.

This is exactly why I made other characters to play. You can still do WQ and CS and level slowly, build up your quests and then resume play at a later time. While farming on the low level and getting good stuff to sell.

Devisionx - Sanctuary wrote: »

Common, you can make 1mil in about 3h by farming. Sure, it's not very exciting, but that's the way you earn money if you are not willing to pay real money.

I have never made that amount of money by farming in just 3 hours and I'm lvl 73. After charms or pots/ repairs and such thats not easy to do.

darkjagans wrote: »

well then it's all about priorities, it's what you want more of

and from what i can understand, OP is in urgent need of coins

Easy enough problem to fix. Die often, don't use angels (sell what you have). There is no more drop items for blue names.

rep?
not gona bother wasting my time on that

I understand, but it's really no waste of time. People can use the break from grinding after 40-60 mobs, can collect mats going to and from NPC, and it gives MP/HP recovery time.

mirage and frags?
i can buy it with the money i just earned (i can easily farm 300-400k worth of high mats in an hour, assuming i can sell them for 1.8-2k each)

What we have here is people who get their xp the lazy boring expensive way (CS/WQ/CoF). Then they have to make up their coin to xp ratio the lazy boring way (farm mats, buy and sell). In the end it balances out, but they make the game more boring for themselves and interfere with other's experience (taking mats from their grind area).

boring?
well... can't argue there, i fall asleep sometimes

I wonder if people ask themselves why they play this game? I agree with others that the game is stupid easy BUT it can also be as difficult as you make it. The game can also be boring, but it can also only be as exciting as you allow it.

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You can get money grinding on monsters close to your level, especially if they are in the air. You do not need some Faction's TW pay. You can also go with them on TT/other Grinds and get a bit from this as well.

Yeah, you really actually lose money on TW. The pay just helps to compensate the loss. I could care less if I'm in a TW faction or not. Most often TW is boring and wastes time when I could be advancing my character and earning coin.

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yer a barb...i wouldn't tell you to solo grind but the OP is a wiz and range is advantageous in solo grinding. i honestly make a good 200k an hour hitting fish at sea of isolation and that's the profit after eso, ammo, and repair costs