k so i DID notice something bout the bless boxes
Vinat - Sanctuary
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they cause me to steal aggro from my herc.. like.. non stop. the +10 attack and defense levels should apply to the pets as well. and i know, a lot of ppl are gonna QQ that veno pets are op in dungeons on ?lvl bosses.. but seriously.. it is very unfair to completely undermine the entire dynamic of a veno and it's pet by, in the most difficult of places -- dungeons, making the veno disproportionately stronger than the pet.
the boxes were meant to make these places easier.. or so i assume.. but all it does for a veno is make it harder and slower.. bcuz we have to choose between aggroing things and wasting charm or dying, or just sitting and waiting for a pet to kill whatever it is youre attacking.
the boxes were meant to make these places easier.. or so i assume.. but all it does for a veno is make it harder and slower.. bcuz we have to choose between aggroing things and wasting charm or dying, or just sitting and waiting for a pet to kill whatever it is youre attacking.
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errrrr.. I only did 1 TT recently so I didn't test the new blessing that well, but if I'm not wrong u can don't equip or disequip it so why QQ ? just don't use it if u are solo[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Don't use it,if it ruins your balance with the pet.Or just cast less and do more debuffs...i'm not a veno so don't know all you can do with the pet.0
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k just tried it inside a fb59, u can equip and unequip it so where the hell is the problem ? at least my QQ threads have a sense while this doesn't have any
if u are solo and u steal aggro to ur pet don't equip the blessing at all
if u are in team and u are tanking with pet ask the big DDs to don't use the blessing
isn't that simple ? o.o what did I miss[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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ok, good idea.. dont equip it. that WOULD probably help with the problem, but why the hell should i not equip it when everyone else does and can? thats unfair. its an issue that was clearly not thought about prior to implementation, and it is an issue that really needs to be dealt with. if a good chunk of the player base cant use it, then why even have it there?
oh god till now I never saw someone QQ about TTs being too hard, so if u don't use the blessing all the time where's ur damn problem..
this game is already easy so what do u want more ? a red carpet that goes straight to ur favourite gold mats ?
btw if u didn't notice they nerfed TTs and there are a lot of mobs missing so they are damn faster than before
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its not fair to tell a veno not to use it or tell her whole team to not use it0
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Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »ok. good idea to not use it. that is a quick easy fix. but why the hell should i not use it when everyone else does? why the hell is it even in the game if a huge chunk of the player base cannot make use of it?
tell the whole team not to use it? like i said WHY IS IT EVEN IN THE GAME THEN IF IT CANT BE REASONABLY USED?
OMG what a terrible thing isn't it
last time I checked instances were for squads and for "squads" purposes so u are not there to "be the best damage dealer or the best healer" u are freaking there to help and gain mats
and if u are going solo and u can't use the blessing like u want then just don't equip unless u are just healing pet, with the TT number of mobs nerfed u are going faster aniway so what do u QQ of ?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »oh god till now I never saw someone QQ about TTs being too hard, so if u don't use the blessing all the time where's ur damn problem..
this game is already easy so what do u want more ? a red carpet that goes straight to ur favourite gold mats ?
btw if u didn't notice they nerfed TTs and there are a lot of mobs missing so they are damn faster than before
Edit: nice try to edit, but I still quoted ur dumb post
i think the tt nerfed mobs is a bug. i dont think they took them out on purpose.. cuz mobs in other places are bugged and dont walk around anymore.
and qqing that tt is too hard.. do you mean me? i never said its hard i just said its all screwed up. me and i bet every other veno has been doing things a certain way up until now and then they throw this box thing in and **** everything up.
telling ppl in a veno-tanker squad not to use the box.. theyre all gonna say "no" and ***** about it and use it anyway. then theyre all gonna end up dead. the box is a problem as far as pets go. and really.. why shouldnt it apply to the pet too? you cannot separate one from the other, pet and veno.0 -
TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »OMG what a terrible thing isn't it
last time I checked instances were for squads and for "squads" purposes so u are not there to "be the best damage dealer or the best healer" u are freaking there to help and gain mats
and if u are going solo and u can't use the blessing like u want then just don't equip unless u are just healing pet, with the TT number of mobs nerfed u are going faster aniway so what do u QQ of ?
where are you getting your quotes from? bcuz thats 2 now that i dont see in this thread. youre starting to confuse me0 -
and why are you being such a jerk. youre not even contributing anything other than telling me to shut up. you shut up and go away. i want to hear what other venos think about this. not some lame loser **** attitude op barb0
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it's not a bugVinat - Sanctuary wrote: »i think the tt nerfed mobs is a bug. i dont think they took them out on purpose.. cuz mobs in other places are bugged and dont walk around anymore.
**** up ? WHY!?! if u think they **** up don't equip them ffsVinat - Sanctuary wrote: »and qqing that tt is too hard.. do you mean me? i never said its hard i just said its all screwed up. me and i bet every other veno has been doing things a certain way up until now and then they throw this box thing in and **** everything up.
yeah so now gms/devs are gonna spend loads of time for coding etc for ur ugy herc's face, why don't u try to think of a good and wise use of the blessing instead of whine about it ? damn..Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »telling ppl in a veno-tanker squad not to use the box.. theyre all gonna say "no" and ***** about it and use it anyway. then theyre all gonna end up dead. the box is a problem as far as pets go. and really.. why shouldnt it apply to the pet too? you cannot separate one from the other, pet and veno.
and if ppl refuses to take out blessing when u tank with herc they are idiots and if they die they searched for it simple as that
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I feel really offended.... notVinat - Sanctuary wrote: »and why are you being such a jerk. youre not even contributing anything other than telling me to shut up. you shut up and go away. i want to hear what other venos think about this. not some lame loser **** attitude op barb[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »it's not a bug
**** up ? WHY!?! if u think they **** up don't equip them ffs
yeah so now gms/devs are gonna spend loads of time for coding etc for ur ugy herc's face, why don't u try to think of a good and wise use of the blessing instead of whine about it ? damn..
and if ppl refuses to take out blessing when u tank with herc they are idiots and if they die they searched for it simple as that
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I feel really offended.... not
k if not a bug then link me to where the gms said so, otherwise thats just you pulling **** out of your ****.
and you really are a moron. youre really not getting the point at all. go somewhere else and code your stupid ugly featureless panda face and get the hell out of my thread.
gonna take some time now to figure out how to block you so i never have to see a word you say ever again.0 -
it's 90% not a bug by looking at the precision of the mobs that have been nerfed, if u are decent at TTs u'll notice what I meanVinat - Sanctuary wrote: »k if not a bug then link me to where the gms said so, otherwise thats just you pulling **** out of your ****.
and you really are a moron. youre really not getting the point at all. go somewhere else and code your stupid ugly featureless panda face and get the hell out of my thread.
gonna take some time now to figure out how to block you so i never have to see a word you say ever again.
txs, txs, txs that's it ? I hate ppl's rage for breakfast but still u didn't anwser me or said anything about what I proposed ---> u understood how wrong u are and u try to redirect the subject on me trolling, nice try
there is a blacklist function in the forum, use it, I will not miss u[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »they cause me to steal aggro from my herc.. like.. non stop. the +10 attack and defense levels should apply to the pets as well. and i know, a lot of ppl are gonna QQ that veno pets are op in dungeons on ?lvl bosses.. but seriously.. it is very unfair to completely undermine the entire dynamic of a veno and it's pet by, in the most difficult of places -- dungeons, making the veno disproportionately stronger than the pet.
the boxes were meant to make these places easier.. or so i assume.. but all it does for a veno is make it harder and slower.. bcuz we have to choose between aggroing things and wasting charm or dying, or just sitting and waiting for a pet to kill whatever it is youre attacking.
And this is why the I use a Magmite when plowing through FBs. Unlike the Banana Sumo, my pet actually holds aggro, even off of Archers.
Maybe, just maybe, this will finally stop people from using a Herc as a Swiss Army Knife. +1 to PW.0 -
Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »And this is why the I use a Magmite when plowing through FBs. Unlike the Banana Sumo, my pet actually holds aggro, even off of Archers.
Maybe, just maybe, this will finally stop people from using a Herc as a Swiss Army Knife. +1 to PW.
ive tested with my same lvl scorpion.. 3k+ p attack. i steal aggro from him too. it's not a herc issue, its a bless box issue.0 -
oh no, you're stronger than your pet <.<;;;0
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QQing about being stronger is a really wierd thing isn't it o.o this thread is wierdSnuglyZero - Sanctuary wrote: »oh no, you're stronger than your pet <.<;;;[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Ya, I noticed I was easily stealing aggro from 3 lvl 68-70 hercs hitting mobs at once and the venos who obviously don't understand aggro kept getting one shotted by TT mobs because theyd take aggro from their own herc couldn't take a hit.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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jesus effing christ
go play a veno please
otherwise shut the hell up. you barbs really have no idea what it is youre commenting on and being so rude and obnoxious about.
veno is designed to have the pet tank. my build is based off that design. if the pet cannot hold aggro from a measly 1 shot of venemous then there is a problem. END OF STORY. and to reitterate -- this was not a problem before the bless box. therefore the box is causing the problem. therefore the box should be fixed. and NO, i dont mean fixed by "JUST DONT USE IT" i mean fixed as in if i use it this problem does not occur.0 -
the blessing is made so u can have 10% attack and 10% defense if u like the bonus, equip it, otherwise don't use itVinat - Sanctuary wrote: »jesus effing christ
go play a veno please
otherwise shut the hell up. you barbs really have no idea what it is youre commenting on and being so rude and obnoxious about.
veno is designed to have the pet tank. my build is based off that design. if the pet cannot hold aggro from a measly 1 shot of venemous then there is a problem. END OF STORY. and to reitterate -- this was not a problem before the bless box. therefore the box is causing the problem. therefore the box should be fixed. and NO, i dont mean fixed by "JUST DONT USE IT" i mean fixed as in if i use it this problem does not occur.
if u choose to use it and steal aggro why do u cry about it ? U wanted power so bad and u got spanked
I laugh at u, why noobs get that high level ? guess it's cuz of the "easy mode class" o,.,o[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I did a solo TT run with my herc and had no problems with drawing aggro. Everything dies so damn fast with that thing equipped anyway, that even if I did gain aggro, the thing was dead before it harmed me...
Personally I don't like those bless boxes because they take the challenge away from the dungeons. But that's just me ^^;[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I do play a veno when I get bored, she's somewhere in her high 50's. Currently in a high mag build on arcane armor so I know what it's like to steal aggro, but seriously learn how aggro works. Just wait for the monsters hp to go down a bit before attacking.0
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Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »ive tested with my same lvl scorpion.. 3k+ p attack. i steal aggro from him too. it's not a herc issue, its a bless box issue.
Do you alternate skills? How many do you have? My Magmite has 4 attack skills. Bash, Sandblow, Flesh Ream, and Thunderbolt. He's a good enough tank to hold the aggro, and take the damage. That was my point about Herc. Hercs lose aggro to weak players all the time. They're not aggro hogs, they're a brick wall that takes a beating, and occasionally drops a brick on the enemy's head just enough to annoy them a tiny bit.0 -
OK i guess you don't like the easy way which was to non equip that "damned" bless.Then just let the herc get beaten more by the mobs/bosses to get more hate.Works the same with us full tank barbs...we don't do much dmg so we need to build a bit of hate before DDers start nuking like there is no tommorow.That's why i said use debuffs,amplify should help alot the herc do more dmg.Or if you really want just to DD use first skills that do dmg over time like fire or poison first.
As the games gets more things inside the game is normal to get affected and strategy changes are normal.0 -
i agree about the aggro thing. with 1 venemous i pull aggro off my herc from any TT mob and my wep isnt refined at all.. but i dont see the big deal about the blessing. o.o
i just unequip it when fighting the mobs, or space out my attacks so bash has more time to cooldown.
The Gms probly made the blessing in the first place to stop venos dominating HH as much since more people will want barb tanks with the +def and better aggro keeping.
So it makes sense that it doesnt apply to pets.
Im actually glad to see GMS trying to balance out the classes even if it makes it a little bit harder for me ^^
we are still the only 1s who can solo squad mode so it dusnt make much difference in my opinion..
im actually more concerned that bosses i used to tank easily are now killing my herc O.o dunno if thats just me but they seem to hit harder than before the patch.0 -
I like the idea of the boxes for the super hard dungeons (oh why couldn't we have had these in Lunar when we did it?! Would've saved on a lot of time b:chuckle) - picking and chosing the bonus would be a nice addition - maybe a choice between three blessings i.e. one for +10 Attack, one for +10 Defence, and the current one for both?
I would imagine someone like a Barb would want both and a Veno or an Archer (for the sake of this conversation *not* derailing into more Veno QQ) would want +10 Defence only so as to not draw aggro from Pet or Barbarian tank.0 -
Herc has reflect. Instance mobs tend to hit harder. Reflect does more dmg on mobs that melee harder/faster. More reflect dmg = more pet aggro, more time healing for veno = less caster aggro. Veno is most capable of soloing instances. Now veno get's faster xp and drops for doing so. It is unfair for other classes, not veno.
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Kaarinaa - Lost City wrote: »i agree about the aggro thing. with 1 venemous i pull aggro off my herc from any TT mob and my wep isnt refined at all.. but i dont see the big deal about the blessing. o.o
i just unequip it when fighting the mobs, or space out my attacks so bash has more time to cooldown.
The Gms probly made the blessing in the first place to stop venos dominating HH as much since more people will want barb tanks with the +def and better aggro keeping.
So it makes sense that it doesnt apply to pets.
Im actually glad to see GMS trying to balance out the classes even if it makes it a little bit harder for me ^^
we are still the only 1s who can solo squad mode so it dusnt make much difference in my opinion..
im actually more concerned that bosses i used to tank easily are now killing my herc O.o dunno if thats just me but they seem to hit harder than before the patch.
In what TT do you steal aggro with venomous?
yestereday = 2.3; 3.1; 3.1
First two to see what the blessing gave..
Less mobs.. some harder than before : Twilight gardians / ancient ghostjock
- TG do more mag damages ; AG do more Phy Damages.. in a range of 10-15% (to be on par with the blessing?? )
the only time i took aggro was with 3 crits following each others (20k, 12k 18k)
2.3 and 3.1 are tricky TTs , every once in a while bosses will do some spike damage and kill herc
- that was the case before - the lion in 2.3 killing Herc.. happens
- Culbutto, sacred motherf, dark beast have spikes too (Sacred motherf did it once to me)I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.
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Slow down your DPS. Problem solved.
In the time you wasted whining on the forum, you could've unequipped the blessing or at least taken the time to wait a few seconds between casting spells.Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
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If I had the problem (which I think is overblown), I'd just find a cheap weapon with +MP and other stats to switch to.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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