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both are valid, but we're not going to involve ourselves in this eternal argumentb:chuckle
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hey people please dont start again this Flesh Ream cry me a bleed bug evilveno killed me fight ^^0
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eatwithspoons wrote: »both are valid, but we're not going to involve ourselves in this eternal argumentb:chuckle
ty <_<
It is considered a bug regardless, but i doubt its bannable as stated in the quote by Ice.
Posted by GM:
"bug = glitch," means a bug and a glitch is the same thing
"if there are beneficial effects to using the bug/glitch then it is an exploit" means that if you can exploit the bug in a manner not intended but to your benefit it is bannable.
to me the benificial effect of the bleed skill is that every veno uses it because of the fact it doesnt recieve the 75% reduction in pvp. But again spoony didnt get into specifics so ill drop that.0 -
So in other words it takes a certain class and pple skills well above the norm to have an equal chance with veno+nix is what your saying.Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »a good BM and barb should be able to get upto a veno and smash its head in, i dont see why you cant.
Its like saying if cleric got an abnormal pdef. And only a barb with 90 zerk axes or a veno with nix on par their lvl could get through the defence. But since these 2 can break the defence, its not bugged at all.
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eatwithspoons wrote: »both are valid, but we're not going to involve ourselves in this eternal argumentb:chuckle
This is the reason these debates continue to happen.
While I empathize with your reasoning for not giving an exact answer to whether Flesh Ream should/should not work this way, the lack of answers will never settle this debate either.
Thanks for calling it an eternal argument, for indeed it is.
And you caused it.0 -
wrong, youre taking that way out of context. only a third rate amateur sits and whines about something killing him, someone who actually knows what theyre doing can kill the bird without them touching them, or touching them and not doing much dmg to them.Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »So in other words it takes a certain class and pple skills well above the norm to have an equal chance with veno+nix is what your saying.
Its like saying if cleric got an abnormal pdef. And only a barb with 90 zerk axes or a veno with nix on par their lvl could get through the defence. But since these 2 can break the defence, its not bugged at all.
PVP just isnt for everyone here since everyone thinks their class has to be good at everything. real pros accept a weakness and work around it, not sit there and complain. look at our top PKer, a wizard, of all things. look at harshlands top PKer, a cleric. im pretty sure they know how to get around a bird, how bout you :P?
EDIT: this situation can occur with wizards at end game, how do you deal with one with 10-12k pdef, and 12K+ mdef? and dont say its bugged either, its totally legit.Its like saying if cleric got an abnormal pdef. And only a barb with 90 zerk axes or a veno with nix on par their lvl could get through the defence. But since these 2 can break the defence, its not bugged at all.0 -
Tear always offending other's abilities for the sake of his precious flesh ream, fine
nice try evading the topic by talking about insane wizards that we'll never see for many many months
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theres so many ways around it, genie anti bleed, apoth pots, killing the bird, 1 shotting the veno... etc. yet no ones using them, and just whining instead. they help alot
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and the bulk of my response had nothing to do with wizards, quit reading half,and read the whole thing.0 -
Howsthis - Lost City wrote: »It is considered a bug regardless, but i doubt its bannable as stated in the quote by Ice.
Posted by GM:
"bug = glitch," means a bug and a glitch is the same thing
"if there are beneficial effects to using the bug/glitch then it is an exploit" means that if you can exploit the bug in a manner not intended but to your benefit it is bannable.
to me the benificial effect of the bleed skill is that every veno uses it because of the fact it doesnt recieve the 75% reduction in pvp. But again spoony didnt get into specifics so ill drop that.
GMs are essentially customer service reps. While they can make day-to-day decisions regarding the operation of the game (e.g. banning someone for bug exploiting), they have little say in the underlying code and game mechanics implemented by the code. Xarfox's statement sounds like he feels it's a bug (heck, I feel it's a bug too), but that PWE's developers in China have for whatever reason decided to let Flesh Ream stay as-is.
With the Gouf/air pet glitch, everyone at PWE is on the same wavelength - it's a bug, don't exploit it. But with Flesh Ream it seems there is some dissent within PWE, which is causing the ambiguous and seemingly contradictory statements. The GMs, who interact more closely with the players, view it more as the players do and consider it a bug. The developers I'm guessing interact more closely with the accounting department and see it as a revenue-generating feature.
If correct, that would put the GMs in an awkward position. They feel it's a bug - the players don't like it, and from a fairness standpoint it sure sounds like it's broken. But they can't do anything about it because it has received the blessing of PWE's management as "not-a-bug". All they can do is reiterate over and over to PWE management that it causes a lot of complaints from players.0 -
Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »So in other words it takes a certain class and pple skills well above the norm to have an equal chance with veno+nix is what your saying.
Its like saying if cleric got an abnormal pdef. And only a barb with 90 zerk axes or a veno with nix on par their lvl could get through the defence. But since these 2 can break the defence, its not bugged at all.
any cleric who sees a veno coming and cant kill them is complete FAIL.
veno is OP 80-90 thats it. **** after 90(against anyone who isnt an idiot)
mage is underpowered 20-60. good 60-90. insanely OP 90+.
archer is OP throughout.
cleric who isnt a complete moron can kill anyone without getting touched.
barb is too chi dependent to be considered OP. other than having lots of HP thats all they really have going for them unless they have full chi.
blademaster is only good if they stunlock. if not they are painfully **** without zerk.Staring at the wall is much more rewarding than playing PW.0 -
winStarrr - Harshlands wrote: »any cleric who sees a veno coming and cant kill them is complete FAIL.
veno is OP 80-90 thats it. **** after 90(against anyone who isnt an idiot)
mage is underpowered 20-60. good 60-90. insanely OP 90+.
archer is OP throughout.
cleric who isnt a complete moron can kill anyone without getting touched.
barb is too chi dependent to be considered OP. other than having lots of HP thats all they really have going for them unless they have full chi.
blademaster is only good if they stunlock. if not they are painfully **** without zerk.
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Starrr - Harshlands wrote: »any cleric who sees a veno coming and cant kill them is complete FAIL.
complete bs, veno just sends nix in/ flys away and stays out of range and waits for a dead cleric.0 -
Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »complete bs, veno just sends nix in/ flys away and stays out of range and waits for a dead cleric.
sleep nix, debuff veno, veno QQ?
Although in not 100% sure you can sleep a nix.Back.0 -
I'm OP Baby! It's not changing so either get over it or reroll. Theres also an unnistall button. b:victory
On a more serious note, there are ways to beat a veno in pvp. It's been proven over and over again. You just have to have skill to do it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Character Roster:
Gwendolynne : 101/SageVeno - Xyleena : 102/DemonCleric
Delecroix : 101/DemonSin - Anatoxin : 9x/SagePsy
Raevynne : 100/DemonBM - GotMeTwisted : 8x/SageSeeker
Deicidea : 8x/Mystic - Diva : 95/SageBM/Retired0 -
Nayiro - Sanctuary wrote: »sleep nix, debuff veno, veno QQ?
Although in not 100% sure you can sleep a nix.
most of the time it doesnt last more than 5 seconds, and by the time i get close to the veno, nix is already free. OR veno just debuffs and stuns me if i do get somewhat close0 -
when i was 8x i could be one shot by poison + sage/demon plume 0
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it seems like many statuses like sleep doesn't really work good on pets, it's stated that is best to sleep the veno and try to kill the nix but still it's not a easy thing to do while the veno is just pressing ALT+F1Nayiro - Sanctuary wrote: »sleep nix, debuff veno, veno QQ?
Although in not 100% sure you can sleep a nix.
aww u poor thing, cry me a riverTearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »when i was 8x i could be one shot by poison + sage/demon plume[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »You just have to have skill to do it.
if by skill you mean countless apoc pots and slots cluttered with anti-nix genie skills, then yea i agree0 -
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »when i was 8x i could be one shot by poison + sage/demon plume
Idk any venos that take pvp seriously that use arcane on my server. Every veno i usually come across is LA
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Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »complete bs, veno just sends nix in/ flys away and stays out of range and waits for a dead cleric.
seriously if any cleric cant figure out how to kill a veno when they see them coming they are complete FAIL. it takes 0 skill and only a half a brain.Staring at the wall is much more rewarding than playing PW.0 -
I bet that if u grab a cleric and I send against u a Nix u'll die from bleeding in 2 seconds while u are stil searching the purify skill image or failing cauterizeStarrr - Harshlands wrote: »seriously if any cleric cant figure out how to kill a veno when they see them coming they are complete FAIL. it takes 0 skill and only a half a brain.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »I bet that if u grab a cleric and I send against u a Nix u'll die from bleeding in 2 seconds while u are stil searching the purify skill image or failing cauterize
QFT idk if venos realize how hard the bugged bleed hits. A veno my level with nix ticks about 1500 damage each tick, maybe a little less. Thats half my HP, let alone the pecks from the bird do roughly 500 each peck if i dont have shell up. *which most venos purge at that point then go back to flying away.*
Hell im open to suggestions, but everything ive been told about a cleric vs a veno when both knows each other is there, the veno always wins. (except 9x)
However if I see the veno first, chances are yes i can kill her fairy quickly (after i find out if shes arcane, LA or heavy)0 -
Wizards are OP O.OQuit.0
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tip veno's are not op i have a veno i have a bm my bm can kick my veno lvl 80's **** and its lvl81 that being said i have a nix i have a hurc the veno can yes play well in PvE no it can not tank all dungeons or bosses i garentee you a hurc will die in TT2-3 or 2-2 or 2-1 given that u go against certain bosses and also if a veno lures it doesnt have to deal with every mob at once also a nix isnt end all be all also every mob and or pet with ream can use that bug on a charecter or your pet also venos have low repiar costs IF they let their pet solo mobs OR have a hurc for aoe grinding BUT wait if you aoe grind and you pull mobs off hurc ur f-ucked as you wont survive the dmg from them as a arcane user and ur hp being about 3K tops unless you have Vit eq stats or HP+ eq and shards also no hurc can solo soulbanisher in TT1-2 untill about lvl 85+ even then you DO need a cleric with BB and DO need DD's for killing him fast enough and DO need about 4K hp or so and a second veno for healing your hurc all of you DO need about 4K hp for that alone in TT2-1 wurlord being inpossible for any veno hurc or not till about lvl 90 for solo
then top it off with having to buy a lot of skills for your veno you MUST upgrade your own healing ressing and taming skills as a veno unless u have a nix and hurc then just ressing and healing for those then u must have ironwoodscarab venomous scarab bramble gaurd hood metabolic boost natures grace soul transfusion noxcious gas blazing scarab frost scarab all as maxed as you can get them to excel at PvE for pking you need them to if you want to be effective with DOT and such also that being just venomancer form skills add fox form skills for pking and PvP and you have to have even more Spirit and coins for it also that being set aside no1 ever complained about a venomancer being OP b4 the nixes and hurcs came out like they do now a veno was able to still solo TT b4 then with a decent shaodo if needed for certain bosses at that but it was constant healing and a magmite for other bosses to a kowlin for luring also tip a sawfly was just as effective at killing as a dam nix was and nobody ever complains about my lvl 79 sawfly with ream as they think it isnt bad but you know what the effect being the dam same as my nix mind you it doesnt have ream lvl 4 at all and its lvl 60 or so but that being said i have people who fear my dam sawfly more then they do a nix and i have a scorpion for pking in secret passage they fear that more then my kowlin even! because i know how to pvp and pk and pve i do know how and i have also upgraded my pets skills to make them actually useful at lower lvls they dont do that much and you can die from mobs by drawing aggro that aside a BARB BM CLERIC ARCHER can kill a veno if they know what they are doing and genie skills being usful now for pking and preventing ream and such also there are pills!!! people used to use those before relying on charm packs to save their **** now they dont remember how they used to even get along without them and use a pot omg the concept or a pill WOW amazing how i survive in pk with those alone if i use a charm its because i wont have pills with me at that time so that being said a archer can 1 shot a veno if you play your cards right a barb can out last a well placed ream a cleric can omg its called purify not panic button then heal and sprk the veno to the ground hell a cleric hits about 3x harder then a veno with mag dmg wizz = insta kill veno with 3 well placed hits yes it take sthe 2 spark skill to reduce chan time to 0 but u killed me now wat the pet goes away no way to stop that archer = PvP gods phy dmg off the dam charts genie skill for massive metal dmg Treeof Protection = full hp again AND a skill to recover ALL sparks that being said (Rant over)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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My Godb:shockedI_Love_Pets - Heavens Tear wrote: »tip veno's are not op i have a veno i have a bm my bm can kick my veno lvl 80's **** and its lvl81 that being said i have a nix i have a hurc the veno can yes play well in PvE no it can not tank all dungeons or bosses i garentee you a hurc will die in TT2-3 or 2-2 or 2-1 given that u go against certain bosses and also if a veno lures it doesnt have to deal with every mob at once also a nix isnt end all be all also every mob and or pet with ream can use that bug on a charecter or your pet also venos have low repiar costs IF they let their pet solo mobs OR have a hurc for aoe grinding BUT wait if you aoe grind and you pull mobs off hurc ur f-ucked as you wont survive the dmg from them as a arcane user and ur hp being about 3K tops unless you have Vit eq stats or HP+ eq and shards also no hurc can solo soulbanisher in TT1-2 untill about lvl 85+ even then you DO need a cleric with BB and DO need DD's for killing him fast enough and DO need about 4K hp or so and a second veno for healing your hurc all of you DO need about 4K hp for that alone in TT2-1 wurlord being inpossible for any veno hurc or not till about lvl 90 for solo
then top it off with having to buy a lot of skills for your veno you MUST upgrade your own healing ressing and taming skills as a veno unless u have a nix and hurc then just ressing and healing for those then u must have ironwoodscarab venomous scarab bramble gaurd hood metabolic boost natures grace soul transfusion noxcious gas blazing scarab frost scarab all as maxed as you can get them to excel at PvE for pking you need them to if you want to be effective with DOT and such also that being just venomancer form skills add fox form skills for pking and PvP and you have to have even more Spirit and coins for it also that being set aside no1 ever complained about a venomancer being OP b4 the nixes and hurcs came out like they do now a veno was able to still solo TT b4 then with a decent shaodo if needed for certain bosses at that but it was constant healing and a magmite for other bosses to a kowlin for luring also tip a sawfly was just as effective at killing as a dam nix was and nobody ever complains about my lvl 79 sawfly with ream as they think it isnt bad but you know what the effect being the dam same as my nix mind you it doesnt have ream lvl 4 at all and its lvl 60 or so but that being said i have people who fear my dam sawfly more then they do a nix and i have a scorpion for pking in secret passage they fear that more then my kowlin even! because i know how to pvp and pk and pve i do know how and i have also upgraded my pets skills to make them actually useful at lower lvls they dont do that much and you can die from mobs by drawing aggro that aside a BARB BM CLERIC ARCHER can kill a veno if they know what they are doing and genie skills being usful now for pking and preventing ream and such also there are pills!!! people used to use those before relying on charm packs to save their **** now they dont remember how they used to even get along without them and use a pot omg the concept or a pill WOW amazing how i survive in pk with those alone if i use a charm its because i wont have pills with me at that time so that being said a archer can 1 shot a veno if you play your cards right a barb can out last a well placed ream a cleric can omg its called purify not panic button then heal and sprk the veno to the ground hell a cleric hits about 3x harder then a veno with mag dmg wizz = insta kill veno with 3 well placed hits yes it take sthe 2 spark skill to reduce chan time to 0 but u killed me now wat the pet goes away no way to stop that archer = PvP gods phy dmg off the dam charts genie skill for massive metal dmg Treeof Protection = full hp again AND a skill to recover ALL sparks that being said (Rant over)Quit.0 -
I_Love_Pets - Heavens Tear wrote: »tip veno's are not op i have a veno i have a bm my bm can kick my veno lvl 80's **** and its lvl81 that being said i have a nix i have a hurc the veno can yes play well in PvE no it can not tank all dungeons or bosses i garentee you a hurc will die in TT2-3 or 2-2 or 2-1 given that u go against certain bosses and also if a veno lures it doesnt have to deal with every mob at once also a nix isnt end all be all also every mob and or pet with ream can use that bug on a charecter or your pet also venos have low repiar costs IF they let their pet solo mobs OR have a hurc for aoe grinding BUT wait if you aoe grind and you pull mobs off hurc ur f-ucked as you wont survive the dmg from them as a arcane user and ur hp being about 3K tops unless you have Vit eq stats or HP+ eq and shards also no hurc can solo soulbanisher in TT1-2 untill about lvl 85+ even then you DO need a cleric with BB and DO need DD's for killing him fast enough and DO need about 4K hp or so and a second veno for healing your hurc all of you DO need about 4K hp for that alone in TT2-1 wurlord being inpossible for any veno hurc or not till about lvl 90 for solo
then top it off with having to buy a lot of skills for your veno you MUST upgrade your own healing ressing and taming skills as a veno unless u have a nix and hurc then just ressing and healing for those then u must have ironwoodscarab venomous scarab bramble gaurd hood metabolic boost natures grace soul transfusion noxcious gas blazing scarab frost scarab all as maxed as you can get them to excel at PvE for pking you need them to if you want to be effective with DOT and such also that being just venomancer form skills add fox form skills for pking and PvP and you have to have even more Spirit and coins for it also that being set aside no1 ever complained about a venomancer being OP b4 the nixes and hurcs came out like they do now a veno was able to still solo TT b4 then with a decent shaodo if needed for certain bosses at that but it was constant healing and a magmite for other bosses to a kowlin for luring also tip a sawfly was just as effective at killing as a dam nix was and nobody ever complains about my lvl 79 sawfly with ream as they think it isnt bad but you know what the effect being the dam same as my nix mind you it doesnt have ream lvl 4 at all and its lvl 60 or so but that being said i have people who fear my dam sawfly more then they do a nix and i have a scorpion for pking in secret passage they fear that more then my kowlin even! because i know how to pvp and pk and pve i do know how and i have also upgraded my pets skills to make them actually useful at lower lvls they dont do that much and you can die from mobs by drawing aggro that aside a BARB BM CLERIC ARCHER can kill a veno if they know what they are doing and genie skills being usful now for pking and preventing ream and such also there are pills!!! people used to use those before relying on charm packs to save their **** now they dont remember how they used to even get along without them and use a pot omg the concept or a pill WOW amazing how i survive in pk with those alone if i use a charm its because i wont have pills with me at that time so that being said a archer can 1 shot a veno if you play your cards right a barb can out last a well placed ream a cleric can omg its called purify not panic button then heal and sprk the veno to the ground hell a cleric hits about 3x harder then a veno with mag dmg wizz = insta kill veno with 3 well placed hits yes it take sthe 2 spark skill to reduce chan time to 0 but u killed me now wat the pet goes away no way to stop that archer = PvP gods phy dmg off the dam charts genie skill for massive metal dmg Treeof Protection = full hp again AND a skill to recover ALL sparks that being said (Rant over)
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I_Love_Pets - Heavens Tear wrote: »tip veno's are not op i have a veno i have a bm my bm can kick my veno lvl 80's **** and its lvl81 that being said i have a nix i have a hurc the veno can yes play well in PvE no it can not tank all dungeons or bosses i garentee you a hurc will die in TT2-3 or 2-2 or 2-1 given that u go against certain bosses and also if a veno lures it doesnt have to deal with every mob at once also a nix isnt end all be all also every mob and or pet with ream can use that bug on a charecter or your pet also venos have low repiar costs IF they let their pet solo mobs OR have a hurc for aoe grinding BUT wait if you aoe grind and you pull mobs off hurc ur f-ucked as you wont survive the dmg from them as a arcane user and ur hp being about 3K tops unless you have Vit eq stats or HP+ eq and shards also no hurc can solo soulbanisher in TT1-2 untill about lvl 85+ even then you DO need a cleric with BB and DO need DD's for killing him fast enough and DO need about 4K hp or so and a second veno for healing your hurc all of you DO need about 4K hp for that alone in TT2-1 wurlord being inpossible for any veno hurc or not till about lvl 90 for solo
then top it off with having to buy a lot of skills for your veno you MUST upgrade your own healing ressing and taming skills as a veno unless u have a nix and hurc then just ressing and healing for those then u must have ironwoodscarab venomous scarab bramble gaurd hood metabolic boost natures grace soul transfusion noxcious gas blazing scarab frost scarab all as maxed as you can get them to excel at PvE for pking you need them to if you want to be effective with DOT and such also that being just venomancer form skills add fox form skills for pking and PvP and you have to have even more Spirit and coins for it also that being set aside no1 ever complained about a venomancer being OP b4 the nixes and hurcs came out like they do now a veno was able to still solo TT b4 then with a decent shaodo if needed for certain bosses at that but it was constant healing and a magmite for other bosses to a kowlin for luring also tip a sawfly was just as effective at killing as a dam nix was and nobody ever complains about my lvl 79 sawfly with ream as they think it isnt bad but you know what the effect being the dam same as my nix mind you it doesnt have ream lvl 4 at all and its lvl 60 or so but that being said i have people who fear my dam sawfly more then they do a nix and i have a scorpion for pking in secret passage they fear that more then my kowlin even! because i know how to pvp and pk and pve i do know how and i have also upgraded my pets skills to make them actually useful at lower lvls they dont do that much and you can die from mobs by drawing aggro that aside a BARB BM CLERIC ARCHER can kill a veno if they know what they are doing and genie skills being usful now for pking and preventing ream and such also there are pills!!! people used to use those before relying on charm packs to save their **** now they dont remember how they used to even get along without them and use a pot omg the concept or a pill WOW amazing how i survive in pk with those alone if i use a charm its because i wont have pills with me at that time so that being said a archer can 1 shot a veno if you play your cards right a barb can out last a well placed ream a cleric can omg its called purify not panic button then heal and sprk the veno to the ground hell a cleric hits about 3x harder then a veno with mag dmg wizz = insta kill veno with 3 well placed hits yes it take sthe 2 spark skill to reduce chan time to 0 but u killed me now wat the pet goes away no way to stop that archer = PvP gods phy dmg off the dam charts genie skill for massive metal dmg Treeof Protection = full hp again AND a skill to recover ALL sparks that being said (Rant over)
im not even gonna try to read that...0 -
Wall o text. Haven't seen one of those in awhile.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Damn...the secret of how a cleric can destroy a nix veno everytime, and it will never be read. Ever. EVER![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Changed my mind. Permanently Retired - Only here to troll.0 -
Veno with nix = Wiz and archer in one
Veno with herc = Cleric and barb in one[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
See its black and white now. It means I quit! How poetic and stuff.0
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