Necroing threads.

Tigriss - Heavens Tear
Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Chronicles
Why cant we necro an old thread?? Wouldn't it make sense to let us instead of us opaning a new one on the same topic??
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  • darkjagans
    darkjagans Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    it's ok if it's for a good reason or somthin i guess

    just that sometimes people add to pointless old QQ threads or threads that have been answered already without looking at the date
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    some also bump to brag, make fun of posters, or argue with posters who posted 5-6months back who dont actively post anymore.

    i think bumping threads to ask questions is dumb, if they cant find it, link the old thread to them so they can read. itd be nice if the forum had an archive section instead of a bunch of old piled rotting posts, so people could look without bumping, most of the time, someone repeats a point already stated in a thread and revives a flame fest that took ages to put out prior... like that infamous 87 page veno garbage thread.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    The reason is there could be a lot of old information and it starts heat up again on the same topic.It is better to start new one rather than as the saying goes open an old can of worms.
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  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why cant we necro an old thread?? Wouldn't it make sense to let us instead of us opaning a new one on the same topic??

    It's obvious, because no one wants to deal with all the zombies. Would you volunteer for some zombie slaying?
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  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I can't wait to one day necro this thread.
    The only way to win is to quit. b:bye
  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    I can't wait to one day necro this thread.

    Probably wont get a chance as soon as spoon gets on in the morning he will probably answer it and lock it.
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  • Ladydeadlock - Heavens Tear
    Ladydeadlock - Heavens Tear Posts: 366 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    some also bump to brag, make fun of posters, or argue with posters who posted 5-6months back who dont actively post anymore.

    i think bumping threads to ask questions is dumb, if they cant find it, link the old thread to them so they can read. itd be nice if the forum had an archive section instead of a bunch of old piled rotting posts, so people could look without bumping, most of the time, someone repeats a point already stated in a thread and revives a flame fest that took ages to put out prior... like that infamous 87 page veno garbage thread.
    Though I would say it's better to necro one ****ty thread, than start 87 new ones... Even though flame threads are useless, however... There are 6546541 threads asking same questions OR refering to old threads. Imo better to just bring life to old ones to continue discussion/receive answer to a question rather than starting new threads about same thing...
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    necroed threads make mikuru cry.
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  • Eunuch - Dreamweaver
    Eunuch - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Please, no more suzumiya pics. It's enough with kadokawa and kyoani trolling everyone with these **** "new episodes"...
  • Drazo - Dreamweaver
    Drazo - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,187 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Because it causes confusion and can start false/old rumours. Since most assume a thread they haven't seen before is new (without bothering to check the OP date) they may reply to other posters without realising that they haven't actually posted since (dead members), may have changed their opinion, ways, knowlegde, etc or won't check back for replies since the thread has been dead for so long (unless they subscribed to the thread and still have it, which most won't).

    Also if has been so long since the last reply, there's probably a good reason for that. Most necro replies are not very worthy anyway.
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  • Ophida - Dreamweaver
    Ophida - Dreamweaver Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Necroing is generally frowned upon as old threads tend to contain old information which can be out-dated. Also, necroing a thread pushes it to the front page of a forum and pushes newer posts down the list, which can make searching for up-to-date information harder for the forum user.

    This video outlines some other forum rules b:laugh
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  • Aquilonian - Dreamweaver
    Aquilonian - Dreamweaver Posts: 244 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I wondered the same thing because its actually the complete opposite in other kinds of forums where older adults participate.

    Although I feel the reason of outdated information is valid, I think the most influential reason behind it is simply "too long didn't read". An old thread could be 2-20 pages of discussion. A new one could give you the answer in 3 posts.

    Game forum readers are really lazy too and cant be bothered to use the search function. Some dont even know where it is. So even if you tell them to go look at old threads, they wont. So this method works here better.

    I think you reffer to people who react very, very silly, and take it personal when someone necros a thread. Dont mind them, if you look at their post history, they do that over anything an just like to QQ in general. Its fine.
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  • darkjagans
    darkjagans Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Well here's an good example of a thread being necroed (twice) just a while ago when it didn't need to be...

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=128581
  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why cant we necro an old thread?? Wouldn't it make sense to let us instead of us opaning a new one on the same topic??

    Because it's makes Tear's OCD run amok, and he whines and cries until we all stop just to make the high-pitched noises stop.

    Red
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  • Blindwiz - Sanctuary
    Blindwiz - Sanctuary Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Hmm, sometimes when a new player post some questions that were already discussed, others will tell him to use Search button instead of starting similar threads.

    If he searched for the thread and post a related question, people accuse him of necro-ing. How?
  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Since the mods *don't* lock all threads that are more than 7 days old, obviously posting new messages in old threads is acceptable.

    Don't read threads you dont want to read.

    I don't know about y'all, but I am able to pick the thread I want to read. Are you forced to read all the messages that appear on your screen, in the order they were posted?

    Red
    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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  • Tigriss - Heavens Tear
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear Posts: 760 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    But red go into the lower depts or find a closed thread here and you will see spoon complaining about necroing. I saw one thread where he is saying people are gonna start getting temp banned for necroing. He said if you see a subject you like start a new thread on it not .

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3492672&postcount=192

    here is the post
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    The last board I was in (where I modded) had an autolock feature. I wonder if it would be implementable here.

    Simply, threads that aren't posted in for X number of days are locked--not deleted or anything, just locked so they're accessible but no longer able to be posted in.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alphae - Lost City wrote: »
    The last board I was in (where I modded) had an autolock feature. I wonder if it would be implementable here.

    Simply, threads that aren't posted in for X number of days are locked--not deleted or anything, just locked so they're accessible but no longer able to be posted in.
    same with mine, then theyd be put in a forum section called ARCHIVES for anybody to go read anytime they wanted to refer back to relevant or irrelevant info.

    the community isnt very good at knowing where to put new questions in old threads as it is;
    Well here's an good example of a thread being necroed (twice) just a while ago when it didn't need to be...

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=128581
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    same with mine, then theyd be put in a forum section called ARCHIVES for anybody to go read anytime they wanted to refer back to relevant or irrelevant info.

    Well we didn't archive them. Think of it this way, if all the threads got dumped into one board it'd be harder to find one you want.

    For example you're looking for an old thread on archer tactics; if it's in the archer forum waiting for you it's a lot easier to find than if it's dumped in with QQ threads about venos, LC drama threads, and debates on FAC vs. FSC.
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  • Drazo - Dreamweaver
    Drazo - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,187 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    In a forum community I moderate, most of our offenders are just spammers but we do have visitors who post-and-run in dead threads, some are as old as 5 years, and generally we frown upon those. Most of us there are gamers to at least some degree but we're a lot more patient and it's still a general community.

    Each forum community has rules set by the founder(s) and/or administration and they're there for a good reason, so the moderation has to enforce them regardless of the pros and cons or personal preference.
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  • ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary
    ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alphae - Lost City wrote: »
    The last board I was in (where I modded) had an autolock feature. I wonder if it would be implementable here.

    Simply, threads that aren't posted in for X number of days are locked--not deleted or anything, just locked so they're accessible but no longer able to be posted in.

    I've seen several forums over the years that utilize this feature, it crushes necro attempts.

    However, on the flip side, the amount of users asking the same question (sometimes 2-3 times on the first page) goes through the roof.

    So autolocking threads is a bit of a double-edged sword on very active forums.
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary wrote: »
    However, on the flip side, the amount of users asking the same question (sometimes 2-3 times on the first page) goes through the roof.

    If they're asking the same question 2-3 times on the first page, then the autolock feature can't help anyway, as it's likely those threads have been posted within a single day.

    The board I was talking about, it differed from subsection to subsection, but for instance we had a -very- active off-topic board. Threads were autolocked there after having no posts for 7 days.
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Blindwiz - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hmm, sometimes when a new player post some questions that were already discussed, others will tell him to use Search button instead of starting similar threads.

    If he searched for the thread and post a related question, people accuse him of necro-ing. How?

    Simple. Search function is your friend. If you got your answer, no need to post on that thread. If you still have a question:

    Start new thread, explain your question, than link to the old one as a reference to what you read and to put your question into perspective.

    A good rule of thumb is: If the post has more than 2 pages, most likely there is a flamefest going on, and you should leave that thread alone and not revive it. Also, if the original post was made more than 6 months ago, you can pretty much leave it alone, since it is very old stuff.
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  • Drazo - Dreamweaver
    Drazo - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,187 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Also, some of you seem to be confused with necroing "old" vs. "dead" threads. AFAIK....

    Replying to old but still active threads = Ok
    Replying to dead (and especially long since dead) threads = Not ok

    It is better to check the date on the last post too than just the OP. Unfortunately once someone else replies, most will just check that and before you know it, most will think the thread is fresh and new or has never even died because it'll become progressively harder to find the last old post to see if the thread had been necro'd. The more new posts people see, the more they'll feel they can contribute.
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  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tigriss - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But red go into the lower depts or find a closed thread here and you will see spoon complaining about necroing. I saw one thread where he is saying people are gonna start getting temp banned for necroing. He said if you see a subject you like start a new thread on it not .

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3492672&postcount=192

    here is the post

    Oh, I agree - several mods here have said this.

    But they still don't lock old threads. So by omission, It's approved.

    I'm still trying to understand how posting in an old thread hurts *anyone*. It's a message board - we're not writing the Bill of Rights in ink here. You want to read a thread, click on it. You don't, don't click on it.

    It's not forced on you - change the channel.

    I suggest de-caf.

    Red
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm still trying to understand how posting in an old thread hurts *anyone*. It's a message board - we're not writing the Bill of Rights in ink here. You want to read a thread, click on it. You don't, don't click on it.

    Whether it hurts anyone or not, it's been stated as against the rules. Follow them, or don't. :/
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alphae - Lost City wrote: »
    Whether it hurts anyone or not, it's been stated as against the rules. Follow them, or don't. :/
    exactly, its especially horrible when someone feels the need to throw a match on an already put out flame fest and start it up again, most recently being isala's hercless veno thread.
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I think the most important thing is to use your brain. That seems to be a rare thing though. b:sad

    Bumping Isala's thread? Bad choice.

    Bumping a thread that never received an answer to try and get one for yourself? Questionable, but I'd probably reply if I knew the answer and let whoever it was know that it's more within the rules to start their own thread (especially if the thread is >1 week old).
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  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alphae - Lost City wrote: »
    Whether it hurts anyone or not, it's been stated as against the rules. Follow them, or don't. :/

    All the Mods have to do is enforce it.

    1)Alert the poster who "necroed" the thread

    2) Post definite rules - What constitutes necroing a thread? How many days from the last post till today is necroing a thread? 7 days is okay, but 8 is not? 3 weeks? 6 months?

    3) Lock threads that haven't been posted in for , say, 2 weeks. Problem Solved.

    See how difficult that is? All I ask for is some details here.

    Seems like "necroing a thread" depends on the subjective judgement of some posters who have a deep need to "ride herd" on the forum community.

    If it's against the rules, I'd like to see 'em spelled out in an enforcable way. Then I'd like to see the same people use the tools they have at their disposal to lock threads that are old, so people will *see* that the thread they are reading is too old, and they need to start another.

    Red
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