What is so bad about LA?

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the 3 vit arcane build and LA have the same mag

Just LA has higher crit rate, more defense, and possibly more HP due the shards and refines.

So tell me what is wrong with it?

LA:
3 mag 1 dex 1 str every level

Vit arcane:
3 mag 2 vit: No
3 mag 1 str 1 vit

Not that it is bad per-say, but it is mostly based on opinion. I personally believe it is not a viable end-game build.

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually no, the buildups doesn't have the same magic.

Athough on levels below 30 the difference is minimum, the gap between Arcane an Light Armored clerics becomes wider on higher levels.

For example, on level 69 the ranking of each build will be :

1st place : Full Mag Arcane Robes with 309 Mag
2nd place : 1-Vit Arcane Robes with 275 Mag
3rd place : 2-Vit Arcane Robes with 241 Mag
4th place : Full Mag Light Armor with 125 Mag

As you can see, Arcane buildups have magic than the Light Armor buildup.

I you wanna see each build's progression during the game, Check my Cleric Build-up Charts where you can have an overall impression of how each build behaves every time you level up.

Hmm lemme think......

Hyrbid: 3vit, 1str and 6mag per two lvls
LA: 2str, 2dex and 6mag per two lvls

Yup they seem to be equal when it comes to mag..

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmm lemme think......

Hyrbid: 3vit, 1str and 6mag per two lvls
LA: 2str, 2dex and 6mag per two lvls

Yup they seem to be equal when it comes to mag..

Check out the charts I made and you'll see those patterns are not always correct. Perhaps in the low levels they'll have similar mag, but on higher levels you'll find you won't be able to use certain equipments cause either you'll be low on Mag, Str or Dex.

No one is saying there is sayig anything bad about LA.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

Looky bellow:





Got it now? I was reffering to those two and 3 vit is great build for PvP.

b:quietand i was not refering to u i was refering to the 1 who did this thread :P

(i should have quoted beter T_T...lol)


i simply want to say the constant flaming is LA vs 1vit(maybe 2) or pure.... T_T

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

only LA has more crit and more pdef, and you will get plenty of HP from shards.

b:laugh, you dont get main HP from sharding..refining is the way for HP as cleric.
Considered that 90% of the mobs passed lvl 60 are magic only?Damn LA must be a pain in the ****.

2 Ironhearts and i could tank 4 mobs at the same time.
Lots of mag = strong healing power b:victory
-->Forgot that you are in the cleric section?

(At lvl 30, lvl 40, lvl 50 etc.)

Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2 Ironhearts and i could tank 4 mobs at the same time.
Lots of mag = strong healing power b:victory
-->Forgot that you are in the cleric section?

(At lvl 30, lvl 40, lvl 50 etc.)

Agreed. Physical mobs aren't a problem even with Arcane.
Just remembered me on a quest today. Needed to get 15 items of Hooded Adalwolves (Lv. 75 Melee's north of Dreamweaver Port). Another Cleric was next to me (Arcane too, like me) and he was using Plume Shell at every new mob. I just thought *what a waste of mp*, and i was right. He needed to meditate all 5 minutes. Just use Ironheart instead Plume Shell..These stuff is for PK/PVP/etc.

G_ree_n - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why don't you just give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it? b:infuriated

um...lol......?

Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »

Isnt that 215 at least from the LA cleric at level 69? Might be more for full mag LA.

I went with 213 mag at level 70 just to be able to wear TT70 wand... and I got 22 vit.

I double check the charts I made and the results are the same. At level 69 a Full Mag Arcane Cleric will have about 100 more points into Mag than the Full Mag LA cleric of the same level.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

nope i just think a 3 vit build is the best and i started thinking about why not LA?

Today I made the chart to the 3-Vit build (check my Cleric Buildup Charts to look at 'em) and I came to an interesting consluion:

At level 69 a 3-Vit Cleric will have 207 points on Mag, while a Full Mag LA Cleric will have 215. This means if you follow the 3 Vit, 1 Str, 6 Mag every two levels there will be some times where you won't be able to use some equipment when you reach that level, or wont be able to use some equipment at all if the gap keeps growing every time you level up.

Also means a hybrid cleric will do damage for about 2 levels below a Light Armored cleric of his same level. However, a LA cleric only has 5 on Vit while the Hybrid will have 107, wich is 34 more points on Vit compared to the 2-Vit Arcane build.

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually no, the buildups doesn't have the same magic.

Athough on levels below 30 the difference is minimum, the gap between Arcane an Light Armored clerics becomes wider on higher levels.

For example, on level 69 the ranking of each build will be :

1st place : Full Mag Arcane Robes with 309 Mag
2nd place : 1-Vit Arcane Robes with 275 Mag
3rd place : 2-Vit Arcane Robes with 241 Mag
4th place : Full Mag Light Armor with 125 Mag

As you can see, Arcane buildups have magic than the Light Armor buildup.

I you wanna see each build's progression during the game, Check my Cleric Build-up Charts where you can have an overall impression of how each build behaves every time you level up.

That must be a typo for 215 because I would have that if I had 3 vit.

I am lvl 70 LA Cleric here is my stats:

BASE STATS;
Vit; 7 (Was up to 17 by accident when I Was a noob, reset it back to 7)
Magic: 211
Dex: 73
Str: 73

HP Unbuffed: 2959
Pdef Buffed(Just cleric Buff): 3578
Pdef Buffed:(With BM buff) : 4823

MDef Buffed: ALL Resists = 4500+

Magic Dmg Buffed:3581- 4088

What the hell are people smoking who say LA is not viable.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You screwed up somewhere man.

And I see how he's **** up. o.o

He's not using the LA Build (3/1/1). He's trying to make up his own build where the amount of mag is the "highest" for a given level. Unfortunately, he can't use it to draw comparisons because no one uses it. It has other problems. According to his calcs, he needs 8 points at level 70 to use TT70 gear.... not going to work.

Frijolero, seriously, use the real LA build. Not this made up "Full Mag LA" build.

Edit: I just looked at the rest of his charts. It doesn't look like he's using the builds in his charts. I don't know what he's trying to prove, but it's invalid because he's not following the proper builds.

ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »

That must be a typo for 215 because I would have that if I had 3 vit.

I am lvl 70 LA Cleric here is my stats:

BASE STATS;
Vit; 7 (Was up to 17 by accident when I Was a noob, reset it back to 7)
Magic: 211
Dex: 73
Str: 73

HP Unbuffed: 2959
Pdef Buffed(Just cleric Buff): 3578
Pdef Buffed:(With BM buff) : 4823

MDef Buffed: ALL Resists = 4500+

Magic Dmg Buffed:3581- 4088

What the hell are people smoking who say LA is not viable.

Do you have some points unallocated? cause im doing the math and your total adds up to 364, you're missing a point. You should have 365 ont level 70. And you were right, I made a mistake, Should say 215 and not 125.

I haven't made the list from lvl 70+ equipment, so the 215 on level 69 is by using the current data I have. As soon as I get the rest I'm pretty sure I'll have to redistribute the points on those levels to match the requirements of the remaining equipment

Laranda - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And I see how he's **** up. o.o

He's not using the LA Build (3/1/1). He's trying to make up his own build where the amount of mag is the "highest" for a given level. Unfortunately, he can't use it to draw comparisons because no one uses it. It has other problems. According to his calcs, he needs 8 points at level 70 to use TT70 gear.... not going to work.

Still can be done cause the amount of points are the same, also there's no sustancial difference because you're gonna need to reach the same stats if you wanna use the equipment of that level.

The only difference is how the points are beign allocated, the 'normal' way follows a fixed method while mine does it dinamcially allocating points only when needed.

I'm not using TT or Legendary equipment on makin' the charts cause I don't havce access to them yet. I'm only using the equipment you can purchase or manufacture from the taylor and Blacksmith.If you have any TT or Legendary equipment, I'll aprreciate if you send me the info or them (name, level and stat requirement) and I'll add 'em to the charts to make' em more accurate.

Laranda - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Edit: I just looked at the rest of his charts. It doesn't look like he's using the builds in his charts. I don't know what he's trying to prove, but it's invalid because he's not following the proper builds.

The charts are following the builds, but not strictly. As I said on the thread, I'm allocating the points to enable all weapons and armors once you reach the level to unlock it.

If I were a LA cleric, I would like a Gang of Hooligans