What is so bad about LA?
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
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the 3 vit arcane build and LA have the same mag
Just LA has higher crit rate, more defense, and possibly more HP due the shards and refines.
So tell me what is wrong with it?
LA:
3 mag 1 dex 1 str every level
Vit arcane:
3 mag 2 vit
3 mag 1 str 1 vit
Just LA has higher crit rate, more defense, and possibly more HP due the shards and refines.
So tell me what is wrong with it?
LA:
3 mag 1 dex 1 str every level
Vit arcane:
3 mag 2 vit
3 mag 1 str 1 vit
Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
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Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »the 3 vit arcane build and LA have the same mag
Just LA has higher crit rate, more defense, and possibly more HP due the shards and refines.
So tell me what is wrong with it?
LA:
3 mag 1 dex 1 str every level
Vit arcane:
3 mag 2 vit: No
3 mag 1 str 1 vit
Not that it is bad per-say, but it is mostly based on opinion. I personally believe it is not a viable end-game build.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Actually no, the buildups doesn't have the same magic.
Athough on levels below 30 the difference is minimum, the gap between Arcane an Light Armored clerics becomes wider on higher levels.
For example, on level 69 the ranking of each build will be :
1st place : Full Mag Arcane Robes with 309 Mag
2nd place : 1-Vit Arcane Robes with 275 Mag
3rd place : 2-Vit Arcane Robes with 241 Mag
4th place : Full Mag Light Armor with 125 Mag
As you can see, Arcane buildups have magic than the Light Armor buildup.
I you wanna see each build's progression during the game, Check my Cleric Build-up Charts where you can have an overall impression of how each build behaves every time you level up.Sliding we go, only fear on our side. To the edge of the wire and we rush with the tide.
Although I'm still alive, pray to God I survive
How long on this longest day, 'til we finally make it through.
- June 6, 1944. The day earth stood still.
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Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually no, the buildups doesn't have the same magic.
Athough on levels below 30 the difference is minimum, the gap between Arcane an Light Armored clerics becomes wider on higher levels.
For example, on level 69 the ranking of each build will be :
1st place : Full Mag Arcane Robes with 309 Mag
2nd place : 1-Vit Arcane Robes with 275 Mag
3rd place : 2-Vit Arcane Robes with 241 Mag
4th place : Full Mag Light Armor with 125 Mag
As you can see, Arcane buildups have magic than the Light Armor buildup.
I you wanna see each build's progression during the game, Check my Cleric Build-up Charts where you can have an overall impression of how each build behaves every time you level up.
Hmm lemme think......
Hyrbid: 3vit, 1str and 6mag per two lvls
LA: 2str, 2dex and 6mag per two lvls
Yup they seem to be equal when it comes to mag..[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »Hmm lemme think......
Hyrbid: 3vit, 1str and 6mag per two lvls
LA: 2str, 2dex and 6mag per two lvls
Yup they seem to be equal when it comes to mag..
only LA has more crit and more pdef, and you will get plenty of HP from shards. Its not like you guys are wizards and have a choice between pure and LA.
Basically its vit and LA, why not get the extra crit %.
Then again magic hurts more so you might want to use robes but with the LA build you can use robes(might be a bit expensive keeping 2 pairs of armors though)Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »Hmm lemme think......
Hyrbid: 3vit, 1str and 6mag per two lvls
LA: 2str, 2dex and 6mag per two lvls
Yup they seem to be equal when it comes to mag..
Check out the charts I made and you'll see those patterns are not always correct. Perhaps in the low levels they'll have similar mag, but on higher levels you'll find you won't be able to use certain equipments cause either you'll be low on Mag, Str or Dex.Sliding we go, only fear on our side. To the edge of the wire and we rush with the tide.
Although I'm still alive, pray to God I survive
How long on this longest day, 'til we finally make it through.
- June 6, 1944. The day earth stood still.
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3vit, 1str and 6mag per two lvls
3 vit is too much
and the flaming thats aboout arcane and LA is not about this build that has 3 vit <.<.....its either about pure or 1 or 2 vit lol....<.<Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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No one is saying there is sayig anything bad about LA.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »and the flaming thats aboout arcane and LA is not about this build that has 3 vit <.<.....its either about pure or 1 or 2 vit lol....<.<
Looky bellow:Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »the 3 vit arcane build and LA have the same magFrijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually no, the buildups doesn't have the same magic..
Got it now? I was reffering to those two and 3 vit is great build for PvP.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »Looky bellow:
Got it now? I was reffering to those two and 3 vit is great build for PvP.
b:quietand i was not refering to u i was refering to the 1 who did this thread :P
(i should have quoted beter T_T...lol)
i simply want to say the constant flaming is LA vs 1vit(maybe 2) or pure.... T_TClerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »...
1st place : Full Mag Arcane Robes with 309 Mag
2nd place : 1-Vit Arcane Robes with 275 Mag
3rd place : 2-Vit Arcane Robes with 241 Mag
4th place : Full Mag Light Armor with 125 Mag
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Isnt that 215 at least from the LA cleric at level 69? Might be more for full mag LA.
I went with 213 mag at level 70 just to be able to wear TT70 wand... and I got 22 vit.0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »only LA has more crit and more pdef, and you will get plenty of HP from shards.
b:laugh, you dont get main HP from sharding..refining is the way for HP as cleric.
Considered that 90% of the mobs passed lvl 60 are magic only?Damn LA must be a pain in the ****.Originally written by Satchiko to me regarding old spice commercial :
Hello Perfect World. Look at your cleric, now back to me, now back to your cleric, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me. But if you stopped being a noob and started wearing sunglasses you could act like you're me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on Dreamweaver with the cleric your cleric could be like. What's in your hand, back at me. It's an inventory filled with the gear you want. Look again, the gear is now diamonds. Anything is possible with sunglasses. I'm flying on starter wings.0 -
99% of the mobs pre 60 are phys must be a pain in the **** for robes b:laughSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
2 Ironhearts and i could tank 4 mobs at the same time.
Lots of mag = strong healing power b:victory
-->Forgot that you are in the cleric section?
(At lvl 30, lvl 40, lvl 50 etc.)Originally written by Satchiko to me regarding old spice commercial :
Hello Perfect World. Look at your cleric, now back to me, now back to your cleric, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me. But if you stopped being a noob and started wearing sunglasses you could act like you're me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on Dreamweaver with the cleric your cleric could be like. What's in your hand, back at me. It's an inventory filled with the gear you want. Look again, the gear is now diamonds. Anything is possible with sunglasses. I'm flying on starter wings.0 -
WTB reset scroll b:cryFrijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually no, the buildups doesn't have the same magic.
Athough on levels below 30 the difference is minimum, the gap between Arcane an Light Armored clerics becomes wider on higher levels.
For example, on level 69 the ranking of each build will be :
1st place : Full Mag Arcane Robes with 309 Mag
2nd place : 1-Vit Arcane Robes with 275 Mag
3rd place : 2-Vit Arcane Robes with 241 Mag
4th place : Full Mag Light Armor with 125 Mag
As you can see, Arcane buildups have magic than the Light Armor buildup.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »2 Ironhearts and i could tank 4 mobs at the same time.
Lots of mag = strong healing power b:victory
-->Forgot that you are in the cleric section?
(At lvl 30, lvl 40, lvl 50 etc.)
nope i just think a 3 vit build is the best and i started thinking about why not LA?Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
G_ree_n - Sanctuary wrote: »WTB reset scroll b:cry
HA FAILb:angryClerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »2 Ironhearts and i could tank 4 mobs at the same time.
Lots of mag = strong healing power b:victory
-->Forgot that you are in the cleric section?
(At lvl 30, lvl 40, lvl 50 etc.)
Agreed. Physical mobs aren't a problem even with Arcane.
Just remembered me on a quest today. Needed to get 15 items of Hooded Adalwolves (Lv. 75 Melee's north of Dreamweaver Port). Another Cleric was next to me (Arcane too, like me) and he was using Plume Shell at every new mob. I just thought *what a waste of mp*, and i was right. He needed to meditate all 5 minutes. Just use Ironheart instead Plume Shell..These stuff is for PK/PVP/etc.0 -
Why don't you just give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it? b:infuriatedAlyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »HA FAILb:angry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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G_ree_n - Sanctuary wrote: »Why don't you just give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it? b:infuriated
um...lol......?Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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LA is a viable build but its not best suited to grinding- its not really meant to be! XD But if you pvp/TW alot its arguably one of the better builds (HP sharded).0
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Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »Isnt that 215 at least from the LA cleric at level 69? Might be more for full mag LA.
I went with 213 mag at level 70 just to be able to wear TT70 wand... and I got 22 vit.
I double check the charts I made and the results are the same. At level 69 a Full Mag Arcane Cleric will have about 100 more points into Mag than the Full Mag LA cleric of the same level.Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »nope i just think a 3 vit build is the best and i started thinking about why not LA?
Today I made the chart to the 3-Vit build (check my Cleric Buildup Charts to look at 'em) and I came to an interesting consluion:
At level 69 a 3-Vit Cleric will have 207 points on Mag, while a Full Mag LA Cleric will have 215. This means if you follow the 3 Vit, 1 Str, 6 Mag every two levels there will be some times where you won't be able to use some equipment when you reach that level, or wont be able to use some equipment at all if the gap keeps growing every time you level up.
Also means a hybrid cleric will do damage for about 2 levels below a Light Armored cleric of his same level. However, a LA cleric only has 5 on Vit while the Hybrid will have 107, wich is 34 more points on Vit compared to the 2-Vit Arcane build.Sliding we go, only fear on our side. To the edge of the wire and we rush with the tide.
Although I'm still alive, pray to God I survive
How long on this longest day, 'til we finally make it through.
- June 6, 1944. The day earth stood still.
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Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »I double check the charts I made and the results are the same. At level 69 a Full Mag Arcane Cleric will have about 100 more points into Mag than the Full Mag LA cleric of the same level.
Today I made the chart to the 3-Vit build (check my Cleric Buildup Charts to look at 'em) and I came to an interesting consluion:
At level 69 a 3-Vit Cleric will have 207 points on Mag, while a Full Mag LA Cleric will have 215. This means if you follow the 3 Vit, 1 Str, 6 Mag every two levels there will be some times where you won't be able to use some equipment when you reach that level, or wont be able to use some equipment at all if the gap keeps growing every time you level up.
Also means a hybrid cleric will do damage for about 2 levels below a Light Armored cleric of his same level. However, a LA cleric only has 5 on Vit while the Hybrid will have 107, wich is 34 more points on Vit compared to the 2-Vit Arcane build.
omg fail
LA gets its HP from sharding and refinement
you need 3 mag per level to wear up to date magic weapon. 3 vit build has 3 mag per level there should be no problem.
You screwed up somewhere man.
LA is about sacrificing damage for survivbility
a dead cleric cant heal or DD can they?
ya compared to a 1-2 vit build LA bites but isnt 3 vit the best choice and if you willing to add 3 vit every two levels why not go LA and get some more pdef/critSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »Actually no, the buildups doesn't have the same magic.
Athough on levels below 30 the difference is minimum, the gap between Arcane an Light Armored clerics becomes wider on higher levels.
For example, on level 69 the ranking of each build will be :
1st place : Full Mag Arcane Robes with 309 Mag
2nd place : 1-Vit Arcane Robes with 275 Mag
3rd place : 2-Vit Arcane Robes with 241 Mag
4th place : Full Mag Light Armor with 125 Mag
As you can see, Arcane buildups have magic than the Light Armor buildup.
I you wanna see each build's progression during the game, Check my Cleric Build-up Charts where you can have an overall impression of how each build behaves every time you level up.
That must be a typo for 215 because I would have that if I had 3 vit.
I am lvl 70 LA Cleric here is my stats:
BASE STATS;
Vit; 7 (Was up to 17 by accident when I Was a noob, reset it back to 7)
Magic: 211
Dex: 73
Str: 73
HP Unbuffed: 2959
Pdef Buffed(Just cleric Buff): 3578
Pdef Buffed:(With BM buff) : 4823
MDef Buffed: ALL Resists = 4500+
Magic Dmg Buffed:3581- 4088
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ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »That must be a typo for 215 because I would have that if I had 3 vit.
I am lvl 70 LA Cleric here is my stats:
BASE STATS;
Vit; 7 (Was up to 17 by accident when I Was a noob, reset it back to 7)
Magic: 211
Dex: 73
Str: 73
HP Unbuffed: 2959
Pdef Buffed(Just cleric Buff): 3578
MDef Buffed: ALL Resists = 4500+
Magic Dmg Buffed:3581- 4088
What the hell are people smoking who say LA is not viable.
also clerics can buff themselves (unlike wizards) to get their damage up and still have a good crit rate!
pwnage...Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »You screwed up somewhere man.
And I see how he's **** up. o.o
He's not using the LA Build (3/1/1). He's trying to make up his own build where the amount of mag is the "highest" for a given level. Unfortunately, he can't use it to draw comparisons because no one uses it. It has other problems. According to his calcs, he needs 8 points at level 70 to use TT70 gear.... not going to work.
Frijolero, seriously, use the real LA build. Not this made up "Full Mag LA" build.
Edit: I just looked at the rest of his charts. It doesn't look like he's using the builds in his charts. I don't know what he's trying to prove, but it's invalid because he's not following the proper builds.0 -
instead of looking at charts than can consit of mistakes, not saying they do aint really had a look. use http://ecatomb.net/character.php you choose ur gear weapon class ur lvl u allocate points were needed. I put mine in and seeing results for my level and gear i switched from pure to LA. check it outs its good b:victory0
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ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »That must be a typo for 215 because I would have that if I had 3 vit.
I am lvl 70 LA Cleric here is my stats:
BASE STATS;
Vit; 7 (Was up to 17 by accident when I Was a noob, reset it back to 7)
Magic: 211
Dex: 73
Str: 73
HP Unbuffed: 2959
Pdef Buffed(Just cleric Buff): 3578
Pdef Buffed:(With BM buff) : 4823
MDef Buffed: ALL Resists = 4500+
Magic Dmg Buffed:3581- 4088
What the hell are people smoking who say LA is not viable.
Do you have some points unallocated? cause im doing the math and your total adds up to 364, you're missing a point. You should have 365 ont level 70. And you were right, I made a mistake, Should say 215 and not 125.
I haven't made the list from lvl 70+ equipment, so the 215 on level 69 is by using the current data I have. As soon as I get the rest I'm pretty sure I'll have to redistribute the points on those levels to match the requirements of the remaining equipmentLaranda - Heavens Tear wrote: »And I see how he's **** up. o.o
He's not using the LA Build (3/1/1). He's trying to make up his own build where the amount of mag is the "highest" for a given level. Unfortunately, he can't use it to draw comparisons because no one uses it. It has other problems. According to his calcs, he needs 8 points at level 70 to use TT70 gear.... not going to work.
Still can be done cause the amount of points are the same, also there's no sustancial difference because you're gonna need to reach the same stats if you wanna use the equipment of that level.
The only difference is how the points are beign allocated, the 'normal' way follows a fixed method while mine does it dinamcially allocating points only when needed.
I'm not using TT or Legendary equipment on makin' the charts cause I don't havce access to them yet. I'm only using the equipment you can purchase or manufacture from the taylor and Blacksmith.If you have any TT or Legendary equipment, I'll aprreciate if you send me the info or them (name, level and stat requirement) and I'll add 'em to the charts to make' em more accurate.Laranda - Heavens Tear wrote: »Edit: I just looked at the rest of his charts. It doesn't look like he's using the builds in his charts. I don't know what he's trying to prove, but it's invalid because he's not following the proper builds.
The charts are following the builds, but not strictly. As I said on the thread, I'm allocating the points to enable all weapons and armors once you reach the level to unlock it.Sliding we go, only fear on our side. To the edge of the wire and we rush with the tide.
Although I'm still alive, pray to God I survive
How long on this longest day, 'til we finally make it through.
- June 6, 1944. The day earth stood still.
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I'm gonna have to double post cause dunno why but lost bout half on my last post cause didn't showed up.Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »omg fail
LA gets its HP from sharding and refinement
you need 3 mag per level to wear up to date magic weapon. 3 vit build has 3 mag per level there should be no problem.
You screwed up somewhere man.
LA is about sacrificing damage for survivbility
a dead cleric cant heal or DD can they?
ya compared to a 1-2 vit build LA bites but isnt 3 vit the best choice and if you willing to add 3 vit every two levels why not go LA and get some more pdef/crit
Shards and refining can be done by anyone to fix the build's flaw. They are common to all builds and because of that shards and refining are relevant and can be taken out from the equation.
If you wanna do an exact comparison of each build, you need to focus on the characteristics that are unique or critical for each build, that is, weapon, armor and Stat point distribution. Anything else is relevant.Sliding we go, only fear on our side. To the edge of the wire and we rush with the tide.
Although I'm still alive, pray to God I survive
How long on this longest day, 'til we finally make it through.
- June 6, 1944. The day earth stood still.
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If I were a LA cleric, I would like a Gang of Hooligans0
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Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »I'm gonna have to double post cause dunno why but lost bout half on my last post cause didn't showed up.
Shards and refining can be done by anyone to fix the build's flaw. They are common to all builds and because of that shards and refining are relevant and can be taken out from the equation.
If you wanna do an exact comparison of each build, you need to focus on the characteristics that are unique or critical for each build, that is, weapon, armor and Stat point distribution. Anything else is relevant.
robes dont refine as well as LA
Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0
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