When and what to replace Crystalline Magmite

Leonon - Sanctuary
Leonon - Sanctuary Posts: 15 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Venomancer
I recently finished my Culti 29 and got Summer Sprint and other awsome skills. I noticed that when using summer sprint I outrun my Crystalline Magmiteb:shocked

So now I need to find a replacement, so know any good pets for me?

P.S. Don't say Marksmen as I already plan on getting him

Thx in advanceb:victory
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  • kaine17
    kaine17 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    lol, even a cleric can outrun a mag ><
    You should keep it for a few more levels though, and depending on your build and server pet speed shouldn't matter that much yet.

    Well, that's just my opinion, don't take my word for it.
  • Leonon - Sanctuary
    Leonon - Sanctuary Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I thinking of replacing it with torgin brave, good idea?
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    We don't really know your playing style or needs, and I doubt many of us have bothered to become skilled at all pets/ styles.

    This site is nice for helping to pick pets: http://snowbloom.110mb.com/pi.htm

    It shows their growth charts, default skills, and other groups them.

    You're likely the best one to decide what's right for you.
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  • kaine17
    kaine17 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Leonon - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I thinking of replacing it with torgin brave, good idea?

    according to ecatomb (and pokemon), a mob that starts out at a higher level will be weaker than a mob within the same family with the same growth chart that starts at a lower level, when they get to the same level.
    ...my way of wording things is kinda confusing, sorry about that.
    Of course, if you're eventually not going to use any type of golem (by getting a herc or something) then yeah, torgirn brave comes with a free skill. All depends on what your playing style is.

    edit: http://www.ecatomb.net/petstat.php?pw=pwi
    Good place to compare pet stats at the same level (lvl90). However, it only includes some land pets.
  • FragiIe - Dreamweaver
    FragiIe - Dreamweaver Posts: 397 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Keep your mag..it is the best free tank in the game...you might want to consider upgrading your pet bag and get a shadou cub as well
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    FragiIe - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Keep your mag..it is the best free tank in the game...you might want to consider upgrading your pet bag and get a shadou cub as well


    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=336001
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  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I don't think we can say what the best tank is. There are different styles of gameplay. I like my Qingfu because it has a balanced set of stats. If the OP likes Magmites, then they should just keep the Crystaline since it has the best stats among golems.
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  • Erosis - Dreamweaver
    Erosis - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Torgirn does have a faster movement speed, but it takes a hit on all other stats. Also, it's even bigger than the Magmite, which makes it hard to click around.

    Keep the Magmite until at least Lv 40. That's when you'll start to see more magic users as opponents, which is the golem's big weakness. Even if you replace it as a main pet, though, I'd still keep it as a backup.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Don't forgret the puppet and it is faster.You might want to try that out.You might want to try antelope pup out.the only thing yuo can do is try and see what you like and this means revert and hatch rinse and repeat all the time.
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  • Arshies - Sanctuary
    Arshies - Sanctuary Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    If u dont wanna waste your money on a Herc then wait until fb59 and tame a Shikou Valorian lv60 is a magmite type and comes with Bashlv5, Sandlv2 and Toughlv2 and got more speed than the others.
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Arshies - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If u dont wanna waste your money on a Herc then wait until fb59 and tame a Shikou Valorian lv60 is a magmite type and comes with Bashlv5, Sandlv2 and Toughlv2 and got more speed than the others.

    If you are not going to get a herc, than might as well keep the best mag, and that is the cmag..... Why downgrade to a Valorian?
    You may want to also start leveling a secondary magic tank. Such tanks would be the Carapest of Terror, the Eldergoth Marksman (or sharpshooter), Antelup pup, frog
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  • kaine17
    kaine17 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If you are not going to get a herc, than might as well keep the best mag, and that is the cmag..... Why downgrade to a Valorian?
    You may want to also start leveling a secondary magic tank. Such tanks would be the Carapest of Terror, the Eldergoth Marksman (or sharpshooter), Antelup pup, frog

    Which magic tank you listed would you recommend the most?
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    kaine17 wrote: »
    Which magic tank you listed would you recommend the most?

    mmm tough choice.... From a long term perspective and for being able to work as good lurer and a ranged pet, I would say the Marksman/Sharpshooter.
    I also love my antelup pup, since it has very high damage and the best unbuffed mdef in game (together with the carapest). I keep both in my bag
    If you have the space, get both, pup starts at 30 and marksmen at 41, sharpshooter is 42.
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  • kaine17
    kaine17 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    thanks! cuz I have an antelope pup right now. Not sure how to make it keep aggro tho, every time I crit ironwood scarab the mob comes after me ._.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    kaine17 wrote: »
    thanks! cuz I have an antelope pup right now. Not sure how to make it keep aggro tho, every time I crit ironwood scarab the mob comes after me ._.

    Let it use the skills on the mob twice. Have the pup use icicle and howl before you hit the mob, than you should be safe if you hit the ocassional critical.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    One thing to realize is that there is very little use for magic tankers as tankers. Many bosses and mobs are mixed magic/phys. The magic tankers are almost solely useful for debuff lurers when all the fast phys mobs have been removed. I'd suggest getting a tanker with both good phys and mag defense: not just one or the other. The exception to this is the ranged pets which can avoid the physical attack of many bosses/ mobs.
    thanks! cuz I have an antelope pup right now. Not sure how to make it keep aggro tho, every time I crit ironwood scarab the mob comes after me ._.

    All applied skills appear to generate aggro even if they don't do damage. If you're in the habit of healing as soon as you kill a mob: stop. Try healing as your sending it to the next one instead.
    If you have the space, get both, pup starts at 30 and marksmen at 41, sharpshooter is 42.

    I think Sharpshooter is 46 =P
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    tweakz wrote: »

    I think Sharpshooter is 46 =P

    Probably, just been going through alot of pets lately and all the levels are start to meld....

    I also find magic tank useful as DDs against mobs that use magic aoes. That is the main reason I use a antelup over a carapest, since it has same mdef but higher attack, which comes in very handy when killing bosses than have magic aoes.
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  • Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I for one cannot stand the lumbering Rock that every single non-Herc Veno has at their side. For tanking I would go with an Overclocked Mechacrab at level 40 as they are tough, cute, and can easily keep up with even the fastest Veno. For a pulling and general pet a Sharptooth Wolf is a pretty good fit with decent tank, good speed, reliable attack damage and nice skills. Later a Kyuubi no Kitsune may be better though because they have more knock down power.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I was talking to this Veno this morning and it was using a torgirin brave and I asked not a C. Mag.The Venos response was I don't want to be like the other copy cat Venos out there with C or V Mag.This Veno wanted to be different as to using a Torgirin B.I would say if you are so use to using a golem give that test drive and they are faster

    Your C. Mag. might have great defences but it lacks the skill and speed of a T. Brave.Why spend the money to upgrade the skills as you can be spending time saving for a herc/nix.Then you can get the lvl 60 golem if you haven't gotten the herc or nix by then.
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  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Why spend the money? Because you can get the 2 million together to do some serious pet skill upgrades a whole lot earlier than you can viably get the 30 million (yay Dreamweaver prices) together to get a herc. Of course this brings up the argument of just using a higher golem, you lose stats but you get the skills, so if the stats aren't needed it's worth it, but since getting a herc becomes much easier at 63 (and arguably 53, although even more boring), the only time those skills are really worth adding to a golem is when they're lower. By the time you can use a Valorian you can get a herc.
  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Things were a lot simpler before the herc and nix came out. If a pet wasn't good enough on skills (most aren't), then it was no problem to just buy and upgrade its skills. Now everyone just spouts "Oh no! That's a waste of money! Buy a shop pet!" You know, some people just don't like shop items. In the same way that some Venos don't like to use a CMag just to be different, I don't want to use a shop pet. I take pride in buying and improving my Qingfu's skills. So what if I don't have the best pet possible! When will that even matter? Is there a competition I don't know about?

    Okay, I'm done ranting. b:shutup
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  • Feruta - Heavens Tear
    Feruta - Heavens Tear Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Baraya - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Things were a lot simpler before the herc and nix came out. If a pet wasn't good enough on skills (most aren't), then it was no problem to just buy and upgrade its skills. Now everyone just spouts "Oh no! That's a waste of money! Buy a shop pet!" You know, some people just don't like shop items. In the same way that some Venos don't like to use a CMag just to be different, I don't want to use a shop pet. I take pride in buying and improving my Qingfu's skills. So what if I don't have the best pet possible! When will that even matter? Is there a competition I don't know about?

    Okay, I'm done ranting. b:shutup

    You are only level 3X. You will find out in about 30 levels.
  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    While that rant holds merit, it's not the viewpoint of someone making a post asking when to replace a magmite and what to replace it with. By the very nature of the question the person asking it is what their best options would be, which in most cases does include a herc or phoenix.
  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Oh, excuse me for commenting on other posts in this thread. Man, the forums suck now. Where did the cool people go?
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Baraya - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oh, excuse me for commenting on other posts in this thread. Man, the forums suck now. Where did the cool people go?

    My flashy siggy blinded them. b:pleased
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  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    When to replace a C.Mag or V.Mag?

    You have a Shaodu or herc? no , so never

    at higher levels, Torgrim and valorian cant hold a candle to a V or C Mag.

    They do have upgraded skills, but lower Hp and Deffs

    When you ll be in your 70s , that difference is

    Torgrim takes one less hit than a C or V before dying

    Valorian takes 2 less hits

    Regarding other pets

    - Shaodu cub is a really good pet, less damages than a magmite but higher deffs (slightly lower p deff, much higher m deff)

    - Snow hare , good magical tank and debuffs. dont keep it after 60

    - Scorps , fast, strong damages, low defenses.

    - Antellopes, floras ans such .. you really want to uses them?? other than for fashion....

    - Eldergots, Crabs, Adawolves overall good tanks.. but no real good reason to replace a C or V with them.


    You want to know what pet is good for you? think in advane..

    - What pet will serve me best in TT and Fb after lv 60 ?
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    - Eldergots, Crabs, Adawolves overall good tanks.. but no real good reason to replace a C or V with them.

    At level 85 my Eldergoth can probably tank a World Boss, has tanked Thousand Year Spirit, Pyrosteosis, Empyrean Slither (solo w/o pots or charm), and many others a C.Mag may never do. What can a C.Mag do that another pet can't?
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    tweakz wrote: »
    At level 85 my Eldergoth can probably tank a World Boss, has tanked Thousand Year Spirit, Pyrosteosis, Empyrean Slither (solo w/o pots or charm), and many others a C.Mag may never do. What can a C.Mag do that another pet can't?

    Hold aggro off EVERYTHING. *cough* And survive while doing it.
  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    tweakz wrote: »
    At level 85 my Eldergoth can probably tank a World Boss, has tanked Thousand Year Spirit, Pyrosteosis, Empyrean Slither (solo w/o pots or charm), and many others a C.Mag may never do. What can a C.Mag do that another pet can't?

    You know those numbers.

    Eldergoth Marksman 41 (422 755) 2856 3162 6271 6841 1757 1171 0.5 7.8

    Crystalline Magmite 17 (486 967) 2934 3240 8792 5861 1354 1003 0.6 6.2

    So lets say.. C. Mag.. at same level (90) 80 Hp more, 80 Damages more, 2500 P Def more, 1000 M Def less, 400 accuracy less, 170 evade less

    So ... let see the boss names you gave.

    Emp slither.; i did with my mag (before being 74)
    Pirosthei .. isnt a problem (Gaurnob and his friend are)

    1000 year.. never tried with a golem.. but killed him first time at 77 with herc..

    But eden boss are easy.. Brimstone ones.. are a little more a pain in the ..
    (Being sage.. i had to do brimstone)

    Dont think on using you elder in brimstone, nor in TT 3-1 squad (golem neither)

    The goal of having a good pet is too:
    1 - solo some TT / FB (solo TT squad mode, be it to equip yourself and friends or making money)
    2 - Tanking some mobs in TT squad mode with your friends

    -golem cant take Drum master in 60 - 68 squad mode / Golem being on par level ( 60 - 70) ; Golem will die 1 out of 3 time on feng in solo mode 74 (golem being 74-75)
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

    Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You know those numbers.

    Eldergoth Marksman 41 (422 755) 2856 3162 6271 6841 1757 1171 0.5 7.8

    Crystalline Magmite 17 (486 967) 2934 3240 8792 5861 1354 1003 0.6 6.2

    So lets say.. C. Mag.. at same level (90) 80 Hp more, 80 Damages more, 2500 P Def more, 1000 M Def less, 400 accuracy less, 170 evade less

    Pdef is pretty irrelevant for range tanking unless it's a rare phys range boss/mob like Stygean. Dmg is irrelevant if tank can't survive. ACC isn't very relevant if healing a lot. The numbers game doesn't apply well to ranged vs melee.
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