When and what to replace Crystalline Magmite
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Or archers, which seem to hit harder when range tanked vs tanked up close (with the same pet).
And, while I like my marksman, talking about it beating pyro at 80? A real tank can just get up close to it, and do it at 73. But, if you can get protect on an Eldergroth I think it's usefulness would go up a ton. I've seen lots of range mobs that are more dps tanking from range with an ape than tanking up close with a herc/magmite.0 -
Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »When to replace a C.Mag or V.Mag?
You have a Shaodu or herc? no , so never
at higher levels, Torgrim and valorian cant hold a candle to a V or C Mag.
They do have upgraded skills, but lower Hp and Deffs
When you ll be in your 70s , that difference is
Torgrim takes one less hit than a C or V before dying
I don't know as my Torgirins seem to be able to with stand a lot and we are talking non upgraded.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
I use a crystalline magmite my lvl with lvl 4 bash and lvl 4 flesh ream. Tanks very well, i never steal aggro with my pure mag build and acalanatha wand and does great at TT and architect.
My opinion? Keep it untill you get hercules.
Rule no.1on MY PET MANUAL: lvl 18 crystal magmite, followed by hercules are best choice for 95% of all solo game tanking. Rest of 5% are only there to confirm the rule.0 -
Summary: I think u dont need replace your magmite even if u get a Herc save it as a second pet[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Arshies - Sanctuary0 -
Summary: I think u dont need replace your magmite even if u get a Herc save it as a second pet
I can find a use for all 10 pet slots, and a purpose for all those pets, but there is no reason I can find to have a magmite.Rule no.1on MY PET MANUAL: lvl 18 crystal magmite, followed by hercules are best choice for 95% of all solo game tanking.
There are a handful of better tanks than a crystalline magmite.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
tweakz, please name 2 only, from that "handful".
Because i spent alot of time raising various pets to lvl 60+ just so i cna find an alternative for golem. Guess what? I only found Eldergoth Marksman to be a back-up only tank for the golem.
Also, the above was correct: magmite should be kept as alternate tank if you have hercules.0 -
I can find a use for all 10 pet slots, and a purpose for all those pets, but there is no reason I can find to have a magmite.
There are a handful of better tanks than a crystalline magmite.
I think u hates magmites and u are trying argue us for replace ours...... but she is asking about when and what to replace magmite.
I understood she wants a new tank pet with physical defense and new skills or more lvl skills if she cant afford a Herc or a Shadou Cub she has no reason to replace it
When and what replace a pet: when u find another better pet (better stats)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Arshies - Sanctuary0 -
Rule no.1on MY PET MANUAL: lvl 18 crystal magmite, followed by hercules are best choice for 95% of all solo game tanking. Rest of 5% are only there to confirm the rule.
-Statements like this are what **** people off. I wasted a fortune on a crystalline magmite because if such misinformation.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
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MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't know as my Torgirins seem to be able to with stand a lot and we are talking non upgraded.
I talk non upgraded..
but Torgrim brave or valorian do come with upgraded skill compared to V and C magmites;)
(Brave with Bash 2 or 3 , valorian bash 5 ... )I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.
Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.0 -
-Statements like this are what **** people off. I wasted a fortune on a crystalline magmite because if such misinformation.
My dear tweakz, I spent a lot of time reading many of your posts to see if your are a flamer or just plain stupid. I was happy to see you are far from either.
Could you please tell me what "misinformation are you talking about? I have tried your wonder eldergoth, in fact i actually use it as main lurer, backed up by a kowlin. It cannot, I repeat, it can NOT be compared to the CM for the simple reason that the golem can tank multiple(2-4,5) targets with success, and the eldergoth may probably manage 2 targets, but at 3 it will most likely die. And pray that you do not have among those 2-3 targets an "increased attack" one, let alone a "sacrificial assault" one.
Pure example: I have a lvl 73 golem and a lvl 73 eldergoth marksman. I have tried to see how many normal type Seaweed Thief (earth type physical mobs lvl 72) can i kill:
In duo (me and pet) untill i need to heal pet:
Result: golem - 5, relaxed(some hp left) eldergoth - 3 barely(died once).
Alone (just pet) until it needs to be healed:
Result: golem - 3, relaxed(some hp left) eldergoth - 1 relaxed(some hp left).
Golem used in both cases bash lvl 4 (i have flesh ream on him too, but not used it), while eldergoth used his native bash lvl 4, of course. I have tried also this: use range attack of eldergoth THEN activate bash, thus gaining one hit before mob closes in, unfortunately, even if i hoped, the result sstayed the same.
Then, i switched to the lovely magic mobs: the hare. Please notice that in this case (as you have extremely well underlined) the eldergoth has a higher magic defense(note i'm not using any sarcasm, just stating facts, i love tests), and the obvious thing would be to think that the golem will fall behind on this matter.
Well, here are the results:
Me and pet, until pet needs heal:
Results: golem - 3 bunnies eldergoth - 2 bunnies
Pet alone, until pet needs heal:
Result: golem - 2 bunnies eldergoth - 1.5 bunnies why? cause he died in half cases on second bunny.
Satisfied? "misinformation" If your opinion is different, it means its your personal opinion, not the right opinion. I might say just as well that you are misinforming people, if you put it like that. So don't flame my personal information, because i might take your example and cloth from Terms of Service and point out that you are doing same thing you complained that other do to you.
Like I said, if you don't like an opinion, get over it, don't say it is "misinformation". Don't be so sure someone will not come in let's say 3 months from now and blow away all that you say with his "accurate information", and consider all that you said simple "misinformation".
I hope i was crystal clear. No offense, i love your work on pets, and I am looking forward to learn some more from what you share. Just keep in mind: keep it real, or will spoil all that hard earned info.0 -
HimeJunsei - Sanctuary wrote: »I hope i was crystal clear. No offense, i love your work on pets, and I am looking forward to learn some more from what you share. Just keep in mind: keep it real, or will spoil all that hard earned info.
"I hope I was crystal clear." No pun intended?Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Could you please tell me what "misinformation are you talking about?
Statement was quoted in original context.It cannot, I repeat, it can NOT be compared to the CM for the simple reason that the golem can tank multiple(2-4,5) targets with success, and the eldergoth may probably manage 2 targets, but at 3 it will most likely die. And pray that you do not have among those 2-3 targets an "increased attack" one, let alone a "sacrificial assault" one.
First, you'd be implying that a Golem is an ideal grind pet. I would argue against that issue first. Second, I think you may be making the mistake of grinding on phys mobs with the Eldergoth when it's better at handling magic ambushes?Then, i switched to the lovely magic mobs: the hare. Please notice that in this case (as you have extremely well underlined) the eldergoth has a higher magic defense(note i'm not using any sarcasm, just stating facts, i love tests), and the obvious thing would be to think that the golem will fall behind on this matter.
If you're killing quicker with a Magmite, this could account for the difference. I'm also not that concerned about the issue of Magmite vs Marksman for grinding. I'd never consider the Magmite a grinding pet, and don't often use the Marksman as it may seem.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
What is a good grinding pet excluding herc /nix and rares?Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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I use crystalline magmite[17] and eldergoth marksman[41]. For water i use mainly turtle(any lvl is nice, i recomend the lvl 51 one, since you are 54). Those are my personal choices, after i tried overall, over 40 pets so far.
@IceJazmin: I don't know what to say. But anyone should realize that if the vast majority of venomancers use the golem it means it actually works, not because someone has told them to use it and they are blindly using it. And this is the simple suggestion that tweakz is making, imo. I might be wrong, i hope I am wrong, because I would feel hurt, as a golem user. But you know what they say: there is no smoke without fire, so there must be something good about this magmite pet:P.0 -
Statement was quoted in original context.
First, you'd be implying that a Golem is an ideal grind pet. I would argue against that issue first. Second, I think you may be making the mistake of grinding on phys mobs with the Eldergoth when it's better at handling magic ambushes?
If you're killing quicker with a Magmite, this could account for the difference. I'm also not that concerned about the issue of Magmite vs Marksman for grinding. I'd never consider the Magmite a grinding pet, and don't often use the Marksman as it may seem.
Aw come on man, can't you really take an argument as it is?
Red color: I am not implying anything, you are having illusions.
Orange color: You are arguing a non existing issue.
Yellow-Green color: I have compared both physical mobs and magic mobs, read more careful.
At second paragraph, need i remind you how you trash the golem and proclaim the wonderful eldergoth?
Overall, this is the last post I address you, since you are proving you are capable of inventing reasons for the sake of arguing, and you are not capable of restraining yourself from doing it. To prove it, all you have to do is respond to this post.
L.E.: Also, sorry for the off-topic, but tweakz asked for it, quite persistently, while I was only trying to help by sharing my personal and in-game friends experience.0 -
HimeJunsei - Sanctuary wrote: »@IceJazmin: I don't know what to say. But anyone should realize that if the vast majority of venomancers use the golem it means it actually works, not because someone has told them to use it and they are blindly using it. And this is the simple suggestion that tweakz is making, imo. I might be wrong, i hope I am wrong, because I would feel hurt, as a golem user. But you know what they say: there is no smoke without fire, so there must be something good about this magmite pet:P.
I could not resist, sorry, the all "I hope is it CRYSTAL clear" line when talking about the Crystaline Mag just made me laugh.
I love my CMag, I have had it in situatiosn where I was sure it (and I) would get killed, and it always pulls through.. Like a 2-2 subbed when I was mid 70s where the 2 other Hercs get killed at astralwalker, so my golem had to tank it long enough for the other venos to res their hercs and regain aggro... We even had the cleric bail out because we were sure we would all die, but the golem held on long enough for one of the venos to res their pet (after having to move to a new location), heal it, rebuff it, than regain aggro from the golem.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
HimeJunsei - Sanctuary wrote: »Red color: I am not implying anything, you are having illusions. ...
You did, by answering the question OP with your post you did imply that the CM is the best choice for a pet, in general, which includes grinding.
You're free to to state your no.1 rule, what I don't see why you're so upset about people reacting to it.0 -
You did, by answering the question OP with your post you did imply that the CM is the best choice for a pet, in general, which includes grinding.
You're free to to state your no.1 rule, what I don't see why you're so upset about people reacting to it.
Well, in all fairness, a C-Mag does have a decent DPS, as well as good survivability, so it is a good choice for a grinding pet.0 -
Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, in all fairness, a C-Mag does have a decent DPS, as well as good survivability, so it is a good choice for a grinding pet.
Even a squishy scorpion can handle 4 same level mobs at a time and still allow for me to cast some magic damage in between heals, so not sure survivability has much to do with grinding. Most grinding with non legendary pets on same level mobs is done one on one. Howl on a pet can be as or more effective than the difference in DPS of pets. If using howl, you want a fast pet that can put the debuff on the mob before your first hit, so magmites aren't ideal for it's use. Since DPS and Survivability appear to bear little importance in grinding, we should consider other things like speed, and aim obstruction. The size of the golem makes it more difficult to target your next mob which slows people down. It's speed hinders it from pulling ambush mobs off you, leaves it vulnerable to ranged attack longer, and slows down the killing.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Even a squishy scorpion can handle 4 same level mobs at a time and still allow for me to cast some magic damage in between heals, so not sure survivability has much to do with grinding. Most grinding with non legendary pets on same level mobs is done one on one. Howl on a pet can be as or more effective than the difference in DPS of pets. If using howl, you want a fast pet that can put the debuff on the mob before your first hit, so magmites aren't ideal for it's use. Since DPS and Survivability appear to bear little importance in grinding, we should consider other things like speed, and aim obstruction. The size of the golem makes it more difficult to target your next mob which slows people down. It's speed hinders it from pulling ambush mobs off you, leaves it vulnerable to ranged attack longer, and slows down the killing.
The best mobs to grind on while on land are physical mobs, since you can pack them together and aoe grind. You do not need a herc to do that, if you keep the number of mobs down to 4 or 5. Also, the other important part of aoe grind is to find the best spot to do that, and that is not in the middle of a field with magic ranged mobs, so the all "magic ambush" part is irrelevant.
The Golem speed is also irrelevant, since you have a few mobs on him at any given time, and as soon as one dies you move the golem to the next mob, as you are still hitting the few that are him, so as long as the golem can pick aggro from a new mob, before you finish off the last one on him, you are still good. The bonus of grinding on physical damage mobs is that you get a bonus of exp for killing mobs with increased magic attack stat, which does nothing on the patk mobs..... If you grind on Matk mobs, than all "bonus stats" apply to them, therefore you have 3 mobs with stats that increase damage types instead of only 2.
Personaly I do 2-3 mobs on golem, never had an issue with him being slow and it averages out over time. When I use my pet with howl, I need to keep the number of mobs to 1-2 tops, since it would be pointless to use howl and not be able to cast spells. Overtime, the exp I gain is the same, no matter if I use a golem to aoe grind or my debuff pet with howl.
For most instances, it comes down to playing style for which works best. Stats wise, on paper, you have golem as ptank, antelup and carapest as Mtank, cub as a balanced tank. Both the golem and the antelup also have th e advantage of fairly high damage (both in the top 6 for damage dealers). For pure damage, scorpion.
Once you go past these pets, it comes down to personal preference. Like the people that prefer to tank physical mobs with a crab instead of a golem, even though the **** has less pdef, but they like its smaller size and the noises it makes.
There are plenty of physical mobs for all levels to make a pdef tank/dd the best choice for grinding. Also, patk mobs will bunch up around the tank, unlike matk mobs which will keep their range, making it almost impossible to hit all the ones attacking the tank with a aoe spell, it also means the pet has to travel between mobs it is killing when grinding on magic mobs, instead of just behind able to turn a little and hit a new mob when tanking several physical ones.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
This is getting very overwhelmed for the op I would say to him if still like playing with your C Mag do so.You could give T Brave shot and see how you like it since you are use to golems anyway.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, in all fairness, a C-Mag does have a decent DPS, as well as good survivability, so it is a good choice for a grinding pet.
In all fairness, that sounds rather different from what was posted earlier.
There are many good choices, and each can choose those that fit their requirements and playstyle best. Exhanging these personal choices and experiences can give new insights and possibly methods to approach the game and it's 'challenges'.
Happy hunting.0
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