Clerics SPEND more on others, give them something in return

Again the whole mp charm arguement can be made for the wiz with zhenning or doing gv. Take your pick. It sounds like you don't spend enough time making your high lvl appo stuff. Try farming and making the +HP/sec and +MP/sec plus pots off mobs and all the recovery appo stuff. Charms are a right not a privelage lol. Wiz skills cost more so again it's not that big a deal and overall it sounds like you are just getting used to the higher lvl stuff.

But i know it wont change so yeah its already a lost argument.

That is the role of a cleric. If you dont like it, play a different class.

Also if clerics were enabled them "charitable rewards" they would just stand there all day spamming macros on eachother.

My my what funny things some people say... Please don't take offense, but... Can make 30 levels in 2 days. Is that playing 72 hrs straight?:) Re: the idea that Clerics and Wizards are equal money wise. My level 22 Wiz has more money (CASH on hand) than my level 45 Cleric has ever had.

I would like to thank those that have voted yes to giving some kind of benefit to clerics for being helpful, that is very kind of you and I was certainly pleased that more people have voted for that. As well as those that voted no, because we chose that role to play (without rudely stating same).

To those of you disdainful, abusive and regard clerics as "support" staff, I'd have to say that you don't really understand "teamwork".

Teamwork is a big thing in PW, that's how we all do things in it.

It certainly isn't real exciting at times clicking Ironheart 100 times while someone else kills a boss, but I do enjoy helping people (and my team) succeed.

So, thank you very much, but I don't want anything more (except teleport charges if speed is requested). A polite request and a ty when I've helped is all the reward necessary.

i think the chance of this will help the cleric's to become a nicer player to play with I'm a cleric and it suck to die and no one comes and help b:angry so please people give some credit to us

I hope you realise that you don't have to be a cleric, and you don't have to res people or heal the or buff the or whatever. It's your choice on what class you choose to be, and if you choose a cleric, which is 90% of the time a support class, you are going to be asked to res and heal and buff people, and if they implement a reward for resing another player, it can and will be abused, and I think this is a stupid idea.

In a nutshell, if you don't want to res someone, don't. Making a reward for ressing someone is a stupid idea.

If I don't feel like traveling to rez someone I don't bottom line. If I'm standing right there though I usually will, even if it costs me some mp provided they ask nicely. In fact yesterday I even went into 2-1 to rez a squad of guildmates because I was so elated on having wrapped up a long WQ I felt I'd share the love. After rezzing someone gave me a couple dolls. Seriously what a thoughtful gift. I mean that person could clearly have used them themself, but recognized it would do the squad no good so waited for me. Now I have the equivalent of a cleric rez in return for the favor.

I strongly feel the biggest problems people have with clerics, rez and buffs is the charm usage. I can't say it enough. 3 things will solve the whole problem and make clerics a more level playing field in terms of RL cash.

1) Make MP Charms tick at 25% or 50% so we can throw a pot or two in every now and again to offset charm use. 75% is too high and doesn't allow for fast enough pot use especially when you fire off a buff or attack macro.

2) Make Blue Bubble so it isn't in attack mode reducing mp regen by 25%. This would allow us to pot and use BB or to offset some by apoth. potions.

3) Allow clerics a skill to self rez. Make it a level 11 rez skill. (Like with the buffs). After level 10 rez you can learn a skill to self rez. It has a cool down of one hour.

If you feel that these changes will help then submit a ticket to gms requesting. They will see buy in and want from a large community, not just one or two voices, and perhaps will make the change knowing so many people are requesting it.

Lastly I love the people who love to brag about how quick they level. Love it. Keep the stories coming. I leveled a mage to 67 in 4 days. I got a cleric to level 43 in 9 hours. You know, ya just need to know what you're doing. Anyone can do it. I threw a 97 yard touchdown pass and caught it myself. That's how awesome I am. Please save it. No one wants to hear your video game glory story.

I don't know why we're chewing this guy out, he has a point. Maybe not rep or anything, but they should get a little something for helping people. nothing too big, maybe a little exp and some spirit, like you get when you pick up herbs and ore. I wouldn't know, I don't have a cleric. But they're right, too, that's what clerics are designed to do and if they lessened the mp cost it would make the game too easy
every class has disadvantages, that's yours. I, for one, am tired of running around in circles trying to get away from a wraith because the wiz doesn't take much damage. just saying.

I haven't the faintest clue why this thread caught my eye. I rarely check the forums as it is.

To the poster above me: Amen!
After scanning through a few replies I decided that if I were to facepalm every deserving person I don't think I'd be able to write this message.

The classes are designed as they are, no-one is ever going to be completely satisfied so just take it as it comes, deal with it how it is and PLAY THE DAYUM GAME.

OR if you really want to have fun PLAY A BM! b:chuckle

As the saying goes que que que some more more more. And then break me off a piece of that.

PS. To the whatchusay way back who wrote 'clerics are the weakest, but ..... (fill in with nonsensical bs reasoning)'
I know some clerics that would make your backside hurt more than if you were to make friendly with a lusty male elephant.

And before anyone even thinks to **** on me for not having rolled a cleric:
TrickyPony: level 71 EX-Cleric

i love clerics and all but i don't think they should get extra benefits for doing something onli a cleric can do. yes, you use alot of mp but thats what apo items are for, you don't even have to buy mp pots, make them by farming herbs.
all classes have their dilemma with money.
*barb uses alot of money for hp charm and repair fees. when a cleric dies, the barb can usually hp-charm tank the boss till the cleric runs bak = bb charm. and all clerics will die for barb hp buff, so i guess you can trade buffs
*bm also takes tons of repair just from normal grinding and they have a pdef buff that is really helpful.
*wizards use as much mp as cleric if not more
*venos also use mp to heal pet and to afford a herc or phoenix...alot of money
*archers uses hp charm usually since they can't heal themselves and although i believe our buff is the least useful, clerics and wiz always want the speed buff in dungeons. also, casting one skill is like 1/4 of our mp gone so our mp charm ticks much more

*note, i am jealous of clerics becuz they don't have to waste their hp charms in cube doin the 100 sec rooms...you wouldnt believe how much charm is wasted in those rooms

---all classes have their disadvantages and advantages, you chose the class so live with it.b:victory

The cleric's reward is in its ease for finding parties.
I've never heard of a cleric fall behind on quests/bosses unless it was voluntary.

If anything, I think barbs have it rougher.

Just so no one has to scroll back to see my stance I don't think we (playing a level 71 cleric atm) deserve rep for buffs, heals, etc. Exp and spirit will amount to nothing anyways so it's a moot point. I mean seriously at level 71 getting 100 exp for a rez won't even register so why bother. No need. If we're healing someone else it's usually in a party and we split exp and spirit for the kill because we're not attacking (or lending a few hits/debuffs). If it's just us solo we get the exp and spirit for the kill. Not sure what the big deal is as someone who now exclusively plays a cleric.

I have however made some suggestions I think that will improve cleric game play and make them on even footing for CS reliance. (Blue Bubble is ridiculous. No barb or BM can even talk about expenses when BB is used). I suggest if you agree on my ideas (posted within this thread)send a ticket to GMs so they know it has the popular vote and maybe they'll get implemented. The squeeky wheel gets the grease.

As for the "roll another class" crew. Well that's just a dumb response. This is a MMORPG that people play for a myriad of different reasons. Me, I play to relax and escape work when the sun isn't out and I can't be hiking, skiing, golfing, climbing, sailing, etc. The last thing I need is for someone to tell me what my "job" is. If I want that I'll go to work. b:pleased I play the character as I like and if I want to heal you or buff you it's my choice. Now coincidentally I do a lot of FB and TT runs so healing and buffs are a must and is part of my role. Nothing goes smoother then a run where everyone knows their role. But I will say I've been on FB runs with a bunch of noobs and rambos who go charging in at the expense of my charm then QQ when their health drops or they die. Or who demand a buff if they were **** around and wouldn't gather for AoE buffs. To them I "choose" to say **** you. I don't allow others to **** my charm with their stupidity. So in that regard I don't always do my "job", but that's just it. It's not a job because I'm not getting paid in RL. I'm playing to enjoy myself and relax so I'll play whatever class I want as I see fit. Nuff said.