Is this game ubalanced?

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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e727affb06ae9802

    Here is your base damage:
    3569-6711

    A level 79 sawfly has 2004 hp and 5188 mdef and pdef, which should come to about 62% reduction.

    So your damage range on the sawfly should be (if we assume no pvp reduction)
    1356.22 - 2550.18
    That means on average you should hit it for about 1953.2.

    Since Sawfly has 2004 hp, you should not be one-hitting them very often. You would have to do damage on the high end of your damage curve in order to one-hit a sawfly.

    Now, if we were to take into account an additional 75% reduction the numbers would look like this:
    339.055 - 637.545 for an average hit of 488.3

    Too bad you are on a different server, or we could test this really quickly :)
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  • Osiris - Dreamweaver
    Osiris - Dreamweaver Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Now, if we were to take into account an additional 75% reduction the numbers would look like this:
    339.055 - 637.545 for an average hit of 488.3

    THIS is the damage i do on a sawfly. Lucky crits can make it easier tho.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    venos are not op. theyre not "easy" either. i've met quite a few venos with nix and herc who completely suck at pvp and/or pve.
  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    u guys forgot wizards are underpowred =_=
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    THIS is the damage i do on a sawfly. Lucky crits can make it easier tho.

    Well, that quickly solved the issue :)
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  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    And for those that claim other classes cant solo boss there level range. My cleric and BM did 90% of there bosses solo so far. They are both level 41 now.

    since a picture is worth more than words.
    2009-06-2218-50-58.jpg
    working it Q_Q
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Pfft, a wizard can solo Farng at level 32. Just requires a lot of running around. b:chuckle
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I would say Clerics could use some buffs maybe Archers.Plume Shell increased damage taken on target and alley.Celestial Guadian Seal increasde hp/mp gian lvl 1 t o 2 points at lvl 10 20 points.Winged Sheel decrease in chi.

    Mia as I know you are great at soloing':)
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Sinew - Lost City
    Sinew - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And for those that claim other classes cant solo boss there level range. My cleric and BM did 90% of there bosses solo so far. They are both level 41 now.

    since a picture is worth more than words.
    2009-06-2218-50-58.jpg

    Ye so look at ya your all twinked.What of the new comers and poor people huh?.Who don't have infinite mirage stone supplies and endless cash Funds that obviously your 90+ funded them with
    Please be realistic in your thinking of new people.before attempting to big note yourself
  • Inias - Heavens Tear
    Inias - Heavens Tear Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    well if u really wanna know , it's not the veno that's overpowered ...
    it's that darn hercule and pheonix , especially that pheonix combined with bleed >_>
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And for those that claim other classes cant solo boss there level range. My cleric and BM did 90% of there bosses solo so far. They are both level 41 now.

    since a picture is worth more than words.
    2009-06-2218-50-58.jpg

    I wish we had charms in GW.;)
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sinew - Lost City wrote: »
    Ye so look at ya your all twinked.What of the new comers and poor people huh?.Who don't have infinite mirage stone supplies and endless cash Funds that obviously your 90+ funded them with
    Please be realistic in your thinking of new people.before attempting to big note yourself

    It isn't all about how much you have, it's about knowing the limitations of your character, and knowing what you are doing. The gear makes it easier, and can make some nearly impossible tasks easier, but it doesn't mean the same cannot be accomplished with normal gear.
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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It isn't all about how much you have, it's about knowing the limitations of your character, and knowing what you are doing. The gear makes it easier, and can make some nearly impossible tasks easier, but it doesn't mean the same cannot be accomplished with normal gear.

    Sinew also thinks this game is too hard to level at level 21. So we need to take what he says with a bucket of salt.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pfft, a wizard can solo Farng at level 32. Just requires a lot of running around. b:chuckle

    My cleric did him too lol that was a hell of alot of running too.
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I would say Clerics could use some buffs maybe Archers.Plume Shell increased damage taken on target and alley.Celestial Guadian Seal increasde hp/mp gian lvl 1 t o 2 points at lvl 10 20 points.Winged Sheel decrease in chi.

    Mia as I know you are great at soloing':)

    ty, misty, LOL charms arent really needed in GW.
    Sinew - Lost City wrote: »
    Ye so look at ya your all twinked.What of the new comers and poor people huh?.Who don't have infinite mirage stone supplies and endless cash Funds that obviously your 90+ funded them with
    Please be realistic in your thinking of new people.before attempting to big note yourself

    LOL tweaked out, if you call have level 30 rank1 armor and rest npc armor tweak that noone else can get. lol My axes I got for her was from a guildy and funded by my BM alone. 900k for
    Image1-2.jpg
    yes I got one hell of a deal, but thats what faction members are for. But My BM earned that 900k on her own for it. And Bronze charms are cheap. You just have to know what the hell your doing and make the right choices. Ie not wasting on stupid stuff.

    On that fact she still is using said level 30 rank 1 gears and NPC gear at level 41.
    working it Q_Q
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    that's a cute bm in stark contrast to how uncute your veno was (in that 1 screenshot w/ the nix hitting cleric duel, duno how she looks now) b:chuckle
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    Qui: b:dirty
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sinew - Lost City wrote: »
    Ye so look at ya your all twinked.What of the new comers and poor people huh?.Who don't have infinite mirage stone supplies and endless cash Funds that obviously your 90+ funded them with
    Please be realistic in your thinking of new people.before attempting to big note yourself
    Stop whining and start working for it. Look at the screeny Miatemaro posted and see its a lv35. No one in their right mind would use mirage stones to refine anything below the lvl of 45-50. Hell you use pots dropped off mobs or buy them at NPCS. Unless you are those pple that leave money and drops lying on the floor, you wiil have enough money till at least 50. The axe she has? Thats a freakin rarity, if not a waste of mirage and shards on a lv30 weapon.
    YOUR WHINING BEFORE YOU REACHED THE LV TO EVEN REALIZE THAT FACT.
    Go play hello kitty online or something, your the laziest poster I have yet to come accross on this forum.
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  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Stop whining and start working for it. Look at the screeny Miatemaro posted and see its a lv35. No one in their right mind would use mirage stones to refine anything below the lvl of 45-50. Hell you use pots dropped off mobs or buy them at NPCS. Unless you are those pple that leave money and drops lying on the floor, you wiil have enough money till at least 50. The axe she has? Thats a freakin rarity, if not a waste of mirage and shards on a lv30 weapon.
    YOUR WHINING BEFORE YOU REACHED THE LV TO EVEN REALIZE THAT FACT.
    Go play hello kitty online or something, your the laziest poster I have yet to come accross on this forum.

    Thats how the axe was when I bought it. As is.
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    that's a cute bm in stark contrast to how uncute your veno was (in that 1 screenshot w/ the nix hitting cleric duel, duno how she looks now) b:chuckle

    Once I get another makeover scroll for my veno I may change her yet again lol.
    lol u should see my cheerleader(Archer)
    MinMia.jpg
    my Veno isnt that bad. Her hair matches her genie and red for being a demon veno
    Mia-3.jpg
    working it Q_Q
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  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    pw is deffinetly unbalanced.... very, very unbalanced endgame
    Less QQ more Pew Pewb:thanks

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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    pw is deffinetly unbalanced.... very, very unbalanced endgame

    It's as balanced as you can get.
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    The OP does not have seen the game in full light.....and he judges it like he did
    b:dirty
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    My cleric did him too lol that was a hell of alot of running too.



    ty, misty, LOL charms arent really needed in GW.



    .

    Yeah but it would be nice for the UW.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It's as balanced as you can get.

    post on your main please, a level 11's opinion doest count here b:bye
    Less QQ more Pew Pewb:thanks

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  • Aesprika - Sanctuary
    Aesprika - Sanctuary Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    post on your main please, a level 11's opinion doest count here b:bye

    As opposed to a level 90 spamming?
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Aesprika - Sanctuary wrote: »
    As opposed to a level 90 spamming?

    Hes just jealous of ole OMG there being a lvl 11 poster and getting more respect then him.
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    post on your main please, a level 11's opinion doest count here b:bye

    Thanks for the laughs.
    working it Q_Q
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    its pretty balanced endgame
    http://zoome.jp/losstarot/diary/25
    in that video the wizard one shotted the nix
    and some over things b:quiet

    i love it when he demon sparks xD
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • davijohans
    davijohans Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    its pretty balanced endgame
    http://zoome.jp/losstarot/diary/25
    in that video the wizard one shotted the nix
    and some over things b:quiet

    i love it when he demon sparks xD

    but that the veno res the nix and the wiz dies -_-
    AND this isnt pwI so might not be comparable in weps-equips or other stuff
    also u cant know the lvls.
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    its pretty balanced endgame
    http://zoome.jp/losstarot/diary/25
    in that video the wizard one shotted the nix
    and some over things b:quiet

    i love it when he demon sparks xD

    b:chuckleb:chuckle *grabs my popcorn to wait for the excuses to come up to try to explain it away*

    To late got beat by the excuse squad
    working it Q_Q
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  • Kakashi_San - Heavens Tear
    Kakashi_San - Heavens Tear Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Veno is Over Powered...

    Heres why:
    - More relative versatility in Armors and potential functions of the armors.
    - They have the option to pay 200+ bucks in cashshop and get ultimate PVP or PVE weapons...(they still gotta lvl em and feed them, but they have that option)
    - Phoenix (in PVE servers it turns a blue named veno into a white named and callous individual (sometimes), in TW the guild with the highest lvl and number of Nix veno's usually has a strong attacking advantage, players fear them. Bleed kills quickly. Look at Wii's kills, look at momento and Antigones Kills... what class are they?)
    - Air advantage (they can sit on a pet and kill things from the air, if the mob has not ranged attack, its helpless)
    - Pet healing (dont need a cleric nemore)
    - Bosses and leveling is easier (started a veno char after trying out all except barb, and it was easy as pie as you dont need to search for too much help with a good tanking pet)
    - Independent character (cept for receiving buffs from a cleric, they can do almost all task and quest independently)

    These are just opinions and not solid facts, but I find most of them to be true.
    PWI is kinda fun
  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kakashi_San - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Veno is Over Powered...

    in TW the guild with the highest lvl and number of Nix veno's usually has a strong attacking advantage, players fear them.

    Actually I hear it really becomes bird hunting season in TW b:chuckle

    Also imagine what it will be like when the water or ice whatever they call it comes out too. Then we can have twice as many threads about how broken the fire and ice birds are. Submit a ticket let your complaint be known and leave it at that.
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  • davijohans
    davijohans Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Piliener - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually I hear it really becomes bird hunting season in TW b:chuckle

    Also imagine what it will be like when the water or ice whatever they call it comes out too. Then we can have twice as many threads about how broken the fire and ice birds are. Submit a ticket let your complaint be known and leave it at that.

    no you wont.
    1 the bleedbug wont be in them birds
    2 if theyll be as much effective, all whos got the sufficient inntellegence to log into a forum will roll a veno or call it the day and go play some other mmo game.

    edit : on 2nd thought it dun matter if the firebird will rip me apart or the ice.

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