For all the FB piggys:

Ahhh, the joys of being a respected high level player in my faction surrounded by those of similar level. I haven't had to deal with one of those idiots since my first fail FB19 run, and even then, that wasn't my decision. We all know why they want to run FB's. Free rep/EXP. They aren't doing it to be helpful, they aren't doing it to be nice. They're doing it because they get something out of it. I, on the other hand, run FB's with my faction, giving up the drops, and doing it to be nice. However, I too get something out of it. The same things that WC shouters get, as well as the added bonuses of the person I ran it with more than likely asking me for help with the next FB, as well as the fact that I'm helping them level, so they can help out other people. It's called leading by example, and it's a wonderful thing. I help someone, so they help someone, so... ETC. I'll never understand why on Earth anyone would run a WC FB...

Farain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

After my archers Fb19. I plan on soloing them all from now on

hahaha lol b:laugh

I WC for them...Let tabber keep 3*'s and any molds (unless tabber only wants to call specific items)...inform my crew that tabber gets those items...59-79 I will (most of the time) provide the wines...and if applicable will do everything in my power to complete any quests inside the instance (even if everyone else leaves party..although my crews are fantastic at this).

For me, at my level, there is not much I can do with the lower level molds and 3*'s besides sell them and I would rather see them go to good use or let the tabber make some extra coins. I know and remember what it was like to be a lowbie with no coins.

There are scammers out there, but people who run fb's with me I trust 100% and they know that one slip-up and no more invites. Simple as that. The benefits of the rep and exp should be enough.

Besides, it beat grinding!

They're the type that won't doing something unless they get something.

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It is amazing how many ppl are choosing "if they promised me all the drops".

You ppl are taking them at face value. I can promise to put a rope around the moon and bring it to you that doesn't mean I will or can. Even if the initial person you ask to do the FB promises they will give u all the drops, that doesn't mean anyone else will hold to that, or even the one who made the promise.

Please don't be gullible! Get in a good faction or get some good friends for help!

Just playing devil's advocate here but who says your guild or friends will always be honest? Who's to say that guildie who sees that mold won't run off and say forget what youor the guild thinks? Temptation is the true test.

As for my own experience I've done FBs with guilds/friends and with WC/chatroomers and while not always great I have found them to be about as enjoyable or better then some FBs I do with friends or guildies. If anything I'd say no matter who you FB with specially if they are in a faction then hold them to a standard and follow thru if they rip you off. Most guilds won't tolerate mold stealing under any condition. Also remember the biggest rule....This is your FB....control it. I've actually not tabbed before if people act stupid.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Technically you cannot solo them.. since you need to be the party leader to be able to tab it....

You can technically solo an fb anyway.... just don't pick up your tabs.

I have had some good ones and some bad ones. The bad one I had was mostly just people hanging around outside of FB 19 but I just wanted that one done and over with. (Hate FBs when 'I' am the Tabber...You feel so worthless and useless thanks to the insane difficulty) However, at the very least on Heaven's Tear Ceaser does a great job. They have done FB 59 for me, my Husband, and my friends and do a thorough proffessional job every time. So at least one other faction out there is worth looking up in this regard even if they DO spam in WC on occasion. (And no, I am not in that Faction nor am I ever going to be joining it lol)

I take it the OP is a bitter greedy **** who demanded ALL drops and got jipped
Hun if I were in an fb with you and you wanted every single DQ drop and every single white 1* item I'd kill a boss or two, depending on the fb, more than likely steal a mold if one dropped just to be an **** of equal proportion, leave squad and leave you hanging with no wines and only half the tabs as to minimize the odds of you getting help ever again. We have repairs, we burn our charms, and we make for a smooth fast run which is otherwise impossible. If you don't like it, and if you don't appreciate it, you're more than welcome to go solo your own fbs. I remember one dude who had fb79 tabs. He wanted us to do his 20/20/20 first. Which translates into clearing the fb halway once, then doing a full unwined run, AND he wanted to keep all the molds and 3*. For what? 60k xp in 2-3 hours? Guess how that went for them? Suffice it to say, someone still has their fb79 tabs lol.
That being said, I even disagree with the idiotic "mold and 3* to tabber" policy. I would be ok with it if the tabber could actually use it, but if a wizard wants calamity axes or misty forest ring or a barb wants a saky light then we're talking just pure greed. They can't do the fb on their on, they don't deserve exclusive rights to any loots there in, imho. Yet people still do it, as the exp/rep is a good enough incentive in come cases. And I'm no different. Granted, I normally won't do fb69/79 without the incentive for drops, as xp per time ratio simply isn't worth it, unless I'm just a few hundred rep short of a new rank (which I am, yay rank 5 ).

So to reiterate my point, running fbs isn't free. We burn our charms, and we have repair fees at the end of it. Compared to (most) tabbers who tab the pillar, then sit around and watch us do all the work. We're being more than fair when letting you have molds and 3*, which quite honestly you don't deserve most of the time to begin with. Take away the few dozen k we get from DQ drops to break even with the costs we put into helping you and I can guarantee you'll be hanging on to your tabs for a looooong time.

Edit: forgot to touch upon the whole boss thing. I actually do help here and there with a boss if I can. Usually if I'm doing WQ and someone shouts for a boss and I'm nearby I'll go out of my way and help. Or if I shout for an fb and don't get any, but I'm bored out of my mind and someone needs help with a boss I can solo I'll usually go do it. Usually chin or dismal or something like that lol. I'm actually a nice a guy, long as you don't try to play me and take advantage of it. And you seem to fit the description. So yeah, gl with your fbs, you'll need it.

Your main argument seems to be that you have great friends, and ppl you know to help. but not everyone does =/ have you ever thought that out? you have stated it many times now, but i know until lvl 30ish i didn't know anyone, i had no idea how to play the game. and it was one of these chats that made me the player i am today.

I personally do not do theses chats as i cant make an entire squad right off the bat, even if i can solo the fb, but if i do fly over someone asking for help, or see a "Seeking Squad" sign i ask. Did Jewel for an **** hole the other day, just because i thought it would be nice to help a random person, because he apparently didn't have any friends to do it for him like you do.

All i get from this is that you don't help random ppl and are only loyal to your faction. which in the end gives it a bad name =/

If thats all your trying to prove its a waste of time, they will find out when no one answers them if it such a terrible thing to be doing. People use the same technique if it works for them.

I think we play the same way, as i'm in a tiny faction, and have friends that will drop anything to help. i guess i'm just more chill about people wasting their time and money that doesn't effect me at all then you are.

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BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

BTW: Look at what majority of ppl chose .. ?

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With 84 votes for your available poll choices,
out of 774 views for your thread,
I think the leader is "e. none of the above" by a landslide