Late Game + Sage/Demon

Why is it that you would only buff yourself when the buff wares off?

If you check the math Demo Spirits Gift gave a bigger power boost than spark did.

Regarding the spark itself I put it in there for effect since Demon Spirits Gift has the ability to stack with it. I am well aware that the two spark versions are very balanced in their benefits.

As for skill balance though please show me a sage skill that matches Demon's Spirits Gift.
(and please don't say sage magic shell... the channeling bonus doesn't come close)

well i went demon you wanna know why?

go and look at

demon plume shot (yes sage plume shot is better at 1 shotting ppl) FASTER
demon cyclone : good against barbs and BM MORE DMG
wield thunder DEBUFF AGAINST METAL
omfg look at stream of rejunevation b:dirty +100% PHYS DEF
wellspring surge + CHI
these are the main things

Lennson - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I was planning on going sage but there is one skill that demon has that seems ridiculously powerful:

(from ecatomb)

Demon Spirit's Gift
Demon version grants an additional 150% to magic attack for the first 10 seconds.

Note that it says magic attack where as the original skill only increases weapon magic attack

So I would like to know if this means that when you're level 100 with your ~10k base line magic attack when buffed if you could,
-Demon Spirit's Gift -> +150% magic attack
-Demon spark -> +700% extra magical attack from weapons
-(lets say) Demon cyclon (since it's fast)

So...
magic attack of 10k goes to ~23k because of spark (since it computes using wep dmg)
~23k x2.5 = 57.5k because of Spirit's Gift(?)
Cyclone: Raw Damage ~60k(?)

Now obviously the damage is reduced a lot due to resists and if you're hitting a person the pvp reduction but note that the Spirits Gift makes this shot more powerful than a critical shot without it, and if this crits...

For those people that are not planning on killing... the multiplier would increase your heals in the same maner as its increase is to magic attack.

Note this out shines any increases to healing that Sage has to offer.

So please tell me how I'm wrong, I want to go sage, but I wont if I am right...

1) Note, that will all this said, the normal and current spirit gift will have additional magic attack bonus for the first 10 seconds.
Now, question is, have you actually used this 10sec in the past? Near or enough for it to become a habit to cast this spell just for this 10 sec bonus before you attack.

If you have not, then chances are that you demon skill 10sec are going to be forgotten, and this spell cast as JUST a 30min buff.

2)Alot of demon skills seem to be adjustable by gear if you decide to go sage. Channeling speed? Its good for peeps who dont have a set of channeling gear.

3)Could care less about chi saving and MP. You are overabundant in chi most of the time after 90s. MP shouldnt even be an issue.

4)Cooldown time on Plumeshot, razor feathers, etc. Unless your working with a lag monster of a PC, these are fast cooldowns to start off with anyway =/

5)Metal Debuffs..
Example wield thunder. Demon-reduces enemy's Metal resistance 30% for 10 seconds!
Sage version always increases Metal magic damage by 25% (sage is 24/7 permanent baby)
Now aside from plumeshot, cleric is magic attacks. Unless your gonna use wield thunder to assist for OTHER melee to try attack during that small 10sec time frame, where is the other worth?

Most targets especially in PvP are not going to stand around like a tree for you to hit. With each attack you dish out, they either RUN, or STUN most of the time and clerics also get ganged up on. 90% of the time you can kiss goodbye to the 10sec bonuses.

Most of the things considered 'uber' TO consider, you will probably forget to use after you get the skill.

why is it that these newbs generalize demon as attack and sage as support(or defense, for other classes)? i think in only 3 classes this aplies: warrior, mage, and archer.

i've also changed my mind about the skills:



demon spark = sage spark. they're equal in usefulness. if you argue that 1 is superior for this class, uninstall pw.


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sage passive > demon passive. simple as that. if you don't know why yet, go die.


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sage plume shot deals more damage. plumeshot, itself, is a very weak and mediocre skill. even vs squishy opponents it's fairly useless. saying that making it cast faster is better than doing more damage in 1 hit is ridiculous. there's no physical passive for clerics, demon plume shot is still weak.

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demon cyclone is by far much superior to that of sage. however, when a sage aquires their passive, the additional damage is on par to that of demon(pve 1276 vs 845; pvp 255 vs 169).

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demon wield thunder is obviously better. this skill seems to be why everybody even goes demon. i honestly don't care either way. after you use it, you have a chance to get off a cyclone and, maybe, a thunderball. that being said, the debuff is essitentially useless. the effect is after wield thunder hits, so it doesn't feel the effect.

however, level 11 wield thunder gives 25~ chi naturally(i don't know the real number), but sage has a 50% chance to add 30 more. 55~ chi in 1 hit.

both do the same damage, demon lets your next cyclone do a bit more damage. whatever.

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sage plume shell > demon. shut up, i'm right, you're wrong. don't argue it.


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sage razor feathers is better than demon for 2 reasons:

1. while you're using this skill to aoe grind, you'll have healed twice and purified in the time it takes sage to cooldown.

2. in pvp, you have 2 chances to use it. a finisher on a squishy class after their hp is low, or just throwing it randomly into a pile up. either way, a lower cooldown isn't going to effect this.


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sage thunderball > demon. again, if you have to ask why, shut up. it's pretty damn obvious.

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sage elemental/physical debuff/sleep/paralyze is better than demon. you shouldn't even have to know why, but for the slow folk:

IF YOU USE THEM WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO BE HIT YOU WILL PURIFY YOURSELF. THE SHORTER DURATION/NO EFFECT ON YOURSELF DOESN'T MEAN ****.


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demon tempest > sage. a chance to freeze is always superior. even if saving 1 spark is a high chance, stopping them is more important.


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sage blessing of the purehearted > demon. you'll most likely never use it, but still, sage > demon.


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demon ironheart blessing WOULD BE superior if the mp regen effect stacked. however, it doesn't. too bad. sage > demon.


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sage wellspring surge > demon. getting 2 more chi than you use to as demon IS NOT SUPERIOR TO CASTING THIS INSTANT HEAL EVEN FASTER. ****ing ****.


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revive doesn't ****ing matter. both revive 100%, who cares how you do it.


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demon purify > sage. duh.


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demon chromatic heal > sage.


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demon stream of rejuvenation > sage.


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single buffs: who the **** cares.

Shano - Lost City wrote: »

you can use combo such as
sleep-->debuff-->hell spirit gift-->spark--->thunder--->cyclone ..

How? The buffs do not stack and in that case would make no sense nor any difference. Unless you use this combo unbuffed and then are buffing yourself in the middle of battle.

do you people read? demon spirit gift's effect doesn't stack with sparks.

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

do you people read? demon spirit gift's effect doesn't stack with sparks.

Has this actually been tested though? SG itself normally has the name intuition but still stacks with spark. Unless it's been tested by someone who has used the skill, no real way to know. If someone has, would definitely change things a bit for people.

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Has this actually been tested though? SG itself normally has the name intuition but still stacks with spark. Unless it's been tested by someone who has used the skill, no real way to know. If someone has, would definitely change things a bit for people.

honestly, i can't say for sure. i don't have it nor will i ever, but i know people with it. it gives the "intuition" icon, which is the same given by a spark. same icon buffs don't stack.

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Eww demon spark faster channel on plum shoot makes u shoot so fast the game glitches shoots and dosent show some as u channel so fast that combination will eat a robe faster then nix bleed.Sage spark 25% less dmg eww i better uninstall PW cause 1 is pretty superior to the other in attack as u like to figure both paths are pretty equal.Oh and the fact u get more attacks off in the 12 seconds after u channel your spark then u would with sage spark also = more dmg 25% dmg reduction can go in the TRASH!

jesus christ, how did you make it past level 3?

ButtHurt - Lost City wrote: »

not if you using hell spark

If you have to use like 5 skills and 3 whole sparks to utilize this 10sec of demon spirit, its not efficient enough to be considered one of the PROs in choosing demon.

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Eww demon spark faster channel on plum shoot makes u shoot so fast the game glitches shoots and dosent show some as u channel so fast that combination will eat a robe faster then nix bleed.Sage spark 25% less dmg eww i better uninstall PW cause 1 is pretty superior to the other in attack as u like to figure both paths are pretty equal.Oh and the fact u get more attacks off in the 12 seconds after u channel your spark then u would with sage spark also = more dmg 25% dmg reduction can go in the TRASH!

Go to school, learn some grammar before you indulge yourself in the game world. Make use of commas, periods, and other grammatical tweeks. I shouldnt have to reread your post 4 times, furrow my brows, and reread it a 5th time to try understand what the hell you are saying.. Im surprised Forp even understood.

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

etc

Why is the level 83 writing so much on Sage/Demon skills?

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sage spark 25% less dmg eww

It's nothing to laugh at. You use nix's as an example so i'll offer one too.

Let the nix come in, put a bleed on you, Heaven Spark to clear the bleed, tank the nix with 25% damage reduction while you 1 - 3 shot the veno (with Heaven Plume Shot btw).

Specifically though I find the damage reduction most useful in TW healing catas.

Demon is good if you plan to get to 99 and all the books for the good skills. Sage is just better if 89 is the highest you'll get and you only plan to get the easy-to-get books.

triple spark or tempest?

How about spirits gift a tempest?

The good part about Demon Spirits Gift is in its versatility.