Private servers don't matter?

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear
Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,175 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Chronicles
It seems that every debate will never end, as one person will always say 'It's end game that matters'

So some jolly fair fellow comes with 2 level 100s fightning yet.. it doesn't not matter because it's a private server?

I cannot understand.
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Private Server = IRREGAL

    PWI Server = REGAL

    Engrish FTW.
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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    From what I've heard, private servers enable you to achieve the topmost levels in very few hours. You don't even have to worry about SP and coin to buy your skills because everything is handed to you.

    When you end up with a level 100 charater within mere hours of starting the game, all skillsets acquired, you don't automatically know how to use them properly. You haven't figured out what works best in each situation, or how to respond to others. You haven't had time to learn how others play. There's a chance you don't even know how to play if you've never reached a level near that on your own before.

    So when someone puts forth a video of a battle from a private server, it can't be taken at full face value. Both characters might be only 3 hours new to the game, never played it before, and are just throwing skills at each other. That isn't a show of the class's true power.

    It is when the players have leveled their characters through much time, grinding, and experience battling mobs and other players that the end result truly counts. Having your level/class handed to you is NOT the same as knowing it and exhibiting it at its best.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Wow, really? I knew there were private servers, but I didn't know they were that committed to the "legit play is for losers" school of thought.

    I've played on them on another game, and at least on that game the people on the private server there had some vestige of legitimacy and the community seemed to be nice (which is more than you could have said for that game's official servers). But here's the thing: that isn't the case with PWI. PWI doesn't need private servers because we're all nice here, and the GMs and staff do a damn good job keeping order and keeping the bugs patched.

    One more side note / food for thought: it is my opinion that no private server can ever be as good as a well-run official server such as the ones we have here in PWI. If you had a private server, you would have to decide what the rules were. You'd have to decide whether to keep up the facade of legitimacy, or just, well, hand everyone everything for free. If you do the latter, there's no challenge, no sense of acheivement. If you do the former, it becomes your decision when and whether to advance the servers (e.g. releasing mounts, providing events, etc.)... and unless you're following the official servers to the letter on that, you're basically playing god with how the game is run.

    So yeah... it's a rare private server that's actually useful in any way. (in before lock XD)
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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I've never actually been to a private server myself, and don't feel like looking to try and find one. Why bother when I love it here? Besides I like legitimate things and getting things the hard way. (Like Wizard. lol.)

    So what I posted would be hearsay, but I've heard that they're easy enough times to feel fine repeating it. In any case, I agree with you. Official Servers FTW!
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  • shuzan
    shuzan Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Private servers are full of level 100+ noobs that don't know how to use their class because they didn't have to go through the 1-100 grind. Their characters became gods before they had to learn to play them properly.

    That's why private servers fail.
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    For all those who actually tried to provide an actual reason...methinks you've been trolled.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    For all those who actually tried to provide an actual reason...methinks you've been trolled.

    SHHH....I want to read more responses! b:chuckle


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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    For all those who actually tried to provide an actual reason...methinks you've been trolled.

    XD Yeah but when I feel like talking I go ahead and selectively feed the trolls :)
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  • DollParts - Sanctuary
    DollParts - Sanctuary Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    it doesnt take 100 lvls and 1 year of grinding to learn how to play your character ... but it might take more than 3 hours.
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  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Private servers = better fashion

    http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/Keripo/Perfect%20World%20International/Fake%20Perfect%20World/2009-05-2819-39-21.jpg
    and
    http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/Keripo/Perfect%20World%20International/Fake%20Perfect%20World/2009-05-2821-15-00.jpg

    I want my kimono! b:cute

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  • Trelwyn - Sanctuary
    Trelwyn - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    The fashion may be better, but the one and only perfect world private server I played on only had half the dialog translated. Call me crazy, but if I want to play a game I want to be able to know what's going on... and I can't read Chinese......

    Not to mention that - on said private server - you started off with an extremely high spiritual cultivation. SO, if you grabbed the wrong quest (which you couldn't read to see which one was the right one) you would wind up knocking your character down into doing a large amount of fighting to try and get it back. Not to mention that you couldn't read the quest to figure out what to do - so you better have it memorized.

    Private servers seem to work best for PvP people who don't want to try and do quests.

    I will admit, tho, good fashion. They had a really hot miniskirt set.
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  • Ichimokusan - Sanctuary
    Ichimokusan - Sanctuary Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I once played on a private server of a subscription game, which I still held a subscription to at the time. I learned my lesson:

    If you play on a private server, you will be desensitized to how much hard work it takes to accomplish those same feats on the official servers. You can get the best gear and so much currency it is laughable. Since you've accomplished everything possible in the game, you then go back to an official server to 'put your experience to use.' When you switch back to an official server, your character feels underpowered and poorly funded. The excitement of all the accomplishments leading up to end game become dull and nothing is new to you. You quit the official servers now as well because there is no goals to accomplish that you haven't completed elsewhere.

    I would never play a private server again.
  • Moog - Lost City
    Moog - Lost City Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    private server doesn't matter because peopel in private servers can get all plus 12 gear and warsoul weps that are basically not going to happen in real servers. It's just not realistic.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    private servers are for people whowanna goto jail lol. i can see it understandable on a subscription game thats really good, but a free to play? WHY play a free version of a free game ~_~?
  • Saomuel - Dreamweaver
    Saomuel - Dreamweaver Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I hear mod steps...
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  • Vilandil - Sanctuary
    Vilandil - Sanctuary Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i can see it understandable on a subscription game thats really good, but a free to play? WHY play a free version of a free game ~_~?

    Couldn't agree more, why bother making a private server for a game thats free to play anyway?

    Guess for some people having everything handed to them for free on a plate is better than playing the real version.
  • AinaMizuako - Sanctuary
    AinaMizuako - Sanctuary Posts: 1,041 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    My previous game was on a private server lol. >_> Though this was because the game was so utterly outdated that the official servers were taken down like years or so ago.

    Afaik, it remained true to the official counterpart as far as exp and difficulty went, only thing changed was the droprates so they wouldn't be so utterly unbearable. You'd be ****ed trying to find a good weapon still though. (~200 runs through a quest to find my character's DECENT weapon, awww yeah) ~_~
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    private servers are for people whowanna goto jail lol

    b:questionb:questionb:question
  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Private Servers are good for only one thing

    getting your account **** because your entered the same username and password on the Private Servers as well as on PWI
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    The only PS I play on is for a dead game that was shut down about 2-3 years ago. Oddly enough the owning company gave these people permission to run their PS since the company wasn't making money from it anymore anyway. A legitimate PS, who would have thought that was possible?

    Only time I've played one. I will always stay on official servers as much as I possibly can.
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  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I think Mysticlifex was referencing some trolling he does regularly on the wizard forums, he thinks a private server DUEL between a level 100 wiz and level 100 cleric would result in the cleric winning.

    I responded that private servers can alter the code any way they want making any arguement based on them invalid. Also PvP at that level between two uber geared, heavily sharded classes would become a test of who has the most charms.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Suddenly I have the really uneasy feeling that several people on this thread used to play the same game I did, and that I'm going to be found out sooner or later. XD

    Also, I'm amazed that this thread hasn't been locked yet. o.o
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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    private servers??

    questions:

    -where do people find such things? or do they make them?

    -what is the point of using them? is it a way to experiment with things for the game or what?

    -and why?

    Lareish - Harshlands wrote: »
    I've never actually been to a private server myself, and don't feel like looking to try and find one. Why bother when I love it here? Besides I like legitimate things and getting things the hard way. (Like Wizard. lol.)

    So what I posted would be hearsay, but I've heard that they're easy enough times to feel fine repeating it. In any case, I agree with you. Official Servers FTW!
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    -where do people find such things? or do they make them?
    Generally someone takes a server that they own and puts the game software on it. That's about it. This is not kosher by just about any license agreement ever, meaning they're all technically illegal.
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    -what is the point of using them? is it a way to experiment with things for the game or what?

    -and why?
    Usually they're created because someone just didn't like what the official creators had done with the game. Sometimes this is for good reasons (such as the original creators employing horrible staff, ignoring player problems, refusing to fix bugs, etc.), other times it's for not-so-good reasons or completely selfish ones (such as just wanting to have all the superweapons without work, or because they disagreed with a small staff decision... suppose someone made a server because they wanted a Ninetails here but didn't get it?).

    And yeah, sometimes useful experimentation and knowledge can come from being able to tinker with the server code and know how the game code works. But it's really not necessary if you're having enough fun here, which I believe most of us are. :P
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    private servers are completely legal until they sell something. if a private server opens a shop, sells an item created by pwe, they'll be arrested. that's illegal. hosting an outdated version of the original server, however, is not.
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    private servers are completely legal until they sell something. if a private server opens a shop, sells an item created by pwe, they'll be arrested. that's illegal. hosting an outdated version of the original server, however, is not.

    Wrong, hosting the game on a server without express permission from the liscencee(PWE) is illegal in most countries.
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    private servers are completely legal until they sell something. if a private server opens a shop, sells an item created by pwe, they'll be arrested. that's illegal. hosting an outdated version of the original server, however, is not.

    Not really.
    That's similar to saying you can download a song and its legal as long as you don't sell it.
    The company that created the game to begin with sells the license to host a server. If you are hosting a server that people are connecting to, or for your own use, thats quite illegal, older version or not.

    Although playing the game is free for play, I'm sure hosting a server falls on different terms.
  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Dear god you people all have something up your butts.

    Private servers are fun because it sucks to level a char to 9-10x.

    Its a nice way to get up to that level without having to go through all the bs that it takes to get there. what does it matter if its cheap? everyone else on the server is doing the same thing.

    Yes there is a great distinction between a level 100 player on an official server and a level 100 player on a private server. The one on the official server doesn't have a whole lot of free time outside the game.
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  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    and the person on the private server hasn't really played the game.
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Personally I just use it to test builds.
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