Wine Sale Fail
Artiex - Sanctuary
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Sadly, on my server the prices of mats is still cheaper than what they offer in the cash shop when 1/2 off.
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Artiex - Sanctuary wrote: »Sadly, on my server the prices of mats is still cheaper than what they offer in the cash shop when 1/2 off.
its not wine mats sale its ultimate sub mats sale.0 -
no
the prices are too high for U Subs...
Fine lumber : 1Gold => 25 pcs; same for Refined steel and Rubstone,
Anthracite 1 gold => 30 pcs
so 4 golds will get you 5 U Subs, way too high a price
(on sanct, USubs sells for 60- 65k)I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.
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youd be in the wrong here, theyre far more expensive on other servers, think outside the boxReivi - Sanctuary wrote: »no
the prices are too high for U Subs...
Fine lumber : 1Gold => 25 pcs; same for Refined steel and Rubstone,
Anthracite 1 gold => 30 pcs
so 4 golds will get you 5 U Subs, way too high a price
(on sanct, USubs sells for 60- 65k)0 -
Even on Heaven's Tear the average price is around 75k so that's still way too much...."Hey, I don't make the rules, I just twist them to my purpose." -Celia (Order Of The Stick)0
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The sale is BS, its that simple.
I will use mid mats/ultimate substance for the following example.
I am sure that most of the other servers price per gold is at least 100,000 each probably a good bit more in some cases. However I will use that as the baseline.
Now seeing as how each package of materials is 1 gold and contains 25 materials each, you will divide 100,000 divided by 25 which equals 4,000. The 4,000 is representative of the price per each individual material in in-game coin. This means that if you are paying more then 80,000 coin per ultimate substance and your gold price is 100,000 or less then you may be getting a good deal. If not however, you are better off buying from catshops/farmers.
I have done the math compared to the average player price for special materials on Sanctuary and basically the same is true. You are better off buying from other players.0 -
I think I'll just take advantage of some peoples gullibility and get cheap high mats from the players who have trouble selling them.Currently flying internet spaceships around dodixie, moving to amarr soon.
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The sale is BS, its that simple.
I will use mid mats/ultimate substance for the following example.
I am sure that most of the other servers price per gold is at least 100,000 each probably a good bit more in some cases. However I will use that as the baseline.
Now seeing as how each package of materials is 1 gold and contains 25 materials each, you will divide 100,000 divided by 25 which equals 4,000. The 4,000 is representative of the price per each individual material in in-game coin. This means that if you are paying more then 80,000 coin per ultimate substance and your gold price is 100,000 or less then you may be getting a good deal. If not however, you are better off buying from catshops/farmers.
I have done the math compared to the average player price for special materials on Sanctuary and basically the same is true. You are better off buying from other players.
Yep, except that on almost every server the gold prices are somewhere around 125k-140k each, with Sub prices all less than 80k. So you pretty much get a free sub by charging zhen, selling gold, and buying the subs from a player compared to buying the mats from boutique and making the subs.
This sale only makes sense in those cases where a person has alot of gold sitting around, and can't be bothered to visit an auctioner or look in any catshops. Frankly, after the recent $50 mount, 1/2 orb, gold charm pack, $40 mount, stuff, I don't think there are any of those people left playing the game. My only guess would be that this sale is being done simply because there was nothing else ready to include with the patch. It it was a 1/2 off all materials however, that would be downright nifty.0 -
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »youd be in the wrong here, theyre far more expensive on other servers, think outside the box
"Far more expensive" is ~75k on HT and 50-60k on LC. So this sale... I'm not even bothering to buy gold from the AH. Meh.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »youd be in the wrong here, theyre far more expensive on other servers, think outside the box
avg price is 55k on LC b:byeI hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington0 -
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »youd be in the wrong here, theyre far more expensive on other servers, think outside the box
>.> until after your post NO one said anything about any server besides ours, if they hadnt mentioned sanct in every post i say yeah ur post was fine >.> but there u seem to be just opening ur mouth and letting anything fall out0 -
People, this was not an Ultimate Sub sale. While the matts on sale can be used to craft Ultimate Subs, that does not mean in any way, shape, or form that it was, in fact, an Ultimate Subs sale. It was nothing more than a mats sale, and what you do with the mats after you buy them has nothing to do with the purpose of the sale or what was on sale.
Now if they were selling Ultimate Subs in the Boutique, and put them on sale, you'd have a valid argument, but they don't sell Ultimate Subs in the Boutique.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Its a fail because it doesn't excite anyone, nor do I think it probably is making PWI much money.
Give us new mounts, flyers, fashion, a sale on something people really use like Esos, Teles inventory stones and ... the Jolly Old Jones event.
When you see Gold prices shoot up you know it is a win.0 -
Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »Its a fail because it doesn't excite anyone, nor do I think it probably is making PWI much money.
Give us new mounts, flyers, fashion, a sale on something people really use like Esos, Teles inventory stones and ... the Jolly Old Jones event.
When you see Gold prices shoot up you know it is a win.
You got that right, right now gold prices haven't changed cause everyone realizes that buying materials from the cash shop is still very expensive, so one is buying. This sale is fail because it doesn't encourage people to buy/charge gold. PW didn't realize that these mats were already a lot much cheaper on the market.0 -
id be a win if it was somethign like 75% off, which seems like too much of a sale, maybe perma lower mat prices by 50% :]0
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OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »People, this was not an Ultimate Sub sale. While the matts on sale can be used to craft Ultimate Subs, that does not mean in any way, shape, or form that it was, in fact, an Ultimate Subs sale. It was nothing more than a mats sale, and what you do with the mats after you buy them has nothing to do with the purpose of the sale or what was on sale.
Now if they were selling Ultimate Subs in the Boutique, and put them on sale, you'd have a valid argument, but they don't sell Ultimate Subs in the Boutique.
While this is true, it is only the mats for the sub that end up costing anywhere near what things are being exchanged for...
mid-grade = 25 mats for 1 gold = roughly 5k each
mid-high-grade = 30 mats for 1 gold = roughly 4k each
high-grade = 30 mats for 1 gold 50 silver = roughly 6k each.
Combined with the fact that it is only the mid-grade mats which are being camped to excess (usually due to sub needs and not wine), for all intents and purposes, it is only logical that it be framed as a sale for sub mats as the others are easy enough to get and not nearly as much in demand.0 -
OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »People, this was not an Ultimate Sub sale. While the matts on sale can be used to craft Ultimate Subs, that does not mean in any way, shape, or form that it was, in fact, an Ultimate Subs sale. It was nothing more than a mats sale, and what you do with the mats after you buy them has nothing to do with the purpose of the sale or what was on sale.
Now if they were selling Ultimate Subs in the Boutique, and put them on sale, you'd have a valid argument, but they don't sell Ultimate Subs in the Boutique.
In just about every thread I see you post in, you always seem to miss the point entirely. This post above is not the exception unfortunately.
The point being raised here is that based on the gold to game coin exchange rate, you are better off buying mats from other players. If you are a gold seller, sell your gold and buy mats from other players if they are what you need. If you buy gold with game coin, it would be wise to save some coin and buy the mats from other players rather then from the boutique.
The part about ultimate substance's was used merely as reference seeing as how anybody above lvl 60 should know what they are and probably what they cost.
Edit to add:
At 100k per gold = 4k per mid mat (material used for ultimate substance)
Average price per mid mat on Sanctuary = 2.8-4k (depending on the particular material)
At 100K per gold = 5k per special mat (highest material used for fb89+ wine)
Average price per special mat on Sanctuary = 4-5k
Just do the math on your server and you will get a better idea of how good or bad a deal this is for you.0 -
wine sale didn't change the fact some players spend hours farming lvl3 mats because prices are inflated. and that's NOT to make 2525252525 FB wines but because of TT subs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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In just about every thread I see you post in, you always seem to miss the point entirely. This post above is not the exception unfortunately.
The point being raised here is that based on the gold to game coin exchange rate, you are better off buying mats from other players. If you are a gold seller, sell your gold and buy mats from other players if they are what you need. If you buy gold with game coin, it would be wise to save some coin and buy the mats from other players rather then from the boutique.
The part about ultimate substance's was used merely as reference seeing as how anybody above lvl 60 should know what they are and probably what they cost.
You're just being ignorant.
Thread title: Wine Sale
Wasn't a sale on Wine.
Second post: it's an Ultimate Sub sale
Wasn't that either.
My post clarified that it was neither one, and stated what it actually was: a sale on matts that can be used to craft both.
All you did was post useless flame-bait.While this is true, it is only the mats for the sub that end up costing anywhere near what things are being exchanged for...
mid-grade = 25 mats for 1 gold = roughly 5k each
mid-high-grade = 30 mats for 1 gold = roughly 4k each
high-grade = 30 mats for 1 gold 50 silver = roughly 6k each.
Combined with the fact that it is only the mid-grade mats which are being camped to excess (usually due to sub needs and not wine), for all intents and purposes, it is only logical that it be framed as a sale for sub mats as the others are easy enough to get and not nearly as much in demand.
All of the mats that were put on sale are used in various FB Wines while only four are used for Ultimate Subs. If it had been an Ultimate Subs sale only four of he mats put on sale would have been on sale. It was more accurate to frame it as a Wine Sale than an Ultimate Subs Sale for that reason.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »You're just being ignorant.
Thread title: Wine Sale
Wasn't a sale on Wine.
Second post: it's an Ultimate Sub sale
Wasn't that either.
My post clarified that it was neither one, and stated what it actually was.
All you did was post useless flame-bait.
Note, I'm not being ignorant
1. I'm just naming the thread, according to event name given based on the perfect world site.
2. I didn't mention anything about buying wine did I?
3. This is just a discussion about prices of catshop mats vs mats sold in cash shop.0 -
The only one who's trolling is you. I admit, you're an actual troll as opposed to the spammers around here. ^5.
Point is, the usub is ONLY being brought up to show that there is not one single coin to be gained from this "sale" and that if you bought gold to buy mats without thinking about it, you're really going to lose money on the market value of those mats; the market value which is generally determined by sub prices.
b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Artiex - Sanctuary wrote: »Note, I'm not being ignorant
1. I'm just naming the thread, according to event name given based on the perfect world site.
2. I didn't mention anything about buying wine did I?
3. This is just a discussion about prices of catshop mats vs mats sold in cash shop.
I was actually responding to the person(s) I had quoted, and not critiquing you.Alphae - Lost City wrote: »The only one who's trolling is you. I admit, you're an actual troll as opposed to the spammers around here. ^5.
Point is, the usub is ONLY being brought up to show that there is not one single coin to be gained from this "sale" and that if you bought gold to buy mats without thinking about it, you're really going to lose money on the market value of those mats; the market value which is generally determined by sub prices.
b:bye
When it comes to the mats in the Boutique, I see them more as a "I cannot be bothered to look for them from cat shops/farm them myself."[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
That is correct.
That is going to bring in, at best, moderate cash shop traffic. On the other hand, an actually worthwhile sale might bring in high to very high cash shop traffic (all compared to "normal" non-sale time traffic). Just look at the dragon orb sale, I guarantee PWI made a nice little chunk of change from that one.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Actually to get technical the event, as called by the GMs is "Wine Sale". The thread creator created a thread named "Wine Sale Fail" literally meaning "Event Fail" to which I would agree as I think many of the posters here so I'm not sure what we're all arguing about. I would go so far as to say that that the thread maybe should have been titled 'Week Fail" as during this week the sale event, updates and lack of memory leak fix all fail collectively. We haven't had an update in 2 weeks and this is teh one they come out with? Please.
In any event no one will buy the wine mats, GMs will learn and not do it again and we will move on. I do like that they are changing up sale items and offering different things as opposed to same sale items every time. Like they did socket stones, dragon orbs and angels. Personally I'd like to see inventory and extension stone sales.0 -
OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »You're just being ignorant.
Thread title: Wine Sale
Wasn't a sale on Wine.
Second post: it's an Ultimate Sub sale
Wasn't that either.
My post clarified that it was neither one, and stated what it actually was: a sale on matts that can be used to craft both.
And what you are arguing over is just ridiculous. Who really cares what the sale is called or who calls the sale what? The bigger and less ridiculous argument here is that the material sale is BS.0 -
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OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »You're the one arguing, I'm simply pointing something out.
hahahaha.....b:laughb:laughb:laugh
You are to much.0 -
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OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »So says the person who's intent was to flame me for no reason.
Lets try some of your own arguments.I'm simply pointing something out.
Calling me ignorant for pointing out the fact you seem to argue in nearly every thread you post in and often times miss the point, is flaming you?I'm simply pointing something out.
Oh and the material sale is still BS.b:chuckle0 -
Same on Harshlands..
1 gold = 165k
4 gold = 5 ulti subs
so 5 ulti subs = 660,000 coins. which = 132,000 coins per ulti sub.
You can get an ulti sub for 50,000 coins on my server, and midmats about 2,300 - 2,500 coins for each if you wait for decent deals.
Even higher mats like Charcoal, Steel, Conundrum (sp?), and the lumber you can get for 2,500 which is WAY cheaper than you could get from the cash shop.0 -
Calling me ignorant for pointing out the fact you seem to argue in nearly every thread you post in and often times miss the point, is flaming you?
I didn't exactly say it was flaming initially, I said it was "flame-bait". You might want to go look up the difference. Later I said "intent" was to flame which it can be construed as.Oh and the material sale is still BS.b:chuckle
I never actually made a comment on whether or not the sale was a success or a failure, just what it was a sale on.
You might want to work on your reading comprehension, scridon.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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