Clerics SPEND more on others, give them something in return

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

I am a cleric. Another cleric and I were discussing the incredible amount of cost we expend towards helping others.

We burn mp at our expense to:

Heal in FB runs.
Random buff an incalculable number of times per session.
Save strangers in passing, as they are within a hairs breadth of dying.
Cross the entire map to rez others.
Save others from losing EXP - but suffer major EXP losses cause no one can rez us.

My thinking is that other classes have unique advantages over healing clerics - The clerics unique quality is helping others, on demand, at their own expense.

Why can't clerics have some reward for the charitable actions we do.

My friend suggested that clerics should get 1 rep point for every rez they perform.

I second that idea with a modification, how about 1 rep point for every rez of NON faction members. While we're at it, how about 1 spirit/Rep point as well + 250 coin.

This would not only assure Clerics reclaim "some" of the expense they experience, but would also encourage a lot more responses from clerics that have chosen to minimize their response to cries of help!

Please! rather than flame me by nit picking what clerics don't "have" to do, or that it "shouldn't" cost so much...blah blah blah - those issues are addressed in other threads. Please simply accept the "point" of this...Clerics lose money at the expense of helping all other classes. Cut and dry, plain and simple - this is a fact!

Either expand on this topic or offer a better solution - my goal is to get constructive feedback that the game guys can see as constructive.

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

I ran across another thread that poses an awesome suggestion, which could not only enhance the PWI game, but allow all players an opportunity to perform a charitable and beneficial act that could result in 1 Spirit/Rep point as well.

I think it is relevant and supplemental to the topic of this thread.
Hope it's not a violation of rules to post link to that thread - if so, MOD please make appropriate corrections here and make chastisement as mild as possible?

The other thread is here:
(Please Right click on the link and open in a new tab)
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=2694811#post2694811

They include a vote with that thread!! PLEASE VOTE FOR HIS IDEA -it's a great one

Muah - Heavens Tear · May 2009

As for my opinion. you picked the class, if you don't like it make a new character. You know what a cleric is made for.

Maliza - Heavens Tear · May 2009

1 rep point for a res:

Just stand outside of fb19 untamed for an hour and wohoo 100 rep. Also getting 1 rep a res will be abused: shall i heal a random person, naaaah i'll let him/her die and res him/her (and get a: thanks for ressing me). Now how charitable is that?

The point of the cleric class is to heal/buff/res just like the barbs job is to tank (will a barb get 1 rep for every boss he tanks for others??).

I like the idea of getting rep for being charitable (just got my 5k rep at 80). Only: if it can be abused, it will be.

vagrant0 · May 2009

The problem with any bonus on rezzing is that it could easily be exploited. Kinda contradictory to the class when you have clerics letting their team die just to farm them for rezzes.

Agree with above, you picked the class. Deal with it or move on.

Barbs have to constantly deal with crappy clerics, losing money from grinding (due to repairs), being bugged every 10 mins to tank a boss for free, and going through HP charms like a frat house in a party college goes through beer. They earn the least, get treated like **** when someone snags agro from crits, but they aren't looking for benefits.

Most high level clerics can accept that they will be the second one to die, that they will use up most of their mana charms from a long run, and just plan accordingly. If a level 60+ cleric isn't holding onto a rez scroll and a few dolls, they simply are not prepared. If a cleric does not have a mana charm, they just simply fail at life. If you can't deal with it, you probably won't make it as a cleric.

That said, it's not uncommon, atleast in most of the groups I play with, for the clerics and the tank to recieve either some tips from the other members of the team, second choice of TT mats, or the split of any mirage stones that drop in TT. That's usually enough payment to keep them happy, and depending on how you explain it, most people (who aren't greedy, thankless, ignorant noobs) are willing to agree to this.

Eorween - Heavens Tear · May 2009

Game provide everything a player need..
ever heard of guardian angel..who needs cleric rez

if you dont want to join squad for dungeon runs, cause you burn too many mp charm.then dont
if you dont want to help others do stuff, there are many other clerics out there.
You nor anyone is obligated to anyone.

if you got coin problems..go solo

Shoonhena - Harshlands · May 2009

As long as clerics have no benefit from performing their job anywhere and anytime, you will have people not being helped simply because the cleric is being forced to kill as much as their friends of other classes to advance in the game. So, a solution should be found. Yes, rep points can be abused. Other things could not. First, every time a cleric buffs a person with a buff that person does not already have and every time the cleric rezs someone they should get experience. If a cleric is tracking a quest, every time the cleric rezs someone they could get the experience, and whatever other reward there is for getting one of whatever they are tracking. Maybe even a drop is made for the cleric as if the cleric had killed whatever it was that killed the player.

I don't buy this whole thing about how if a cleric receives something for taking time away from killing then the tank should get more for tanking. Watching my son and his friends it is obvious that they look at it as they are tanks because they get the most glory, experience, and goodies of anyone else in the game. They look at everyone else as "just support personnel" for them. They say everyone else gets less because they deserve less. Offer them even more then sure they will argue whatever they have to in order to get it.

One last thing...everyone other than clerics has a basic job description of kill. So, all the quests tend to be to kill. How about a few cleric quests to force clerics to learn all their job and not have to depend exclusively on killing to advance in the game?

zamm · May 2009

I would like to say as i am a cleric agree with whats been said there should be something more for clerics with out us there would be no game, no TTs or any other of these quests. When someone dies do they go to town no they scream cleric. When we die we lose lots of exp when others die and we rez them they lose little very unfair. Who dies most in this game the cleric.

So PW people who make this game how about it ???????? have some thought for us please.

Sylvini - Heavens Tear · May 2009

Highestelf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Heal in FB runs.
Random buff an incalculable number of times per session.
Save strangers in passing, as they are within a hairs breadth of dying.
Cross the entire map to rez others.
Save others from losing EXP - but suffer major EXP losses cause no one can rez us.

Ok, so it's:
1.)Mp spent
2.)Mp spent
3.)Mp spent
4.)Ok, that bites, but you can always say "No", or ask them to pay tele expenses
5.)Same problem everyone else faces: finding a cleric to rez you, or you can just use GAs instead of relying on the random belevolence (and presence) of passing clerics.

So, basically, what you really need is a way to recover MP. Maybe something like Essential Sutra for the BMs, only for MP instead of HP, and costing Chi instead of MP? Maybe something like the MP restoration Venos have, long cooldown but no cost whatsoever?

Dioica - Sanctuary · May 2009

I currently have no problems with giving clerics donations when they go out of their way to be helping me or my friends. Nor do I have any problems with giving them a larger part of our split in TT if they have to use their blue ball skill, or something.

But if clerics were given some sort of automatic reward, I would no longer be interested in giving away my apothecaries or potions or shares or whatevers.

Sky_queen - Heavens Tear · May 2009

yes it is true that clerics are the weakess it the game. i should know cause i am a cleric and i solo most of the time. We are the first to die, and not get rez when we rez someone else who just died, but then we end up dying...yeah that sucks.

As clerics we need s skill to replenish our mana from our chi. cause lets face it without our mana we die.

Another thing to do is reduce our SP when learning a skill. There are alot of skills a cleric have.

We can have a skill called Phoenix Which could cost alot to cast, but in the event that we do die the skill phoenix would bring us back to life, but only for that one time. Any other time after that the skill will have to be recast.

Lets face it CERTAIN clerics do not like to go out of their way to rez someone. And a cleric can only depend on him/ herself.
A cleric demanding a reward will kinda defeat the whole purpose of being a cleric. We're supposed to be a holy symbol a ray of light for all those classes who can't heal themselves. or bring themselves back to life. poor souls i'll help you.

Phsyco - Lost City · May 2009

Highestelf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

My friend suggested that clerics should get 1 rep point for every rez they perform.

1 rep per rez?!?!? dam!! If you get that i want 1 rep per death lol.

FangJingShan - Lost City · May 2009

Highestelf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am a cleric. Another cleric and I were discussing the incredible amount of cost we expend towards helping others.

We burn mp at our expense to:

Heal in FB runs.
Random buff an incalculable number of times per session.
Save strangers in passing, as they are within a hairs breadth of dying.
Cross the entire map to rez others.
Save others from losing EXP - but suffer major EXP losses cause no one can rez us.

My thinking is that other classes have unique advantages over healing clerics - The clerics unique quality is helping others, on demand, at their own expense.

Why can't clerics have some reward for the charitable actions we do.

My friend suggested that clerics should get 1 rep point for every rez they perform.

I second that idea with a modification, how about 1 rep point for every rez of NON faction members. While we're at it, how about 1 spirit/Rep point as well + 250 coin.

This would not only assure Clerics reclaim "some" of the expense they experience, but would also encourage a lot more responses from clerics that have chosen to minimize their response to cries of help!

Please! rather than flame me by nit picking what clerics don't "have" to do, or that it "shouldn't" cost so much...blah blah blah - those issues are addressed in other threads. Please simply accept the "point" of this...Clerics lose money at the expense of helping all other classes. Cut and dry, plain and simple - this is a fact!

Either expand on this topic or offer a better solution - my goal is to get constructive feedback that the game guys can see as constructive.

The only thing a cleric loses when they heal/buff/resurrect is MP. However, there is a little emote called meditate which will recover all of that MP very quickly.

Also, it is always your choice to do any of these. Your purpose in the game is to do this, but you do not have to do it for just anyone. You can limit it to only people you know or people you are grinding/questing with. You do not actually lose anything because MP can be regenerated easily.

If they made it so you get 1 rep for each person you resurrect, then why not 1 rep for every mob a veno pulls, or 1 rep for every boss barbarians tank, or 1 rep for every boss archer/mage/blademaster DD's for? If they give any reward for what the class is designed to do, they have to do it for everyone, and then rep is too easily gained.

Feito - Dreamweaver · May 2009

The highest level I got to as an Elf Priest was 29-ish... Do you guys really res people that much? Today I was just thinking that Clerics should get a little bit of exp when they heal another player but I guess that would explooge the whole system, wouldn't it? b:shutup

RedsRose - Lost City · May 2009

Phsyco - Lost City wrote: »

1 rep per rez?!?!? dam!! If you get that i want 1 rep per death lol.

Phy, I would be rank 5 at this point I got rep from resing....b:cuteb:chuckle

(*and you know what I mean

*)

Feito - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The highest level I got to as an Elf Priest was 29-ish... Do you guys really res people that much? Today I was just thinking that Clerics should get a little bit of exp when they heal another player but I guess that would explooge the whole system, wouldn't it? b:shutup

Yes and no...it all depends.

I can say that there have been plenty of times when I have gone out of my way to res people (mostly friends and guildies). To be honest though, once I was past about level 70, I rarely res. I will however do it if someone is in the area and asks nicely.

As far as "receiving" something for what our class is designed to do...eh.

That would be like a Barb constantly demanding repair costs for tanking bosses or doing HH/TT runs. It does not happen. I try to compensate Barbs and I have good enough friends that will help me with mp costs (although I don't take anything).

Point is --> Clerics are designed to heal and support. This does NOT mean that they cannot DD or Tank anything...because believe me we can, however when it comes down to it there are too many factors and too many issues that could arise if something like this was to be implemented.

If someone is nice enough to offer something after a res (which has happened), I personally would not take it and have not taken. Why should we get rewarded for a skill that was given to our class for a reason? It can be a pain but in the end it pays off many times over. Besides it is YOUR choice whether to go and res someone or heal someone, no one is forcing you.

** Trust me though, there are PLENTY of people who know the value of Clerics. We on the most wanted lists for every FB, HH/TT, TW, etc. b:cute

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

Constructive "suggestions" please!
Opinions are like belly buttons, "EVERY BODIES got one!!"

Muah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As for my opinion. you picked the class, if you don't like it make a new character. You know what a cleric is made for.

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

Did you read a previous comment that Barbs get screwed?

As I read that I was thinking back to all my previous FB runs where I got zip. But the system message is scrolling away...so and so got this item, so and so got that item. I was tabber and got nothing....supposed to be satisfied that i got the FB done and all others get "PAID!"

DUH!!! The barb/Tank is first one in and starts grabbing!

Shoonhena - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't buy this whole thing about how if a cleric receives something for taking time away from killing then the tank should get more for tanking. Watching my son and his friends it is obvious that they look at it as they are tanks because they get the most glory, experience, and goodies of anyone else in the game. They look at everyone else as "just support personnel" for them. They say everyone else gets less because they deserve less. Offer them even more then sure they will argue whatever they have to in order to get it.

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

ROFL....
I love starting threads just to see the colors that develop in the conversation.

I mean this sincerely...TY for lifting my mood.

Phsyco - Lost City wrote: »

1 rep per rez?!?!? dam!! If you get that i want 1 rep per death lol.

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

I have heard it suggested that if I don't like the expectations put on cleric then create another class.

HMmmm....

I have an alt - A Blademaster that I am leveling fast - funny thing about my Cleric, he is always broke. Even funnier, my B.M. raises cash on every mission. Go figure.

I created Cleric first because I do like helping others.
I have never (that I can recall) received a single payment for my services - but I can assure you, the times I had to refuse an offer were very few.

Today alone, I ran around the map helping low level players kill their bosses - I had no expectations for anything but helping. In fact, I helped a level 27 veno clear 3 challenges and handed over every single drop I received. Why? That's how I roll baby.

I would suggest anyone that dare imply I am stupid for not keeping those drops are not qualified to comment on the charitable nature of a cleric(actually it was my B.M. that assisted the veno and handed over the drops acquired while killing her mobs - and yes, I still made money on that run, doing my own thing.)

So, hopefully I put to rest the idea that I am "complaining" - I simply raised the suggestion that charity "could" have some spiritual reward. Isn't that how it works in real world religion?

I would also be careful about recommending clerics stop being clerics if they find it too unfair, would YOU REALLY like to see that many clerics no longer available to save your life?

Shadowdragon - Harshlands · May 2009

I played a cleric till about lvl 43 I think... The only benefit I think a cleric should get is cheaper skills. A majority of cleric skills are very beneficial unlike say a BM who only uses one path until much much later. But as for getting benefits from res. That's a horrible idea and here's why. I play on a pvp server.

Kill >> res >> kill >> res so on. Sure you can port to town, but what if you're in the middle of some place far from town? Or even say luring chin and getting aoe'd to death only to HAVE to get res'd or you lose exp. Cases like that will become more frequent.

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary · May 2009

Personally, I ignore random res plea's from others as I fly over. Unless Im in a really good mood.

If you dont have an angel, bummer. Buy them. Res to town and grind your lost experience. Who res's a cleric when they die? No one.

You learn as you go, about being a cleric. Go on TT runs? Bring res scrolls and angels. When you hit 50+, its a good idea to always be equipped with a gold MP charm. Most cost effective.

Clerics can be appreciated a great deal, when you build your own personal reputation with others. If you are a dependable, attentive and skilled cleric, people will add you to their FL and invite you to FB's, TT's, RB's and Zhens, before asking someone they dont know.

Being a cleric is VERY rewarding. And trust me, we have it easy compared to barbs/bm's. Their repair cost is insanely high.

It all comes as part of being a cleric. Get used to it, it gets more challenging at higher levels. Hang in there tho :-))

I DO wish that clerics had an ability to regain MP similiar to the skill that veno's have. Sure comes in handy when your MP charm runs out unexpectedly.

But in that case, you should always have backup pots/remedies/charms.

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

I think you have an excellent job of addressing some cleric issues - but I'd like to comment on them.

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

Personally, I ignore random res plea's from others as I fly over. Unless Im in a really good mood.

OK...On this point, u r on the other spectrum from me and many of my cleric friends..."WE" accept that we are clerics with unique skills "needed" by others and "WE" respond to calls for help from "ANYONE!"

Perhaps this is why "SOME PEOPLE" get it and some don't? "WE" are not complaining nor do we intend to refuse helping others, including strangers. So, I would suggest that "WE" do experience greater expenses than a cleric such as yourself. Mind you - I am not criticizing you, you have chosen a path as one should expect from a FULL ATTACK CLERIC! I am a squishy healer and I am available to anyone that needs me - assuming I am available of course.

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you don't have an angel, bummer. Buy them. Res to town and grind your lost experience. Who rez's a cleric when they die? No one.

I have NEVER had an angel. I have purchased a Rez scroll once at an early level - took away every cent I needed for skills upgrade. Again, I am always broke, after paying for skills upgrade and replacing pots. Don't have the coin for Angels or scrolls.

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

You learn as you go, about being a cleric. Go on TT runs? Bring res scrolls and angels. When you hit 50+, its a good idea to always be equipped with a gold MP charm. Most cost effective.

"Bring rez scroll's" - That is plural - great advice for those that can't afford a single scroll!

MP Charms - To purchase? Again - an expense beyond my tolerance!
To manufacture - get this, I need to decompose gear to get stones, need a **** load of stones to make charms.
Hmmm, from someone who's always broke - I have 2 choices
1) Sell the gear for coin and buy pots
2) Decompose gear for stones and run out on quest with no pots!

Let's see now, the only way I make money is from selling gear after a quest!
BTW - I do obviously BUY stones to improve gear and other misc expenses.

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

Clerics can be appreciated a great deal, when you build your own personal reputation with others. If you are a dependable, attentive and skilled cleric, people will add you to their FL and invite you to FB's, TT's, RB's and Zhens, before asking someone they don't know.

Believe me..I have a friend list longer than a gangsters rap sheet!
I BELIEVE I am appreciated, I get invited to make FB runs and come out of dungeon broke because I burned my mp pots on the poor, disadvantaged Tank to heap heals on him so He can survive, get the good drops and sell them to pay for his repairs and upgrades

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

Being a cleric is VERY rewarding. And trust me, we have it easy compared to barbs/bm's. Their repair cost is insanely high.

ROFL!
OMG!!!
Read my previous response PLEASE!!!

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

It all comes as part of being a cleric. Get used to it, it gets more challenging at higher levels. Hang in there tho :-))

Get used to WHAT!??!
You just said "clerics have it easy!"
So, what should I get used to?
Again, this is NOT a rant on "NOT LIKING THE CLERIC ROLE"
It was a simple question, and obviously some people "get it!"
Mostly the clerics that DO help others "regularly" and DO rez on request!

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

I DO wish that clerics had an ability to regain MP similiar to the skill that veno's have. Sure comes in handy when your MP charm runs out unexpectedly.

OK!!
You finally acknowledge that MP expense is HIGH for CLERIC!
YOU also acknowledge another class has a desirable skill that would be nice for Clerics. Now we are getting somewhere.
What the hell was all the other educational input about? ALL clerics KNOW about Angels, Scrolls and Charms - we don't need to be told what is available - if the expense on those items were tolerable for most, perhaps we wouldn't be concerned about our expenses so much?

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

But in that case, you should always have backup pots/remedies/charms.

Again, Pots? Remedies? Charms?
Do you really think I should carry those? Hmmm - I'll spread the word to all my cleric friends as soon as I get back to game!

__Longshot__ - Sanctuary · May 2009

How about a Donate button? Someone rezzes you, you have the choice to donate 1 rep(per 24 hours).

RedsRose - Lost City · May 2009

Although I can understand what you are saying (from your point of view), I would like to throw few comments of my own in.....

Highestelf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think you have an excellent job of addressing some cleric issues - but I'd like to comment on them.

OK...On this point, u r on the other spectrum from me and many of my cleric friends..."WE" accept that we are clerics with unique skills "needed" by others and "WE" respond to calls for help from "ANYONE!"

No....It is not our "job" to respond to every call for help that is thrown out there. We are not slaves. I have turned people down before in helping for numerous reasons: too far away, did not have proper crew for boss/fb/tt-hh, etc.

Perhaps this is why "SOME PEOPLE" get it and some don't? "WE" are not complaining nor do we intend to refuse helping others, including strangers. So, I would suggest that "WE" do experience greater expenses than a cleric such as yourself. Mind you - I am not criticizing you, you have chosen a path as one should expect from a FULL ATTACK CLERIC! I am a squishy healer and I am available to anyone that needs me - assuming I am available of course.

Refusing to help someone could have any number of reasons as to why the refusal was made. I just can not imagine helping every single person who wanted a heal, res or buffs. Thank goodness the higher levels understand this and don't scream, shout, holler, etc. In fact, if I am in a safe location/area and someone asks for buffs...sure but I do not go around asking people.

In terms of expenses...our largest output is in charms, or in your case pots b:surrender

I have NEVER had an angel. I have purchased a Rez scroll once at an early level - took away every cent I needed for skills upgrade. Again, I am always broke, after paying for skills upgrade and replacing pots. Don't have the coin for Angels or scrolls.

Ouch....thats painful to here. Additionally, you don't have to upgrade your skills constantly...there are many skills that you can hold off on until your 70's. Yes, some can be expensive, but in comparing the skill costs of other classes, ours are not much different. Oh and a res scroll.....IF you are going to be doing TT/HH, I highly recommend you have one! It really suc's if someone dies and you have to stop and wait for them to come back. I have had the squads purchase there Clerics the res scrolls, which was very nice of them b:cute, considering I don't ask.

"Bring rez scroll's" - That is plural - great advice for those that can't afford a single scroll!

MP Charms - To purchase? Again - an expense beyond my tolerance!
To manufacture - get this, I need to decompose gear to get stones, need a **** load of stones to make charms.
Hmmm, from someone who's always broke - I have 2 choices
1) Sell the gear for coin and buy pots
2) Decompose gear for stones and run out on quest with no pots!

Ok...really if you do the math a gold charm is SO much more cost efficient then pots.

Let's see now, the only way I make money is from selling gear after a quest!
BTW - I do obviously BUY stones to improve gear and other misc expenses.

There are SOOOOOOOO many other ways to make $$ in this game!! Why are you not utilizing these things? b:surrender

Believe me..I have a friend list longer than a gangsters rap sheet!
I BELIEVE I am appreciated, I get invited to make FB runs and come out of dungeon broke because I burned my mp pots on the poor, disadvantaged Tank to heap heals on him so He can survive, get the good drops and sell them to pay for his repairs and upgrades

I don't know what crews you are parting in, but in the crews I run with, the tabber gets the boss drops. The rest is random. The exp alone is worth the trips inside. AND, I can say that Tanks do have insane repair costs. Easily 60-100k on average. Also, most Tanks I know are behind on there skills until later in there levels.

ROFL!
OMG!!!
Read my previous response PLEASE!!!

Please read above answer. I have NEVER had a repair bill over 40k (that was a LONG boss/hh-tt day b:surrender). And any drops that tanks get, go to repairs and often they lose money. This is whether for fb's, bosses and even simple grinding.

Get used to WHAT!??!
You just said "clerics have it easy!"
So, what should I get used to?
Again, this is NOT a rant on "NOT LIKING THE CLERIC ROLE"
It was a simple question, and obviously some people "get it!"
Mostly the clerics that DO help others "regularly" and DO rez on request!

OK!!
You finally acknowledge that MP expense is HIGH for CLERIC!
YOU also acknowledge another class has a desirable skill that would be nice for Clerics. Now we are getting somewhere.
What the hell was all the other educational input about? ALL clerics KNOW about Angels, Scrolls and Charms - we don't need to be told what is available - if the expense on those items were tolerable for most, perhaps we wouldn't be concerned about our expenses so much?

Yes, the MP cost is high, but it is not intolerableness. I think that you need to find a better way of getting coins then selling drops. Farm and sell mats...just a suggestion. In my humble opinion, it seems as though you "hide" behind the $$ issue when in fact there are a TON of ways for ppl to make coins in the game without even trying.

Again, Pots? Remedies? Charms?
Do you really think I should carry those? Hmmm - I'll spread the word to all my cleric friends as soon as I get back to game!

I think that many would be foolish not to at some point. There are going to be situations where all of this is essential. And as for mp charms...Regeneration Aura and Heaven's Wrath...All I have to say.

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary · May 2009

Highestelf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think you have an excellent job of addressing some cleric issues - but I'd like to comment on them.

OK...On this point, u r on the other spectrum from me and many of my cleric friends..."WE" accept that we are clerics with unique skills "needed" by others and "WE" respond to calls for help from "ANYONE!"

Perhaps this is why "SOME PEOPLE" get it and some don't? "WE" are not complaining nor do we intend to refuse helping others, including strangers. So, I would suggest that "WE" do experience greater expenses than a cleric such as yourself. Mind you - I am not criticizing you, you have chosen a path as one should expect from a FULL ATTACK CLERIC! I am a squishy healer and I am available to anyone that needs me - assuming I am available of course.

I have NEVER had an angel. I have purchased a Rez scroll once at an early level - took away every cent I needed for skills upgrade. Again, I am always broke, after paying for skills upgrade and replacing pots. Don't have the coin for Angels or scrolls.

"Bring rez scroll's" - That is plural - great advice for those that can't afford a single scroll!

MP Charms - To purchase? Again - an expense beyond my tolerance!
To manufacture - get this, I need to decompose gear to get stones, need a **** load of stones to make charms.
Hmmm, from someone who's always broke - I have 2 choices
1) Sell the gear for coin and buy pots
2) Decompose gear for stones and run out on quest with no pots!

Let's see now, the only way I make money is from selling gear after a quest!
BTW - I do obviously BUY stones to improve gear and other misc expenses.

Believe me..I have a friend list longer than a gangsters rap sheet!
I BELIEVE I am appreciated, I get invited to make FB runs and come out of dungeon broke because I burned my mp pots on the poor, disadvantaged Tank to heap heals on him so He can survive, get the good drops and sell them to pay for his repairs and upgrades

ROFL!
OMG!!!
Read my previous response PLEASE!!!

Get used to WHAT!??!
You just said "clerics have it easy!"
So, what should I get used to?
Again, this is NOT a rant on "NOT LIKING THE CLERIC ROLE"
It was a simple question, and obviously some people "get it!"
Mostly the clerics that DO help others "regularly" and DO rez on request!

OK!!
You finally acknowledge that MP expense is HIGH for CLERIC!
YOU also acknowledge another class has a desirable skill that would be nice for Clerics. Now we are getting somewhere.
What the hell was all the other educational input about? ALL clerics KNOW about Angels, Scrolls and Charms - we don't need to be told what is available - if the expense on those items were tolerable for most, perhaps we wouldn't be concerned about our expenses so much?

Again, Pots? Remedies? Charms?
Do you really think I should carry those? Hmmm - I'll spread the word to all my cleric friends as soon as I get back to game!

Thank you for dissecting my post like it was your biology exam.

My previous post was in no way meant to 'rag' on you, or preach you. It was more directed towards the general public.

You are correct, I am on the opposite end of the spectrum as you and your friends. After playing a cleric for 5 months, I really dont see why people are so lazy to hit the go to town button and grind the lost exp.

I dont know how much a gold MP charm costs on your server, but I can get one at 350k on Sanctuary.

With that single gold MP charm, I can Zhen for about 2-3 hours, therefore, raking in about 500-700k and gaining a tremendous amount of exeperience. Or I can do TT runs, and sell the mats I dont really need for a good price on AH or in a catshop, and make easy millions.

RR makes a valid point. I do not think you have fully grasped the concept of money making in this game. Hiding behind the 'not having enough money' factor is not a good enough excuse.

And you think your skills are expensive now? Just wait. Not to mention, your Rejuvenation Aura will be your most used skills as a support cleric. Lets pray to whoever you worship in that you have a gold MP charm equipped.

Highestelf - Heavens Tear · May 2009

I am not foolish enough to argue with higher level players, that have the benefit of much experience beyond mine!

I do appreciate the points made as they will benefit me and others in the end!

With that said, I would still point out that amounts such as 350k are thrown around as if that is pocket change. For me, it might as well be 3.5 mil.

I really think it would divert from the purpose of this thread for me to go into detail of what/how I do/don't make efforts to make money. Perhaps it boils down to personality and some, like myself, expend too much time and effort on others rather than our own needs.

Today, I ran across a Level 45 Cleric who was trying to level, I was bored and chose to assist her. I came to discover she has "NO" apoth skill at all, can't even make a LvL 1 Life powder. Amazingly she has been setting attrib points correctly at 6 2 2. She is in a faction, I am completely amazed that none of her guild mates picked up on this and got her straightened out.

Despite my holding her hand to the elder, Book merchant and apothecary, we weren't able to get an opportunity for her to get basic apothecary path started.

My point is that I took it upon myself to educate, and attempt to help her, rather than grinding for my own benefit - something several higher level clerics have done for me! She was completely amazed at my willingness to assist her as much as I did.

So, is it a personality thing? Probably!

Regardless what level we are, those below us look up to us for help and answers. It's amazing how many people really need that!

BTW, as I write this the solution popped into my head - we were not in Plume city, which I believe was the reason none of the NPC were helpful!?

Krisnda - Lost City · May 2009

Muah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As for my opinion. you picked the class, if you don't like it make a new character. You know what a cleric is made for.

this is true, and (im going to say it anywayb:shutup) clerics dont have to heal people, or rex them, they shouldnt get free stuff just for helping people when people like barbs or blades go and take hits or venos with their pets taking hits for people. thats what clerics are designed to do, help people and if you dont like helping people for free then either charge them a price for rezing them or choose another class...b:surrender

Inias - Heavens Tear · May 2009

if we're talking about ressing anyway b:pleased

can't game devs give us patch so we can choose if we wan't to use our GA or not? >_> if we're not in pk mode

like , why would u use your GA if the cleric used a lvl 10 revive on u >_< seriously busines busines ....

but quite frankly i don't actually need to get something out of rez ing ppl ^^

i do it because i like to help ppl

altho there are a few points that i would like to c for clerics >_>

seriously what did u guys give us for our mana consumption? an MP and HP rec buff >_> wich heals 10 every (says 1sec) acually every 2 sec , BUT OK !

plz make it 20 /sec

seriously
ironheart blessing :229.5 mp per cast
channel 1 sec
cast 1 sec
SO

because in fact the skill only heals every 2 sec

= 10mp each 2 sec
IH used 229.5 MP /2sec
add the mag attribute Mp rec

~= 190mp /2sec
~= 95mp/sec

random cleric has 7500 mp

so 7500/95 = 80 sec
this is theoreticly
in game u also have the ingame time that's faster then RL time
also we can't attack , cus we go into attack mode and mp rec drops to sh*t

i guess wizards deal with the same problem altho their skills aren't half as important as the cleric skills if the cleric is keeping the barb alive

but oh well, GM s and game devs are doing great job
i know we ppl are hard to satisfy XD

Sesshoumaru - Dreamweaver · May 2009

Seriously people, to be frank and honest about this thread, it has its ups and downs. Yes the rep/1 sp can and will be abused. You can do like I've done in the past. I've stated when asked to kill a boss i want the coin to repair my items (which is a fair cost for destroying a boss for someone else). But I am not going to flame you for thinking of this idea because its has it pros and cons. If they want a rez hmm 5k per rez. simple as that or they can go back to town.

erethizon1 · May 2009

Sylvini - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So, basically, what you really need is a way to recover MP. Maybe something like Essential Sutra for the BMs, only for MP instead of HP, and costing Chi instead of MP? Maybe something like the MP restoration Venos have, long cooldown but no cost whatsoever?

Those would be absolutely spectacular. Something that could be used without making us drop Blue Ball would be ideal, but anything to increase mana regen would be great. I would like to see something that increases mana regen by a few hundred per second for a few minutes that can be used maybe once an hour. Just so we could us BB for a boss without having to drain a charm (BB throws us into attack mode so our mp regen rate is cut down to 25% of normal).

vagrant0 · May 2009

erethizon1 wrote: »

Those would be absolutely spectacular. Something that could be used without making us drop Blue Ball would be ideal, but anything to increase mana regen would be great. I would like to see something that increases mana regen by a few hundred per second for a few minutes that can be used maybe once an hour. Just so we could us BB for a boss without having to drain a charm (BB throws us into attack mode so our mp regen rate is cut down to 25% of normal).

You get a magic regen buff, this is your sutra. You can also use drugs, made from things that can be gathered easily just as you're running around.

Instead of suggesting things similar to what other classes get, how about solving the problem at the source? Just decrease mp costs by 10% or so depending on the skill and the level of the skill. It may not be some magical solution, but is likely easier to do without causing any sort of imbalance, and reduces the burden.

As for the OP's money woes... Unless you're using zhen and selling it, EVERYONE has money problems early on, even venos. It isn't until you get to around level 70 or 80 that things start turning around. Clerics below level 60 may not need rezz scrolls, but they should ALWAYS have a mp charm or enough drugs to make up for it in a pinch. If you are finding that you don't have enough money, take a day, and just run around gathering mats, then selling to others. If barbs can subsidize their costs doing this (when they end up having massive repair bills AND MUST have a hp charm for any bosses), anyone can.

Clerics SPEND more on others, give them something in return

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