Fac?

no. he highly reccomends that you stay pure int as a fac to have the highest possible damage. that being said, yes, it does have something to do with stats. on the other hand, he ignores 1 entire tree of the priest's skills, the "support" part. that consisting of heals, revive, purify, etc.

he insist that debuffing a nomal monster with -20% mdef with ensure you kill it 2 hits faster than that guy next to you. in fact, a monster with less than 1k mdef getting hit for -20%, you'll notice a 20-50 damage increase on a normal mob. the only thing his pve tactic brings you is a higher repair bill and a big waste of coin/time because the mob will be aggroed sooner, thus getting to you sooner.

he also claims that his skills in pvp are far better than that of a "support" cleric. because, you know, only fac's can level their attack skills, and everybody leveling the support tree do almost half damage. lol.

whatever. his guide is flawed out the ****, and people know that. they directed it in all of his threads, and every one of them has been locked.

blah blah blah. i know exactly why everything happened. i don't care. the point is you died to a level 32 miniboss that probably hit under 100. hits me for about 56.

OMG guys, FAC is fail, plssss.

Rinnve you actually lvl IH that LATE? You have any idea how much money u wasted on pots?
Cleric are support chars. Clerics are supposed to heal. MOST magic attack come from the weapon youre using, not the ammount of magic itself actually, try not using a HH weapon, your damage will be with luck 1000-1000.

Indeed Cayeons guide said he HAD Iron to lvl bcs he couldnt keep up the dmg with pots, but many many skills with (healing) are better then IH for emergency situation (wellspring) not using it it a bit dumb. And using magic debuff has first skills its not good, bcs mobs run fast and catch you, hit you, repair bill. Why not using Cyclone instead first... oh FAC...
Not levelling Res also? Fail. Cayeons guide was good for looking at which mobs to kill

because only a fac can level their attack skills, eh? they always did say ignorance was bliss.

Cleric can save you XP. If you dont lvl rez NO ONE will want you in their squad.
VIT is neccessary for TW, are very important part in a game.

If you go DDing and doing damage whos gonna heal and buff ppl?

OFC you can help sleeping ppl and stuffs, but yet

Your damage being vit build with Grief HH70 2064-2470

Your damage being pure mag build (which is not fac, same weapon) 2751-3293

Vit build has at 71 lvl, 105 vit, which means 1050 HP more. Even with tonnns of shard and refining you cant get as much hp as that.

Plus you wont kill mobs THAT faster, they will reach you.

And fac build is only attack, so youre not allowed to use heals. If you use them then youre not anymore a fac, just a pure magic build...

Ppl talk, and rumors are the most important source of info xD

Zorish - Harshlands wrote: »

Not levelling Res also? Fail. Cayeons guide was good for looking at which mobs to kill

Save yourself some time and get a GA. Stop depending on every cleric to get max ress to wipe ur ****. Lv1 ress? BooHoo. Deal with it :P it aint armagedon yet.

A Cleric nuke spell deal more damage than a Wizard with same equipment and over the same amount of time, that's the fact. I can easily out damage a wizard 5 level higher than me with TT60 and she using TT70 so it's not about the weapon.

About supporting, in 70% situation, 1 cleric is enough to heal tank, 20% is when vs strong AOE boss, we require to be secondary healer, and the last 10% is you poor loser pull agro of like 5 mobs at the same tie and 1 cleric have to set up BB and we try to save your sorry ****.

Agreeed with Rinnve, as long as you and the main cleric can keep everyone alive, nobody care about your rez, my rez level still haven't give me any difficulty in getting a squad for TT / FB. As I said, it's the way you socialise with others, you just failed as a human being that can't get any friend and support when trying to go vs the norm.

A cleric can get all suppport, debuff and attack skill, but when a cleric with the same level (at 79) have lvl 10 rez, lvl 10 chromatic heal, lvl 8 stream of rege, BB and maybe some level of chromatic seal, you got lvl 10 on all debuff skills and maxed all your nuke spell, especially with the release of Genie.

And playing FAC require time to get used to multi task, that being said, don't expect a low level newb to do his job right. But everything will change after they spend sometimes in game. A good FAC never let the main cleric and the tank die.

Ok, this is SLIGHTLY off topic but falls right in line with the thread I promise. I began with a FAC mentality, but being in an awesome faction with patient people I learned that if you are a cleric that wants to do some damage and still remain useful to your friends, you can hold true to your original goal of being a high DDing bad **** but still afford maxed res, maxed ironheart.

For me, I skipped the seals because the time it takes to cast them means 1 less hit that will kill a mob before it even touches me. It's all in how you play the game, how you equip yourself, and the tactics you use. I have BB, level 1 AOE heal is more than enough for healing everyone in between, and as squishy as I am I survive when I back up a good team that takes the time to form a strategy. Of course, a front cleric is also useful because there are some cases where chain healing is just tons easier regardless of party structure or build.

I'm tired of hearing people tell others "You're useless without more in this stat" or "You'll be nothing without this skill or this sort of armor". Honestly, I'm starting to become deaf to people who like to pin any class to a single job or build. Ordering others around in TT/HH and FB runs is not cool. Squads almost always turn sour when I start hearing this kind of **** the ENTIRE run:

"Tanks just tank, they don't need to worry about DDing (which I have to say is pretty stupid. Even with aggro skills, if someone like a wiz out damages they can steal aggro), Clerics don't you dare stop healing to get a hit or two in your damage contribution is nothing. Don't bother debuffing because that extra couple hundred points won't matter. Pullers all you need to do is pull" etc etc etc

Because you know, the 60/70/80+ levels you spent busting your butt to get to where you are doesn't mean anything compared to the knowledge these people have gained by reading about your class, occasionally trying their hand at it, or what they may have heard from "pros". Look, I get that we need to keep IH piled on whoever has aggro, but if you see that they don't require so much maintenance then go for the fun of multi tasking if you want to

I've been in runs where there were individuals who called people TANK or HEALER the entire time. We made names for a reason. >.> anyway sorry for the vent, but after reading more close minded opinions this became something I needed off my chest. No more RawR RawR or QQing b:victory

Play how you like because there will always be squads that know how to balance themselves out and think beyond copy and paste strategies. This is a game, be creative and HAVE FUN WITH IT ^^

Reading this is just sad, get your facts straight.
FAC's = NO HEALS, you are useless to your self, who cars about parties if you cant help your self.

If you level your heals you are just another cleric who likes to DD more then heal, nothing else...

About out DD wizards....really whats next, we can tank better then barbs?

Omg, even this late in the game people are still defending FAC's? You guys are all so bad... b:surrender

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

no. he highly reccomends that you stay pure int as a fac to have the highest possible damage. that being said, yes, it does have something to do with stats. on the other hand, he ignores 1 entire tree of the priest's skills, the "support" part. that consisting of heals, revive, purify, etc.

he insist that debuffing a nomal monster with -20% mdef with ensure you kill it 2 hits faster than that guy next to you. in fact, a monster with less than 1k mdef getting hit for -20%, you'll notice a 20-50 damage increase on a normal mob. the only thing his pve tactic brings you is a higher repair bill and a big waste of coin/time because the mob will be aggroed sooner, thus getting to you sooner.

he also claims that his skills in pvp are far better than that of a "support" cleric. because, you know, only fac's can level their attack skills, and everybody leveling the support tree do almost half damage. lol.

whatever. his guide is flawed out the ****, and people know that. they directed it in all of his threads, and every one of them has been locked.

forp you just don't get it, facs exist. live with it and be forever beaten by them.

you say that he highly recommends being full int to be a good fac, so??
i highly recommend using magic weapons over melee weapons as a cleric. but if you did for some strange reason use melee weapons it doesn't mean you aren't a cleric. hopefully you can see the connection without me needing to explain further

and i consistently see you speaking about debuffing things with already low magic def, and you say its pointless. but its not pointless at all, debuffing defense at lower numbers is actually better because its a higher increase in damage due to the diminishing returns of defense stats. and where you say that debuffing makes you do more damage and so you get aggroed sooner, so what? its a normal mob who gives a dam what gets aggroed on you, it will be down in 3-4 hits if its been debuffed anyway. you're argument is invalid

nowhere in his guide did he say that support clerics only level their heals. ive seen you post this before too so i read the whole guide again, its not there. and facs level skills to have their highest damage output. its pretty obvious that cleric vs cleric, the fac will almost always win. if a lv 70 had all their heal spells in use and neglected debuffs well then you will be less useful in solo pvp, last time i checked having lv 10 res doesn't help yourself, and if your solo pvping with blue bubble up... well I'm just not sure you know what you're doing. the only heal useful for solo pvp is ironheart blessing, and its the only heal facs ever get. the skills a fac get make them the most threatening in solo pvp for their lv, a support can never match that. no questions asked.

his guide is flawed??? who are you to tell anybody what is or is not flawed??? from you're point of view he's flawed and from his point of view you're flawed
the only difference is you're fighting something that isn't even fighting you, go kick a tree next time you're walking to school. you'll get a similar response.

i used to read you're posts and think you were cool. a lot of times you really do put people in their place, but your repeated thrashing of something that you *believe* doesn't exist is just so stupid i cant even fathom it. hating something doesn't make it go away. i absolutely hate rap, pop, dance, r&b (i think that's what its called) and pretty much any music which isn't melodic death metal. but that doesn't mean those things don't exist!