Fac?

Fleez - Heavens Tear

Wat is a FAC? i mean i KNOW wat it stands for(full atack cleric)... but wat EXACTALY is it and.... why is it so bad?? I mean... i here ppl say that FAC=fail(even more than wizard?b:shutup)? so ya can some1 explain to me a FAC and why they say its bad thing to do(thinking of making a cleric)b:thanks

Forp - Heavens Tear

clerics were born to heal, hence their role as the healing class in the game. a fac doesn't heal. simple as that.

they have 5(sometimes 3, wtf?) vit. that being said, they're a 1 hit to any and every class in the game, and they're a 1 hit for the aoe of 60% of the bosses after level 70.

they're completely solo-grind oriented. that's their purpose. they have no place in a party situation, nor a party for that matter. unless you plan on blocking yourself off from the rest of pw, never doing a simple hh run for your gears, never participating in tw, this build is definitely for u.


HOWEVER, if u plan to have fun while u play pw as a cleric, you'll make yourself useful and not mr. solodolo up there.

Fleez - Heavens Tear

so in other words i better puts some damn vit. in there and foucus on my heals and buffs foremost?

Zephyrx - Lost City

FAC = Full ****-hole Cleric.

Trust me, there's tons running around servers. It's a never-ending supply of them at Plume City due to much Elf smex.

Rinnve - Lost City

Well, as a former FAC, i can tell why it is bad. It is not really, if you play cleric correctly. But. Playing correctly means maxed ironheart 'cause it helps so much it cannot be ignored. Then, if your guildies require a healer and you refuse to help just because you do not want heal anybody besides yourself... isn't it a bit too selfish? That's why i ended up being just pure mag 70lvl cleric. (And no, i was not 1 hit to anything except crits of high-8X archers. Quite squishy, but ironheart of pure mag build do wonders; of course it does not helps against aoe bosses so pure mage is bad for support.)

Also, saying that clerics are born to heal is COMPLETELY incorrect, this point of view takes out about 60% of cleric's powers. Cleric can be quite a deadly attacker. Very versatile class. Good cleric knows how to heal AND how to kill, and when.

Fleez - Heavens Tear wrote: »

so in other words i better puts some damn vit.

Yes. Pure mag hits harder but not too much, about +15%. Vit build is better, much more balanced.

Fleez - Heavens Tear wrote: »

foucus on my heals and buffs foremost?

No. Focus on maxing out plumeshot, cyclone and ironheart (IH can be underleveled but attacks MUST be maxed). This is all you need to level. Then, buffs that help to yourself (+def and +matk). On old servers there are highlevel clerics with maxed buffs, so it's better to get some attacking power and level fast.

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Fleez - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wat is a FAC? i mean i KNOW wat it stands for(full atack cleric)... but wat EXACTALY is it and.... why is it so bad?? I mean... i here ppl say that FAC=fail(even more than wizard?b:shutup)? so ya can some1 explain to me a FAC and why they say its bad thing to do(thinking of making a cleric)b:thanks

First of all FAC is not a build its a skill choice, an damn poor one. lol

Rinnve - Lost City

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

First of all FAC is not a build its a skill choice, an damn poor one. lol

If you mean Cayeon's guide, I disagree. It is not main support cleric build, of course, but it is quite balanced; I followed his guilde in most parts and was quite successful both in attacking and healing. (mostly pve-wise, my pvp experience was limited to random world battles.)

MystiMonk - Sanctuary

I would say a lot of clerics play FAC build when questing but they can change thier bars around for squads.I mostly use only wield thunder,plume shot.great cyclone,ironheart blessing,purify,optional.I might use razor feathers to.

Azazel - Dreamweaver

I have 5 vit, my hp is 2k8, my def is 1k8, I can withstand TT 1-3 drum and soulbanisher with barb and BM buff. Agree that Balance build it's better for survival but I refuse to restats and go pure mag. and uh.....archer krit....haven't lost vs archer at this level so I'm not sure, back then my gear was not very good so although plume shell is on, it also knock a good bunch of hp from me after some hits.

A FAC doesn't mean you don't have heal, I got maxed IH, Wellspring, purify and self buff. Wat I lack is high level rez, Squad Heal, BB and RB. But I can do my job damn fine as a secondary healer if needed or DDer. Heal skills is essential for grind, Duel, PVP, TW so a FAC without heal cannot achieve his 100% potential.


and oh, it's not solo grind oriented, it's grind oriented, when you follow FAC path, you give up on Zhen (which is costly and give less exp than group grinding), Rebirth (this is what make me regret a bit follow this path, oh well). You do not blocking yourself out of other by going FAC, it's the way you socialise and make friends b:surrender, I can get into TT run, FB run fine without any problems so far. (Rank IV at 73, doing TT run once per day), so if you cant, probably you're just an **** and no one want to be with you

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

I'm FAC too, and really I'm good enough not to rely on 100vit to survive.

Seriously you can insult the FAC build, then you look at the poor wizards. guess you insulted them also b:cry

If playing without vit is too hard for you, then play as barb?

Azazel - Dreamweaver

and as to say about FAC failed more than a wizard....hmmm....in which part I wonder =/
They have seal last 5 sec, we have seal las 30sec
They have earth shield grant them 100% difence, we have plume shell absorb 80% damage
their only skill that can deal physical damage is Blade Temptest with 4 sec cast and 2 spark...hope you can last that long without getting 2/3 hits, or not interrupted...or not sleeped.
lvl79 skills...Undine strike reduce 60% elemental resist, we have guardian light reduce 60% damage....
tell us where we suck =/

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Don't forget with the new genie and dimension seal = 60% less phy defence for wizards.

Torsay - Sanctuary

Cleric were born for aoe grinding :P

Azazel - Dreamweaver

pfft....I grind a lot more exp than a cleric zhen with less cost.

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear

Agreed brotha,

We also born to be evil.

Forp - Heavens Tear

just because mystic says he's a fac is enough proof that it's a fail "idea". it's not a real build, it's a title of people who refuse to be party-oriented. anti social pricks of the elf race in pw.

celtusk

hi all I have a question since playing a cleric is more fun that playing a BM.

so the only difference between a FAC and a support cleric is that FAC does not want to help ppl??

what if i go pure MAG and still lvl up my support skills so other classes will not hate me?

the lacking of vit or dex (to wear LA) makes a difference??

ty

Azazel - Dreamweaver

It's not a build, it's a title as you said, but wat matter is if you can prove that you can deserve that title. Having all nuke skill and go full mag doesn't make you a FAC, nor having a lvl 10 rez make you a support cleric, what matter how is you play it, that's a different story.

Forp - Heavens Tear

at level 75 mysticlife failed to heal a level 67 archer tanking the level 32 miniboss "yansheng". he then got himself killed and said archer continued with their work.

is that how facs play?

_WillFire_ - Sanctuary

Fleez - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wat is a FAC? i mean i KNOW wat it stands for(full atack cleric)... but wat EXACTALY is it and.... why is it so bad?? I mean... i here ppl say that FAC=fail(even more than wizard?b:shutup)? so ya can some1 explain to me a FAC and why they say its bad thing to do(thinking of making a cleric)b:thanks

FAC is a mindset...not a build.

All clerics can play FAC or Support no matter what thier build is. FAC was meant to be an extreme cleric build that focuses almost entirely on damage. This ticked off the nay sayers and trolls here because it messed with thier perceptions of what a cleric should be.

So take it with a grain of salt. There are really very few "FAC" players except those who are ticked off at the constant whining and opinions of people telling them how they should play thier toon.

Azazel - Dreamweaver

nope, having IH, as well as lvl1 purify, plume shot, cyclone max is a must for this class regardless if you are FAC or just a support party based Cleric.
a FAC is pretty much a secondary healer when needed and more focus on DDing during boss and TT runs, and as a secondary healer, you need IH.
Other healing skills is more about prefence, wellspring work well for me in pvp/pk in DT and TW because it's quicker than IH.

Rinnve - Lost City

Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Don't forget with the new genie and dimension seal = 60% less phy defence for wizards.

Lolno :P All debuffs do not affect additional def gained from buffs, and this way wiz gain more def than any other class.

Abbadon - Harshlands

A Full Attack Cleric is a build for those who want to roll in on other players and drop them before they know what the hell is going on. It's a very tough (and expensive) build to play RIGHT, but when done effectively, it's both fun and viable.

No, it's not a requirement to be anti-social and a hater to play one. You can still buff and heal most culti/quest bosses just fine with Ironheart Blessing and Purify, so you are still a very valuable party member.

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Original FAC guide stated that you have absolutely NO HEALS!!!

Dont believe me? Search this forums for Cayeon's guide, not the sticky but his full guide, or simply check PW-My, you should find it there.

Now you call this something worth while and ill b:fatb

Tho you can be attack oriented, no probs with that b:chuckle

Rinnve - Lost City

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Original FAC guide stated that you have absolutely NO HEALS!!!

Cayeon's guide recommends to level ironheart. Not leveling it is simply stupid cause even if you are not going to heal anyone, it is so helpful both in pve and pvp that without it you feel like one of your hands is tied back. Cayeon realized it eventually, he's not stupid.

Forp - Heavens Tear

he heaved at level 86. he's quite stupid.

Azazel - Dreamweaver

idc how the guide say, I saying heal is essential for me in PvP, I maxed it.
There ain't a strict guide for FAC, cay's guide is just file full of suggestion and give an overview of his experience when lvling as a FAc, I read it and it help me a LOTS in how to lvl up, where to gring and basic knowledge of cleric skills before I start this char. You must be quite stupid that you can't leave without sticking into a guide and make a copycat out of it.

1 thing he failed to mention, at lvl 77~86, a FAC cant do rebirth, that's the only thing make me regret, other than that, it's doing fine in any situation.

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

Cayeon's guide recommends to level ironheart. Not leveling it is simply stupid cause even if you are not going to heal anyone, it is so helpful both in pve and pvp that without it you feel like one of your hands is tied back. Cayeon realized it eventually, he's not stupid.

Lol well you should read it then.

In one paragraph he said "Don't level any of your heals, you will be called to heal and that contradicts FAC's purpose"

Then at the end he admits that he had to level IH tho he never maxed it.

And that is a real FAC, no heals and few buffs. If you wish to go that way then, well have fun lol.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In one paragraph he said "Don't level any of your heals, you will be called to heal and that contradicts FAC's purpose"

I do recall seeing that part somewhere but I think it was sarcastic and well if it wasn't sarcasm then it certainly is a joke lol.

Forp - Heavens Tear

it wasn't a joke. in the end of his guide he added a note that he heaved and added a few levels to ironheart to save hp pots, nothing else. he didn't use it in party situations, only to keep himself from buying hp pots.

Azazel - Dreamweaver

in his skill lvl planner, he point out

As for skills, I maxed them in the following order:
....
Level 6x (late): Magic Shell -> Ironheart Blessing -> Thunderball

He did max it, ok