Understanding PvP/PK and possible improvements

Zephyrx - Lost City wrote: »

You, stupid person has 1000 1 Star Dragon orbs in inventory. Decide to hit ZephyrX (lv 31 cleric, yes you like picking on lower lvls huh?). Then you got owned by a high lvl and die. Losing 1000 1 Star Dragon Orbs. Yes, not a harsh penalty?

You can only drop stacked items in stacks of 20.

@OP So let's see. You get pk'd, you have to click 'Go to Town' and spend 1 minute flying back, while the pker has to spend 2 hours being hunted by anyone around them, and either have to buy dolls or risk losing their gear. This is why carebears shouldn't leave their Sanctuary. (c wut i did thar)

Balance_life - Lost City wrote: »

- make red exp-bound. It only wears off by gaining exp (so it requires you to be in a grind spot exposed) or by dying (so you have to lose exp - having to hide with guildmates and whatnot, getting killed and rezzed in a hiding place so people don't steal your drops)
- to make sure this doesn't ruin the fun of same-lvl PK, remove or significantly lower item drop penalty for killing just 1 or 2 or 4 or some small #of people. This allows you to PK some "carebear" of your lvl who never wants to fight back and you can lose the red by killing 10 mobs or whatever per PK (exponentially more as you have more PK's?) You're also not afraid of dropping if you just have 1-2-3 PK's or whatever. EDIT: and you'll be grinding in the same area to lose the red, making things more interesting

o.O Dang... maybe I read too fast lol. (Ok sry about the flaming a bit).

If red is exp-bound. It would make some players be forced to go to a grind spot. So umm... that's actually not a bad idea lol. (So what was I flaming about earlier o.o, slaps self). Ok, so being red will force you to go to a grind spot that's near your level and gain/lose a certain percentage of exp depending on your own level. The worst case being you will drop a ton of items and get repeatly killed. The best case being you getting more exp by killing monsters and get away scant free. Actually it's not bad...

That idea is also not bad! Removing penalties for low number of kills and increase penalty for high amount of kills. Great for killing botters when I'm bored or that "noob". But my problem is that that person could come back and make me waste my penalties and force me to kill them tons of times for a greater penalty. Which kinda doesn't make sense <.<. Ok I'm kinda sorry. Sighs, it's also a better idea then what we have now...

run AI script sorry.exe

EDIT: Currently, our red is also kill bound. Every 100 kills (monsters your lvl+) reduces the time by 1 hr

P.S. Nice job with taking flaming, you get a cookie

All I see is a QQ thread about being pkd by someone 60 levels above you.
Sucks.

Balance_life - Lost City wrote: »

Oh and I kinda don't care about high lvl PK'ers anymore. I make the exp back in 5 minutes.

You don't lose exp if a player kills you.


Get your facts straight.

Or...

Heres a better idea...


Just place guards who patrol the inside of major cities. A few archer guards walking around would be decent punishment.



Or perhaps, a special assasination request system where the low-levelled players could place bounty's on the heads of their murderers?



Or perhaps, A hitlist vengence system where if you were killed by someone you could instantly teleport to them with a party once (per every death by said player)? It's worked on some other games, and made things a bit more interesting.


I wouldn't mind the vengence system, then all the red people I killed could spawn back for more. Except... I'd hover right above some guards near Bamboo village so when they vengenced, they'd have a lovely surprise waiting for them! Then.... I can go bragging that I one shotted them! (Using Guard Ming)






At any rate after reading walls of text, the original poster was simply putting forth the idea that PK'ers should have to expose themselves to danger while wearing off their time.


Besides his idea would only affect the wannabe's. The ones who are seriously unserious about who they PK, wouldn't care that much.

A bounty system would be AMAZING.
There was one in a MMO I used to play, it was pretty fun.

Ghettodog - Lost City wrote: »

Big question here...

If I were to kill 100 level 2s would I still lose an hour of redness?

Nah I think you have to kill 100 things that are your lvl or higher.

And if the person you attack hits you back, doesn't your name just go pink for like a minute (I think my friend referred to it as "flagging"?) Sorry if that's already been said I kinda skipped to the last page..b:surrenderb:shutup

Cheersb:bye

their names shall appear in BROWN for killing players 20-30 lvls below. Many pkers kill just to have their names in red cause it seems to be cool to them. BROWN color would probably discourage them from sitting in a dangeon waiting for low level players who need to finish their quests.

Ok, this Pk'ing is a little out of hand. You have high level people camping the quest people that are outside of the safe zones and camping the areas where the quests lead you, and killing everybody who shows up (you kind of can tell what level the people are by where they are fighting with the levels of the creatures). They attack you while you are in combat and wait till you almost dead to one shot you.
You need to limit the level range on who can attack who like 30 - 39, 40 - 49, etc..., or no more than 10 levels. I've seen this problem in many games and a few of them lost a lot of players because it never got changed. Hopefully something can get figured out pretty soon. I don't mind PK'ing, but at least give us a chance to level without camping the quest people we need to level up, especially with the cultivation quests.

Ok here. The WHOLE POINT of PK is to kill whoever you want when you want. There should be NO level limit. Just because you got killed by a higher level doesn't mean the game isn't fair. go join a PvE server.

Edit: Also guilds who put KoS on other guilds can control the other guilds leveling if they camp the town, which makes it like the days where if one family didn't like another, they would make life miserable for the other family (in the Han era)

Ok, I say it again for the people who don't read, I DON"T MIND PVP. What I'm saying and I'll use small words so you can understand better, that if their are no rules then the people who just join the server and make it to 30th level and constantly get killed with one hit, they will get discouraged and leave the server because they are constantly being killed. Which in the big picture as people get bored, lose internet, ect due to circumstances the population of that server will dwindle and the people who are nice enough not to charge for this game will begin to lose the revenue will slowly be forced to shutdown servers because of the lack of control of pvp. The first servers to go are the pvp every time because they don't have the population. It has happened so many times in so many games that had no rules on pvp.

PVP is one of the biggest problems in these games because people "kill who ever we want". So sure if you want to kill everybody for all the high level people then your just killing the game. Congrats! Now with a few rules that can control, I'm all for it. I've already seen 6 of my friends quite this game and we all play pvp with every game we play together. 2 of my friends and a few others lost exp due to this indiscriminate killing because they were fighting mobs and somebody started to attack them but the mob ended with the majority damage and killing blow. Because the only time I get attacked is when I'm busy fighting mobs.

Oh and how is one guild killing another guild going to help protect the people when you guild is doing the same things. It's like two dogs fighting over meat. Just because you killing another guild doesn't mean you are stopping them from killing low levels.

I see one too many people with their names red, naked, running around kung fu gripping every low level they can get their hands on. Looks like Mike Tyson running around on a preschool playground knocking kids faces in. explain to me how this is challenging and fun.

I can go on and on about this and no amount of defending from the people who are high level doing it is going to change the fact that with no rules or restrictions on the pvp then there eventually be no game. Just look up some of the past mmorpg's and the biggest things that killed them was the pvp systems. BTW the server is controlled pvp, and they are trying to get suggestions on a better way to control it, hence why you haven't killed anybody under 30 and there are safe zones.

Here is a suggestion for the servers, make everybody the same level, take out all the quests that are just for exp, and leave all the quests for equipment, and take out all the safe zones. Take out most of the mobs not needed and make the territory conquerable on a weekly, hell even a daily basis. The defenders get a bonus to their abilities while in their conquered zone and have a few territories neutral where most the questing will be. That would be a game.

So for you people who stumble on this thread and see these people BELOW this comment complaining about what I put in here, then look for their names in game because they are the ones who are doing the free-for-all, back ally jackings on you low level people.

pk-pros: nothing expensive in inventory, bound equipt -> lose nothing worth

pk noobs: full inventory, no bound equipt -> loses equipt, inventory items

victims fighting back, low chance to win: full inventory, unbound equipt -> may randomly loose some expensive items from inventory

smart victims not fighting back: full inventory, unbound equipt ->loses nothing


you have to be either smart and dont fight back or well prepared for pking or just be invincible...b:victory

i personally be a smart one before losing items to a 20lv higher pker attacking while i am buisy with mobs...b:surrender

this should give all the pkers a litte sign of how strong they really are...attacking people that dont fight back on purpose...b:laugh

so my improvement would be make people protecting themselfes lose less items and give red players a stackable debuff making them weaker whith each kill...wearing of after 2h...
alternativly make them drop their bound equipt unable to pick up by any other player but themself...