Deadly shot vs Take Aim

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOL... now you say that level doesn't matter. And yet... your the one who brought up that you have a high level archer on MY server. may i ask what server and what name... maybe we're in the same server. i'll look you up if we are. regarless, there is 6 people that says take aim is better then deadly at higher levels... vs you and maybe that other guy (i am not sure which side he is on).




would you like a going away present?

people can be such imbeciles i swear...b:laughb:laughb:laugh

Ganiju no idea who you are but there are no lvl 105s on MY.

Next lie pl0x

Also i have both hell take aim and hell deadly shot. At 90+ hell take aim greater than lvl 10 deadly, at 99 with a 90hh+8 they are about the same but take aim casts faster so i never use deadly. When i get a better weapon take aim will once again overtake deadly.

b:chuckle This thread sure did fall apart quickly. I'm going to avoid giving just my opinion, and actually try and provide some information that will help us understand the Take Aim Vs. Deadly Shot argument.

Before I start, here are some abbreviations I'll use:

B = Base Damage - This is found in your character window and is listed as "Physical Atk." To make it easy to work with in an equation, just average the high and low numbers. (For example, my archer's currently Physical Atk. is 2223-3426, so my Base Damage would be 2824.5)

W = Weapon Damage - This is the weapon range found on your weapon. To find a value you can work with, simply average the high and low numbers. (For example, an unrefined Dragonbow has an attack range of 741-1375, so it's weapon damage would be 1058)

D = Damage - A number representing the amount of damage the attack rating...doesn't necessarily mean the amount it will do to a mob. The higher the better.

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If we go over to this lovely website here ( http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php ) we find some hard facts about these skills. Here is what I found:

Take Aim Lvl 10:
100 mana
B + (W*3) = D

VS

Deadly Shot Lvl 10:
319 mana
B + (W*1) + 4986.6 = D

So we do some simple algebra to tell us when Lvl 10 Take Aim will outdamage Lvl 10 Deadly Shot.

B + (W*3) => B + (W*1) + 4986.6

Now solve for the lowest W value which will make this true.

Ok, and upon solving the problem, we find that W must be at least 2493.3 for this to be true, or in other words, you'd need a bow with an average attack of 2493.3 for take aim to do more damage then deadly shot.

In a contest between Lvl 10 Take Aim and Lvl 10 Deadly Shot... Deadly shot does more damage in a single hit.


Lets compare Sage Take Aim to lvl 10 Deadly Shot now.

B + (W*5) => B + (W*1) + 4986.6

For Sage Take Aim to outdamage lvl 10 Deadly Shot, W (Weapon Damage) must be 1246.65. To put this in perspective, Punishing Thunder ( http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14892 ) has an averaged Weapon Damage of 1431.5. You will need one heck of a weapon for Sage Take Aim to outdamage lvl 10 Deadly Shot.


Basically, here is my summary: Deadly Shot will do more damage in a single shot then Take Aim in almost every circumstance, until the very top end. However, it's much more mana intensive, and isn't needed for grinding. I would personally recommend the economy of Take Aim unless you need the extra punch that Deadly Shot offers. If you disagree with my math, go ahead and challenge it, but please just stop blindly giving your opinion without backing it up. Take Aim = More efficient. Deadly Shot = More Damage until you're a sage with a godly weapon. End of Story.

well, with proper equips, can't deadly shot be made more faster with -channeling bonuses to the point where its fast enough to be better than the damage take aim does anyways? Though i don't know if -channeling is really worth putting on an archer outside faster lightning spells.

Chaotiic, for a sage archer with sage Take Aim, theres not really much comparison...assuming you've got a good weapon, the 500% on sage Take Aim will win out, assuming you've got a decent enough weapon, and I tried to show at just how decent of a weapon you'd need for that to be true.

Also, your statement only applies to Sage archers. I agree that for all sage archers, Take Aim is much better assuming they've got a good weapon. It's a little bit of a different story for demon archers.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't recall seeing a LA with -chan bonuses. And not sure how many robe archers are out there... i am sure there is some... LOL.

Just thought it'd be funny to add that I had a light armour drop with -3% channelling. So it could be pssible b:chuckle

So with -chan, i think deadly shot can be made better than take aim if there was enough -chan to make deadly shot fire at a GOOD rate. Sadly, i don't think there is anything to reduce charge time but -chan will benefit lightning spells and stun arrow much more than charge time. So Take Aim is better alone but deadly shot can share benefits with other skills. IMO sharing benefits is better IF you decide to get -chan equipment.

Chaotiic - Lost City wrote: »

the charge time on take aim is also considered channeling so -channel will affect both skills equally

really? That's nice to know :P then lets just make take aim faster with -chan. Then with more -chan, demon would make it EVEN better since it would be MORE faster if we could make it FAST enough for a good firing rate.

Maybe i just don't pay enough attn to the -chan LA stuff. All my stuffs are either dex/str/vit... nothing else.