Deadly shot vs Take Aim

Dunergo - Sanctuary
Dunergo - Sanctuary Posts: 123 Arc User
edited May 2009 in Archer
Which skill is strongest at lvl 10?

Also, how do u effectively use Sharpened tooth arrow(?) and blood vow?

One last thing....Is QuickShot worth it? I just read somewhere that its good for pking Wizards/clerics


Last note: Im choosing Demon when the time comes, so take that into consideration when answering..I here take aim pwns harder than Deadly shot especially if ur Sage Archer. Does it still do as much damage even as demon?
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Deadly Shot vs. Take Aim

    There is no concensus yet in the Archer community about which is better, in terms of "Is it worth it?" and "When do I level it?" I think the current trend seems to be:

    - Deadly Shot - Stronger, but expensive
    - Take Aim - Weaker, but still an adequate and cheaper substitute for Deadly Shot


    Sharpened Tooth Arrow

    Two useful threads regarding this skill:
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=260632
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=171451


    Blood Vow

    I have no idea.
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Deadly Shot vs. Take Aim

    There is no concensus yet in the Archer community about which is better, in terms of "Is it worth it?" and "When do I level it?" I think the current trend seems to be:

    - Deadly Shot - Stronger, but expensive
    - Take Aim - Weaker, but still an adequate and cheaper substitute for Deadly Shot


    Sharpened Tooth Arrow

    Two useful threads regarding this skill:
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=260632
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=171451


    Blood Vow

    I have no idea.




    At level 100, with a good weapon Take Aim is should be better. Although the charge can be agonizing.


    The main reason:

    Deadly Shot is a fixed damage added to your variable base damage.

    Take aim is a multiple of your weapon damage.
  • BloodCountes - Heavens Tear
    BloodCountes - Heavens Tear Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    AT lvls 89 + Take aim > deadly shot especially if you go sage.
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  • Annor - Heavens Tear
    Annor - Heavens Tear Posts: 330 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I love my demon take aim (no agonizing speed there) ;)

    And yes, deity put it well.
    Take Aim exceeds Deadly Shot when a critical mass of damage (stat*equipment) is reached. From what I've seen this happens somewhere between 85-89. If you're a PVE-only player, theres not much reason to train Deadly Shot at all.
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  • ArwenFrost - Heavens Tear
    ArwenFrost - Heavens Tear Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    yea sage take-aim is much greater than deadly shot, i also like it because of the lower mp cost.
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    deadly shot has a longer casting time but in higher lvls it does about 500 to 1000 damage more. take aim is useful later on when you are pking or in tw cause you don't have alot of time cast things before you attacked.
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    deadly shot has a longer casting time but in higher lvls it does about 500 to 1000 damage more. take aim is useful later on when you are pking or in tw cause you don't have alot of time cast things before you attacked.

    Ummm. The cast time is the same for both weapons (0.6 seconds) according to ecatombs. And when I did my timed test for both, it seems my take aim have a longer channel time. Also and my sage take aim does more dmg then a level 10 deadly.
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ummm. The cast time is the same for both weapons (0.6 seconds) according to ecatombs. And when I did my timed test for both, it seems my take aim have a longer channel time. Also and my sage take aim does more dmg then a level 10 deadly.

    well then why does it take longer to use? i am sorry but i am not new to archers. i play MY-Eng server with my demon-archer. which it does take longer to use then deadly shot.
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    well then why does it take longer to use? i am sorry but i am not new to archers. i play MY-Eng server with my demon-archer. which it does take longer to use then deadly shot.

    Deadly Shot (level 10)
    Channel: 3.0 seconds
    Cast: 0.6 seconds

    Take Aim (level 10)
    Channel: Charge (full charge = 3.2 seconds)
    Cast: 0.6 seconds
    Demon/sage take aim reduce channel time to 3.0 seconds. Which is the same amount of time as deadly shot.

    So at level 89+, given the same amount of channel and cast time, sage take aim will do more damage then level 10 deadly shot. Demon/sage deadly shot is not until level 99. And even at level 99+, sage take aim could still out damage demon/sage deadly shot given the right weapon.

    EDIT: What does bringing up playing on the MY server have to do with anything, when you don't have any data to back anything up?
  • Horseman - Sanctuary
    Horseman - Sanctuary Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue i believe you are wrong, according to Ecatomb, the sage and demon charge time for Take Aim and Deadly shot are both 3 seconds however it then says that Demon path reduces the charge time by .5 of a second, meaning the Charge time would be 2.5 secs ... a significant difference ...
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    EDIT: What does bringing up playing on the MY server have to do with anything, when you don't have any data to back anything up?

    cause its basically the same thing as pwi just different names. the damage numbers and time required are still different. the damage i do with take aim (average) 13232 on a mob. with deadly shot i do 14768. and when i use stunning arrow it gives me a 3 second stun. by the time when deadly shot actually fires the stun has worn off by .5 seconds when i use take aim with stunning arrow it fires right when the mob becomes mobile again. and plus i will gladly get the screen shot for it. (if only i can find the dang screen shot folderb:angry)
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Horseman - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Kazue i believe you are wrong, according to Ecatomb, the sage and demon charge time for Take Aim and Deadly shot are both 3 seconds however it then says that Demon path reduces the charge time by .5 of a second, meaning the Charge time would be 2.5 secs ... a significant difference ...

    I am not sure what is your point here. demon take aim lower the charge time by .5 seconds (total charge time is 2.5 seconds). But we're comparing take aim to deadly shot. And deadly shot's channel/cast time doesn't get shorten whatsoever. So, I am not sure how that affects anything between the comparsion between sage take aim and deadly shot. What I am saying is that the % dmg of sage take aim (when used with a decent weapong) will have more final damage then deadly shot in the same time frame, since sage take aim and level 10 deadly shot have the same channel/cast time.
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    cause its basically the same thing as pwi just different names. the damage numbers and time required are still different. the damage i do with take aim (average) 13232 on a mob. with deadly shot i do 14768. and when i use stunning arrow it gives me a 3 second stun. by the time when deadly shot actually fires the stun has worn off by .5 seconds when i use take aim with stunning arrow it fires right when the mob becomes mobile again. and plus i will gladly get the screen shot for it. (if only i can find the dang screen shot folderb:angry)


    Yes, i know its the same game with a different name. And did you know that i have a level 100 a sage AND demon archer on MY-PWI? As the saying goes... no screen shot = it didn't happen. take aim's damage is a percent multipler of your weapon, while deadly shot's dmg is mostly fixed. Therefore, the better the weapon, the more damage you'll get out of take aim cause its a multipler. And at level 90, its about where the weapon stat breaks out of deadly shot's fixed damage.
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Yes, i know its the same game with a different name. And did you know that i have a level 100 a sage AND demon archer on MY-PWI? As the saying goes... no screen shot = it didn't happen. take aim's damage is a percent multipler of your weapon, while deadly shot's dmg is mostly fixed. Therefore, the better the weapon, the more damage you'll get out of take aim cause its a multipler. And at level 90, its about where the weapon stat breaks out of deadly shot's fixed damage.

    just give me a sec i am at school atm so i have to get home and look for the dang folder and btw...using a stock solar shot bow it still did about the same amount of damage as deadly shot. just take aim is faster
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And at level 90, its about where the weapon stat breaks out of deadly shot's fixed damage.
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    just give me a sec i am at school atm so i have to get home and look for the dang folder and btw...using a stock solar shot bow it still did about the same amount of damage as deadly shot. just take aim is faster

    I am not sure which weapon you're refering to, but even the crappest archers use dragon bow at level 90. And i did say that at level 90, is when the weap stat breaks even in terms of sage take aim and deadly shot. Furthermore, most level 90+ weapons are refined. Let me give you an example: Deadly shot is weapon dmg + a fixed amount, while take aim (sage) is weapon dmg * 5. Lets just say that a refine on a given weapon add +10 dmg on a given bow. Thats only 10 extra dmg when using deadly shot, but its 50 extra dmg when using sage take aim.

    I am going to say this again, sage take aim's dmg is dependent fully on the weapon used. So if you get the archer to use a beginnger's bow, of course deadly shot will do more dmg.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    At levels 89-99, with a decent weapon, on average, sage take aim will do more damage when compared to level 10 deadly shot. Even after level 99, with a decent weapon, sage take aim will do similar damage when compared to demon deadly shot.

    With that being said, there is a wide range of area where the damages can fall in. So on occasion, deadly shot will do more damage then take aim, but that is not the norm.
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    It really depends since take aim is based on weapon dmg. Take aim lvl 10 and deadly shoot lvl 10 used by like lvl 8X archer with flash fire +3 or w/e, deadly shoot does more dmg for sure.

    But at lvl 89 u get sage/demon take aim and with 90+ weapon deadly shoot does less dmg and is pretty useless. Dont know a single 90+ archer that uses deadly shoot actually. For sage b/c of the extra add on 500% weapon dmg and demon take aim b/c of less time to charge + 400% weapon dmg.

    Lvl 11 deadly shoot versus lvl 11 take aim is also the same, the dmg depends on how decent and highly refined your weapon is. But im pretty sure that a person that can afford to farm cube for skill books like deadly shoot lvl 11 also can afford a decent weapon lol
  • Dark_lord - Harshlands
    Dark_lord - Harshlands Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    So to some it up, I'm happy to have learned that I did not gimp my archer by going to lvl 10 take aim. I am soooo relieved to have found this topic as I was having major issues. Thanks for letting me know that I'll be ok down the road and don't need to spend any spirit on Deadly Shot.
  • sage0nemage
    sage0nemage Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue, you are a ecatomb user like many people on forums you use character simulators/ecatomb and what not post them on forums and act like they are smart, stfu you know nothing, unless you actually experience it.

    Ganiju you owned kazue good job
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I am going to say this again, sage take aim's dmg is dependent fully on the weapon used. So if you get the archer to use a beginnger's bow, of course deadly shot will do more dmg.

    yes but we are not talking about sage are we? we are talking about those skills just both at lvl 10. with a stock bow the damage difference was 500-1000 damage between the two
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  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    sage0nemage wrote: »

    Ganiju you owned kazue good job

    i am being cheered on? wow...never had that happen before...
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    sage0nemage wrote: »
    Kazue, you are a ecatomb user like many people on forums you use character simulators/ecatomb and what not post them on forums and act like they are smart, stfu you know nothing, unless you actually experience it.

    Ganiju you owned kazue good job

    Maybe I should say this. Kazue is a f.ing posting alt. The main behind that is a much better and experienced archer then me. And yes, i know kazue personally. So it may be you who should stfu.
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yes but we are not talking about sage are we? we are talking about those skills just both at lvl 10. with a stock bow the damage difference was 500-1000 damage between the two

    And from the beginning, i believe sage take aim was always mentioned. And in no instance or skill level, does deadly shot ever have a longer attack time as you mentioned.


    I might only be level 91, but that level 99 archer seems to agree with kazue and i. That at high levels (90+) take aim does more damage. Then again... look at who i am trying to argue archer skills with. A no name and a low level barb.
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  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »


    I might only be level 91, but that level 99 archer seems to agree with kazue and i. That at high levels (90+) take aim does more damage. Then again... look at who i am trying to argue archer skills with. A no name and a low level barb.

    ...i don't play PWI often...i play the Malaysian and English version and just because my barb is lvl 47 while your archer is lvl 91 doesn't mean that you know more about this game and the classes and their skills more then i do.. higher lvls don't mean **** in this game especially when i don't use ecatomb and other **** for this game for every freaking instance of skills and such. and just so you know...i have a lvl 105 archer...so your thought and theories about who are the noobs and who is better don't mean anything to me...
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ...i don't play PWI often...i play the Malaysian and English version and just because my barb is lvl 47 while your archer is lvl 91 doesn't mean that you know more about this game and the classes and their skills more then i do.. higher lvls don't mean **** in this game especially when i don't use ecatomb and other **** for this game for every freaking instance of skills and such. and just so you know...i have a lvl 105 archer...so your thought and theories about who are the noobs and who is better don't mean anything to me...

    Its ok... i have a level 200 archer. Heck... since we're using our imagination i have a level 999 archer. Would have hit 1k, but the level cap is set at 999... darn.
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  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Its ok... i have a level 200 archer. Heck... since we're using our imagination i have a level 999 archer. Would have hit 1k, but the level cap is set at 999... darn.

    yeah...you are making yourself sound really stupid by using sarcasm on a forum when people actually take what you are saying seriously. and no...i am not lying...
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    BloodCountes - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    AT lvls 89 + Take aim > deadly shot especially if you go sage.
    Annor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Take Aim exceeds Deadly Shot when a critical mass of damage (stat*equipment) is reached. From what I've seen this happens somewhere between 85-89.
    ArwenFrost - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yea sage take-aim is much greater than deadly shot
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    At levels 89-99, with a decent weapon, on average, sage take aim will do more damage when compared to level 10 deadly shot. Even after level 99, with a decent weapon, sage take aim will do similar damage when compared to demon deadly shot.
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    But at lvl 89 u get sage/demon take aim and with 90+ weapon deadly shoot does less dmg and is pretty useless. Dont know a single 90+ archer that uses deadly shoot actually. For sage b/c of the extra add on 500% weapon dmg and demon take aim b/c of less time to charge + 400% weapon dmg.


    All i have left to say is that I got five 80+/90+ (icon proven) archers agreeing with what I said. But thank god the self proclaimed level 105 archer (47 barb icon) has the backing of a no name with a history of stupid posts. Way a go sir, i tip my hat to you.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yeah...you are making yourself sound really stupid by using sarcasm on a forum when people actually take what you are saying seriously. and no...i am not lying...

    Naw... imagination is a good thing. And now i am going to take my level 999 archer with his +99 warsoul bow out for a spin. Maybe stop and smell some roses and one shot some barbs. But we'll see.
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    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    All i have left to say is that I got five 80+/90+ (icon proven) archers agreeing with what I said. But thank god the self proclaimed level 105 archer (47 barb icon) has the backing of a no name with a history of stupid posts. Way a go sir, i tip my hat to you.

    way to go! you officially are being an ****. because you obviously don't have the patience to wait so i can get the screen shots from my house you may be a little suprised when i prove that i do have the lvl 105 archer and so what that the character i have on this server is lvl 47? at least i have the courtesy to agknowledge that levels don't mean **** when you have actual experiance.
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  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Naw... imagination is a good thing. And now i am going to take my level 999 archer with his +99 warsoul bow out for a spin. Maybe stop and smell some roses and one shot some barbs. But we'll see.

    now your just being ridiculous...good thing i am quitting PWI and going back to server where people aren't so cocky just because they are above lvl 90 and where they don't think that they know everything
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    way to go! you officially are being an ****. because you obviously don't have the patience to wait so i can get the screen shots from my house you may be a little suprised when i prove that i do have the lvl 105 archer and so what that the character i have on this server is lvl 47? at least i have the courtesy to agknowledge that levels don't mean **** when you have actual experiance.

    LOL... now you say that level doesn't matter. And yet... your the one who brought up that you have a high level archer on MY server. may i ask what server and what name... maybe we're in the same server. i'll look you up if we are. regarless, there is 6 people that says take aim is better then deadly at higher levels... vs you and maybe that other guy (i am not sure which side he is on).

    Ganiju - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    now your just being ridiculous...good thing i am quitting PWI and going back to server where people aren't so cocky just because they are above lvl 90 and where they don't think that they know everything

    would you like a going away present?
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Dunergo - Sanctuary
    Dunergo - Sanctuary Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    As much as I love watching people go back and forth over an arguement thats lost its meaning, Ive updated my first post with more questions, can I haz moar answers? b:laugh

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