Can LA cleric beat Wizard?

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Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear
Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,175 Arc User
edited May 2009 in Cleric
Since the cleric forums are close to dead I made this thread,

Can a LA cleric beat a wizard.
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  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    Most any cleric can beat a wizard.
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    LA cleric would fare worse than robe cleric due to lower m.def, no vit, and lower damage.
  • ADvEnTcUrSe - Sanctuary
    ADvEnTcUrSe - Sanctuary Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    just go fight a low lvl wiz, you will be fine b:chuckle
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
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    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LA cleric would fare worse than robe cleric due to lower m.def, no vit, and lower damage.

    1st: My magic res buffed is just as much as your magic res unbuffed.
    2nd: My hp is 2400, how much is yours?
    3rd: As for the lower dmg... strange I one hit wizards and any other robed class (unless a Cleric manages to put plume shell up) with a 2nd spark and razors unless they are LA.

    Obviously LA sucks eh? o.o
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  • ADvEnTcUrSe - Sanctuary
    ADvEnTcUrSe - Sanctuary Posts: 69 Arc User
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    i guess i just don't see the reason to go light armor early on, maybe later

    im lvl 48 and currently sitting on 1597 hp and 4517 magic
    yes i have been lucky and run across some good weapons in the AH, but honestly if you look hard enough you will find that person who just really needs the money

    but anywhos, when i hit my 70's and 80's i shall give you all my analysis cause i certainly know at some point i will buff up my vit
  • missqq
    missqq Posts: 277 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Obviously LA sucks eh? o.o
    Pretty much.
  • Allure - Harshlands
    Allure - Harshlands Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LA cleric would fare worse than robe cleric due to lower m.def, no vit, and lower damage.

    You could not be more deluded. b:cute
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
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    missqq wrote: »
    Pretty much.

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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    I take it this way it all depends on the wizard and cleric.I can see a LA taking on low lvl wizard but not high lvled one unless you get in thier face.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
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    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I take it this way it all depends on the wizard and cleric.I can see a LA taking on low lvl wizard but not high lvled one unless you get in thier face.

    You got a long way to go, it's not an uncommon sight to see a Wizard losing to an 10lvl lower Cleric, LA or not.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
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    I certianly wouldn't want to go up agianst lvl 80 at my lvl.I would but us as both in robes.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • thestuff
    thestuff Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    Id say a cleric should be able to beat a wizard whether each is LA/robe. A cleric can use an attack that exploits the wizard's weakness no matter what. If the cleric is LA, it makes things easier for the wiz but the cleric can still easily win because of healing/seals. The only time i could imagine a cleric losing against a wizard is if the wizard is a much higher lvl, has WAY better gear, or the cleric screws up completely. Oh, or if the cleric is a HA cleric >_>.
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
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    thestuff wrote: »
    Oh, or if the cleric is a HA cleric >_>.

    Care to explain what HA Cleric is?
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  • _WillFire_ - Sanctuary
    _WillFire_ - Sanctuary Posts: 563 Arc User
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    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Care to explain what HA Cleric is?

    HA would be "Heavy Armor".
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  • _WillFire_ - Sanctuary
    _WillFire_ - Sanctuary Posts: 563 Arc User
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    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Since the cleric forums are close to dead I made this thread,

    Can a LA cleric beat a wizard.

    Myst...why drag this out? There are so many variables. All this does is promote ill will between clerics and wizards. We have enough trouble with large axes in our faces b:shocked

    Any build ( well...almost any ) can beat any other class if they get the drop on the other one and levels are comperable.
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  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
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    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    1st: My magic res buffed is just as much as your magic res unbuffed.
    2nd: My hp is 2400, how much is yours?
    3rd: As for the lower dmg... strange I one hit wizards and any other robed class (unless a Cleric manages to put plume shell up) with a 2nd spark and razors unless they are LA.

    Obviously LA sucks eh? o.o

    No ya don't. You 1 hit SOME people. All low lev.
  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
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    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LA cleric would fare worse than robe cleric due to lower m.def, no vit, and lower damage.
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    1st: My magic res buffed is just as much as your magic res unbuffed.
    2nd: My hp is 2400, how much is yours?
    3rd: As for the lower dmg... strange I one hit wizards and any other robed class (unless a Cleric manages to put plume shell up) with a 2nd spark and razors unless they are LA.

    Obviously LA sucks eh? o.o
    Allure - Harshlands wrote: »
    You could not be more deluded. b:cute

    Lol, how would LA cleric fare better than robe cleric? Have you forgotten Wizards have no spammable physical attack? What advantage would LA have over robe here?

    Btw, my m.def buffed is higher than your m.def buffed. If you can get extra hp through equip, so can robes.b:victory

    You can't always assume you'll have sparks all the time and they won't. What if you don't have sparks? What if the wiz decides to sleep you the first thing? What if he distance shrinks? What if he sutras and hammer you with all the magic spells he has? Do you think, as a LA cleric with lower m.def, lower vit, lower attack, and lower heals, you'll be able to tank the rapid fire as easily as robe clerics?

    I don't have a wizard, but I've seen what they can do. Granted, my robe cleric still manages to win despite how skilled the opponent wizard is, but it's pretty clear LA clerics will get much bigger a challenge.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    a LA wouldnt beat a wizard.....
    i crit 1.2k on a LA wizard (lvl 66 and i was 48) with cleric buff (wait what would that number be without cleric buff o.0)

    i wont lose to a cleric more then 3 lvls below me... i beat a lvl 32 cleric (cause he said he will pwn me) with crappy armor (my armor is very crappy cause i switched pdef for mdef and i found it pointless to shard since im about to get new armor)

    i came very close to beating a cleric 5 lvls above me

    its all about how you play ^^

    wait why am i in the cleric forums again???????????
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  • Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear
    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,175 Arc User
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    /WillFire

    Some people look at threads like this as an insult, others look at it as a chance to learn something new.

    I create threads like this, aswell as "cleric out damage wizard" threads because I do learn alot from them, and play my class better.
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  • Blosumm - Heavens Tear
    Blosumm - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited April 2009
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    There is no better class.......it all depends how you play your char.
    Everyone is a winner if he or she play it smart.
    hi from fur tv.b:laugh

    Ed my comp is doing wierd b:sad, no***problem, im coming ..Ed my comp is not responding after your fixb:shocked...mmm thats just what i thoughtb:angry
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
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    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Since the cleric forums are close to dead I made this thread,

    Can a LA cleric beat a wizard.

    if the wizz draw first, no chance.
    Robe cleric has 1 advantage on Wizz- Wizz cannot hit with p-attk, and the m-def is pretty cool. You can plume shot a wizz while he's casting a second dmg if u escaped the first.
    Take the mdef away from cleric and it will be a 1 shot for a wizz, unless u put an insane number of HP shards on gear. But even then, if the wizz has sparks, you're fked.
    Clerics own wizzies easily, but u gotta be strog enough to hold the dmg a wizz can do-> u need robe.
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  • _WillFire_ - Sanctuary
    _WillFire_ - Sanctuary Posts: 563 Arc User
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    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    /WillFire

    Some people look at threads like this as an insult, others look at it as a chance to learn something new.

    I create threads like this, aswell as "cleric out damage wizard" threads because I do learn alot from them, and play my class better.

    We all want to do our best Myst but I've found that threads like this truly *are* an insult simply because of that fact. We are competitive people else we wouldn't be playing this game. We can't help but see stuff like this as a negative challenge. I suppose it's simply my philosphy since I'm on a PvE server. How do I combine my talents with my team for the best result.

    More constructive, imoo, is to focus on the weaknesses of my class and try to find ways to overcome them. Maybe I'll roll a Wizard and work through it's issues with that in mind. I've done this with almost every class except that one and all the variations that seemed viable or competitive.
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  • Aeneas - Harshlands
    Aeneas - Harshlands Posts: 207 Arc User
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    Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Since the cleric forums are close to dead I made this thread,

    Can a LA cleric beat a wizard.

    If he's sharded/geared up with vit/HP sure.
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  • Aeneas - Harshlands
    Aeneas - Harshlands Posts: 207 Arc User
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    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Take the mdef away from cleric and it will be a 1 shot for a wizz, unless u put an insane number of HP shards on gear. But even then, if the wizz has sparks, you're fked.

    Not the case. The gap in m.def isn't as great as you make it out to be.

    The principal weakness of a LA Cleric isn't m.def, which is only, generally, a few % off, it's that the build has no room for vit, while an arcane build does. At 7x, and arcane/vit cleric will have more then a few hundred HP then a LA cleric, unless the LA cleric specifically (and expensively) gears up HP/Vit. Wizard spells will deal big time raw damage regardless of m.def (just like cleric spells). Both classes are squishy to each other unless they have good HP for their class. That's where LA clerics fall in trouble.
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
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    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lol, how would LA cleric fare better than robe cleric? Have you forgotten Wizards have no spammable physical attack? What advantage would LA have over robe here?

    Can you remind me where I said that LA would fare better than robed against a Wizard cuz I must have missed that part.
    Btw, my m.def buffed is higher than your m.def buffed. If you can get extra hp through equip, so can robes.b:victory

    You didn't answer my question, how much hp do you have? Is it actually above 1900? Also the point was that LA can get much more hp than robed because they can use highter lvl helmets, the armor originally gives highter hp bonuses refined and also for some reason there are more LA armors around with hp bonuses than robes. Not to mention that robes must use phy def shards to have some acceptable phy def while LA only needs hp shards since the magic defence is more than just pleasing.
    You can't always assume you'll have sparks all the time and they won't. What if you don't have sparks? What if the wiz decides to sleep you the first thing? What if he distance shrinks? What if he sutras and hammer you with all the magic spells he has? Do you think, as a LA cleric with lower m.def, lower vit, lower attack, and lower heals, you'll be able to tank the rapid fire as easily as robe clerics?

    Look above for the "lower vit" part.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the same go for the Wizard? Also when we talk generally about class/build/strengh/weakness etc. we assume that they are on the same ground wich means both fully prepared.
    Aeneas - Harshlands wrote: »
    it's that the build has no room for vit, while an arcane build does. At 7x, and arcane/vit cleric will have more then a few hundred HP then a LA cleric, unless the LA cleric specifically (and expensively) gears up HP/Vit.

    That's incorect, dunno if the Clerics in my Server just suck like that (or simply are interested only in PvE) but I have more hp than almost every 7x Cleric I've met so far.
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  • Samalia - Sanctuary
    Samalia - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
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    mikel oru - "That's incorect, dunno if the Clerics in my Server just suck like that (or simply are interested only in PvE) but I have more hp than almost every 7x Cleric I've met so far"

    no it isnt. mikel oru you post so much on everything and from what ive noticed you are always wrong.

    light armor clerics must lv 3 mage 1 str 1 dex. end of story

    pure int clerics must lv 6 mage 1 str (3 extra) every 2 levels.

    if a robed class chooses to put those 3 extra in vit every 2 levels, by lv 60 thats 1.5x60 thats 900 hp more than a light armor cleric the exact same lv

    i dont give a dam what your so called "light armor has higher hp bonuses" or whatever you were going on about but thats just simply wrong!

    any armor can have any add on stats, and dont even bring that stupid helmet idea into the equation.. oh nooo light armor clerics can use a lv 40 or so helm at lv 60 to give them 100 hp

    +900 for robes and +100 for light armor? last time i checked 900 is more than 100, but correct me if im wrong. you will try


    and not to go off topic - a light armor cleric can still beat a wizard, but the fact theyve gone light armor makes it easier for the wizard. but the cleric should still win unless theyre dumb or the mage crits
  • missqq
    missqq Posts: 277 Arc User
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    Generally any cleric > wizard, but LA clerics have a harder time, because:
    less matk
    less mdef
  • Azazel - Dreamweaver
    Azazel - Dreamweaver Posts: 203 Arc User
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    I'm full mag arcane build with 3k hp, but this is my experience vs Wizzie at same lvl (pure mag):
    First strike: Will of Force, chan: 0.5sec, your sleep take 1sec to cast, silent the enemy in 3~4 min, which mean for the first few second, you can't heal yourself and take about 2~3 hits
    ok, usually my hp will drop to about half~1/3 after the seal wear off b:shocked, imagine you wear LA, I don't think you survive long enough b:chuckle
    Blade temptest: this skill deal p.def also, and have 4sec chan, just like your Temptest. Hey, I almost get 1 hitted by this skill b:shocked, can LA survived it? b:surrender
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
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    Samalia - Sanctuary wrote: »
    no it isnt. mikel oru you post so much on everything and from what ive noticed you are always wrong.

    Always wrong? Why don't you try and correct me then? I've yet to see that...
    pure int clerics must lv 6 mage 1 str (3 extra) every 2 levels.

    Shows how much you know, pure int = 1str 9mag every two lvls oriented for highter dmg and heals. The one above is the Hyrbid build. Also did you know that 6mag 1str per 2 lvls is just as strong as LA when it comes to dmg and healing? Now you do.
    if a robed class chooses to put those 3 extra in vit every 2 levels, by lv 60 thats 1.5x60 thats 900 hp more than a light armor cleric the exact same lv

    My hp is about 1400(not sure I'll let you know for sure once I manage to log-in) so canculate how much it needs till 2400. Still I don't know how much you have.
    i dont give a dam what your so called "light armor has higher hp bonuses" or whatever you were going on about but thats just simply wrong!

    any armor can have any add on stats, and dont even bring that stupid helmet idea into the equation.. oh nooo light armor clerics can use a lv 40 or so helm at lv 60 to give them 100 hp

    +900 for robes and +100 for light armor? last time i checked 900 is more than 100, but correct me if im wrong. you will try

    You remind me of Frop..
    The helmet is only a part of the bonus, as I said before LA needs only hp shards, robes need both hp and phy def unless you don't mind beeing one shot by any source of physical dmg. Oh wait you have plume shell right? That's what Frop would say at least lol

    Azazel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Blade temptest: this skill deal p.def also, and have 4sec chan, just like your Temptest. Hey, I almost get 1 hitted by this skill b:shocked, can LA survived it? b:surrender

    Blade Tempest deals both physical and magical dmg. LA takes much less dmg from that skill than a robe user, go test it with a friend of yours you'll see what I mean. A wizard tested this on an archer, an LA Cleric would take even less dmg because str and mag add phy def and magic def bonuses.
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  • Astoru - Heavens Tear
    Astoru - Heavens Tear Posts: 822 Arc User
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    Azazel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm full mag arcane build with 3k hp, but this is my experience vs Wizzie at same lvl (pure mag):
    First strike: Will of Force, chan: 0.5sec, your sleep take 1sec to cast, silent the enemy in 3~4 min, which mean for the first few second, you can't heal yourself and take about 2~3 hits
    ok, usually my hp will drop to about half~1/3 after the seal wear off b:shocked, imagine you wear LA, I don't think you survive long enough b:chuckle
    Blade temptest: this skill deal p.def also, and have 4sec chan, just like your Temptest. Hey, I almost get 1 hitted by this skill b:shocked, can LA survived it? b:surrender
    It would likely do less on light armor builds, since the damage is half magical and half physical. Hense why this skill is practically useless against melee classes.
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