Nefarious Problem
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One day will be war between leg and nef just wait
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There won't ever be a war between the two. As soon as one attacks, others will jump in.
(s'cute, huh? =D)0 -
I think my point got overlooked. TW has become slightly stagnant for the server as fewer and fewer people are able to participate in it. Perhaps there could be some other alternative TW for other guilds or something, but that would be kinda lame.
Re-setting the TW map would be the easiest and most effective way of stimulating the enjoyment of TW for everyone involved. There is nothing better than the chase, as mentioned before in this thread, and it would be fun for nef and leg to try and re-dominate the map again. It would also allow other factions to participate and increase the number of people participating in the TWs.
This would increase sales of cash-shop items, increase player activity, and revive the server's TW community. And it would not rob the "top-dogs" of their elite status.
And no, this thread is not about a problem with nef or leg, regardless of what the OP intended.0 -
First of all a territory reset is ridiculous.. Nef worked hard as did Leg to get the territories they now hold... Resetting the map imo is just an insult to the entire server..
Secondly, ppl dont get bored and or quit the game bc the map is owned by one or two factions, they get leave bc rl situations, they lose interest in the game over all or they find a new game that has captured their interest.
Thirdly, Nef being attacked 3 times at each tw time has been done and if i recall correctly Nef held all territories... And again if memory serves, not all the attacking factions were low lvl or were "made up" factions that were put in place for the lone purpose of the tw against Nef..
Nef is a strong faction bc of the team work and dedication the members put forth and bc of the great minds of the generals that lead the battles..0 -
a territory reset at this point in time would be ridiculous.. in about a years time if 1 factions owns all lands it might be nice though .. there is still fighting to be done.. and lots of it.. its just most of that fighting is for nefarious and legendary ... those other factions that want their TW fun need to level and play hard to become TW factors so they can get their fun too.. also TW is a small once a week part of this game.. there are plenty of other things0
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You people really give Nefarious way to much credit. Nefarious has very little experience when it comes to TW, unless you consider smashing the skulls of a lesser faction in 15 mins experience.
Several months ago they had some tough battles, even lost a land or 2. However, since then Nefarious has changed a lot, many of there members are new essentially and haven't worked together in a TW where pure brute force couldn't get them through. I think this lack of defense practice over the past several months could be their downfall. There are guilds that are strong enough that, if working together, could start to take out Nef's land slowly.
Legendary would be an easier target, but I can assure you taking out Legendary will just make Nefarious road to conquering the map a lot easier.0 -
but but but.. legendary has cookies.. we must all steal legendary's cookies!!
on a more serious note.. i think you are short changing nef scridon ... no we haven't been challenged in TW in a while.. but we work together as a faction a good bit (daily world boss killing.. rebirths.. etc)
no this is not PVP but it still builds cooperation and hey the crystal is nothing more than a world boss that doesn't fight back b:chuckle
we have people who know what they are doing and defending is relatively easy0 -
KillaBee_ - Sanctuary wrote: »I think my point got overlooked. TW has become slightly stagnant for the server as fewer and fewer people are able to participate in it. Perhaps there could be some other alternative TW for other guilds or something, but that would be kinda lame.
Re-setting the TW map would be the easiest and most effective way of stimulating the enjoyment of TW for everyone involved. There is nothing better than the chase, as mentioned before in this thread, and it would be fun for nef and leg to try and re-dominate the map again. It would also allow other factions to participate and increase the number of people participating in the TWs.
This would increase sales of cash-shop items, increase player activity, and revive the server's TW community. And it would not rob the "top-dogs" of their elite status.
And no, this thread is not about a problem with nef or leg, regardless of what the OP intended.
Listen you stupid n00b. The map will not be reset no matter what QQ you do. You CAN always fight, you just choose not to fight. Pick a territory on the map and bid on it. Sure, it will be against Nef or Leg because the others are highly bid for, but you CAN fight.
Nothing is blocking you from bidding on a territory. You would rather come here and cry to have it reset so you can "get your chance". Just because you came to the game later than others (and I would hope so by your paultry level) does not mean everything needs to start over for your enjoyment.
Idiot n00bs.0 -
Yes i know you have people who know what they are doing, There are after all several ex-Outlaw in your guild now.b:laugh
Anyway, like you said doing these sort of world boss, rebirth, and so on events is nothing like TW. And the Crystal doesnt hit back but the 80 people around it will. b:chuckle
Also like I said in the other thread, I rather doubt that even the great Nefarious could handle an attack from Legendary and 2 other guilds such as Rebirth, Regicide, Steel, Outlaw, at the same time. Even if your defense strategies are well done it will be hard for 30-40 people to defend against a force of 80. And then compile this with having 6 TW's in one day for weeks on end, I think even with all the money your guild gets you will soon have people who cant afford to keep up with charms.0 -
Qqmoar - Harshlands wrote: »Listen you stupid n00b.
Idiot n00bs.
Wow. Looks like someone needs a hug. It's a shame nobody will give you one, with that kind of attitude.Qqmoar - Harshlands wrote: »(and I would hope so by your paultry level)
I guess you've never heard of alt characters, huh? You know... kinda like the one you're using? Try taking these factors into consideration before b!tching like a whiny brat who forgot to get his facts straight before posting.
[do note: I'm not saying the Veno is an alt character, but low levels do dictate either a late start, or an alt character. judging by the join date 1 month after me, maybe he started a Veno, later going onto another class, and coming back.]
I do agree with your point, that they should shut up and fight, rather then QQ on the forums; but, your post was unnecessary, as were your failed insults.0 -
yea scridon.. but give me a group of people who know how to work together and listen but aren't PVP gods over a group of wanna be hero PVP gods anyday0
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Devarsi - Sanctuary wrote: »yea scridon.. but give me a group of people who know how to work together and listen but aren't PVP gods over a group of wanna be hero PVP gods anyday
General PVP is nothing like TW either, I would very much prefer the same. b:victory0 -
First of all a territory reset is ridiculous.. Nef worked hard as did Leg to get the territories they now hold... Resetting the map imo is just an insult to the entire server..
Nef worked hard ...b:chuckle. Nah they were just the first factions with Leg and SW able to take territories on sanctuary. So much for hard work!
And no, resetting the map is not an insult to the entire server. However it's an insult if they let 400 ppl abuse a flawed TW system forever!There won't ever be a war between the two. As soon as one attacks, others will jump in.
So GM are gonna change the code (only on sanctuary server) to allow 300 ppl by faction? And this only cause the two biggest factions are affraid of each others and are too dumb to wage war efficiently b:laugh Btw, this "rule" apply to any faction holding a territory, not only to Nef and leg!
i think i'm gonna start a thread about "good reasons for Nef and Leg to not attack each other"!
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XAsch - Sanctuary wrote: »Wow. Looks like someone needs a hug. It's a shame nobody will give you one, with that kind of attitude.
I guess you've never heard of alt characters, huh? You know... kinda like the one you're using? Try taking these factors into consideration before b!tching like a whiny brat who forgot to get his facts straight before posting.
[do note: I'm not saying the Veno is an alt character, but low levels do dictate either a late start, or an alt character. judging by the join date 1 month after me, maybe he started a Veno, later going onto another class, and coming back.]
I do agree with your point, that they should shut up and fight, rather then QQ on the forums; but, your post was unnecessary, as were your failed insults.
My post was made because the same person whined about the map being reset at least 5 times in this thread. I get sick of whiny little b1tches.
And by all means, please tell me which facts are not straight? By the way, how are the folks that play on the private server? They still log in for your TW's or have they done like CR and stopped logging in at all? Nothing was more annoying than seeing them log on prior to a TW and actually get in.0 -
lol goseri .. so they leveled up and had the strategy to take level 3 territories when other people didn't .. but wait.. they didn't work hard at all.. that was just given to them
as for nef and leg never attacking each other.. that won't happen .. it will just never be a straight up 1 v 1.. unless it got to the point where one faction only had 1 territory... that was the only way outlaw got to have any 1v1s0 -
:taking an eraser: :erasing some red and some orange: there we go!!! 10 blanksb:victoryb:pleased0
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Nef worked hard ...b:chuckle
Oh, didn't work hard?
I don't see were you can even be qualified to make that claim. Are you referring to the Officers? Or the entirety of the members, past and present, of which the faction has comprised?
As for the Officers, so far all they have done is 4 Weeks of initial preparation, recruiting, establishing forums, and voice servers, plus 26 Weeks of TW. That many Weeks of TW Pay, Attendance, Spreadsheets, Squad Assignments, Sign Ups, Officer Meetings, not to mention the day to day troubles of any faction, TW or not. How is that for not working hard? Spending the time that you would otherwise be spending playing the game, buried in what seems like office work.
The faction itself, has always consisted of very well leveled players (and I can assure you, they didn't wake up that way). They are also very tolerant, and patient people, to put up with a couple of hundred other people, and all the potential for conflict that comes with it. They also make sacrifices, many of them waking up in the middle of the night just to participate, heck, just to check the TW Squad Assignments to see if they were in. Otherwise, they are people who give up some of their weekend to participate. And if you think that is easy to do, just ask any of the factions we've steamrolled what their % turnout was, I am betting it is much lower than Nefarious' ~75% (Even when we only need 80 People).
So the actual TWs themselves are quite easy, but that is only because we have done all the hard work long before the TW even started.
Now, Nefarious may be pure evil, and may need to be put in check, but give credit were credit is due. Because, anonymous player, I don't see you working any harder than Nefarious to change the situation on the TW Map.0 -
Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »And if you think that is easy to do, just ask any of the factions we've steamrolled what their % turnout was, I am betting it is much lower than Nefarious' ~75% (Even when we only need 80 People).
The amount of people who show up for TW from any faction has very little to do with the preparation. The reason Nef can field so many people if need be is only because you are the top faction. You simply have a good majority of the higher more active players as a result.0 -
So the actual TWs themselves are quite easy, but that is only because we have done all the hard work long before the TW even started.
Well said. Most people don't realize just what exactly it takes to run a successful guild.0 -
The amount of people who show up for TW from any faction has very little to do with the preparation. The reason Nef can field so many people if need be is only because you are the top faction. You simply have a good majority of the higher more active players as a result.
And the cause of Nefarious being a top faction able to attract players was what?
Random chance?
Or maybe that SasakiSayuri paid real life money (And farmed coins as a Veno) to level his faction quicker than any others, as well as started with a loyal and competent core of people who he knew and trusted before hand to recruit many of the highest leveled and dedicated players in the server, in order to take a level 3 Territory two weeks before anyone else, all at the same time keeping a faction together (Its hard work), which then set Nefarious up for even greater success in TW, as well as being able to recruit even higher levels, and this run on sentence continues until now?
"Luck favors the prepared mind" --- Louis Pasteur
No matter how you slice it, Nefarious' high turnout/success is directly a cause of some earlier action, or what I called "preparation".0 -
Nef worked hard ...b:chuckle. Nah they were just the first factions with Leg and SW able to take territories on sanctuary. So much for hard work!
idk maybe ur right but i doubt it.. bc if memory serves me right when i started playing pwi there were several colors on the map not just mostly 2... i could swear i saw a few territories held by dreaming and by outlaw.. hmm i could be wrong but i dont think so...And no, resetting the map is not an insult to the entire server. However it's an insult if they let 400 ppl abuse a flawed TW system forever!
Absolutely it would be.. it'd say you ppl are a bunch of morons bc u cant even play a game right so we have to start u all over and hope u will have learned ur lesson.. in the end i believe the map would probably look the same, tho maybe the colors might alter.. Nef may want the east side and Leg may fancy the west.. b:chuckle0 -
Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »Now, Nefarious may be pure evil, and may need to be put in check, but give credit were credit is due. Because, anonymous player, I don't see you working any harder than Nefarious to change the situation on the TW Map.
Oh come now Falls...we're just *mostly* evil. b:byeMark 12:29-37
_WillFire_ 8x Combat Medic0 -
Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »And the cause of Nefarious being a top faction able to attract players was what?
Random chance?
Or maybe that SasakiSayuri paid real life money (And farmed coins as a Veno) to level his faction quicker than any others, as well as started with a loyal and competent core of people who he knew and trusted before hand to recruit many of the highest leveled and dedicated players in the server, in order to take a level 3 Territory two weeks before anyone else, all at the same time keeping a faction together (Its hard work), which then set Nefarious up for even greater success in TW, as well as being able to recruit even higher levels, and this run on sentence continues until now?
"Luck favors the prepared mind" --- Louis Pasteur
No matter how you slice it, Nefarious' high turnout/success is directly a cause of some earlier action, or what I called "preparation".
Oh come on now, I have been around long enough to know that Nefarious is almost nothing of what it was initially when it comes to the roster. I am sure you have many loyal dedicated old school Nefies but the majority of the people in your guild now are from other guilds.
And yes your early success is what brought in a lot of members early on, and due to the continued success, continues to bring them in. I as well as you were referring to the Pre-TW preparations, setting up squads, planning starategy, and so on, when it comes to turnout.0 -
Oh come on now, I have been around long enough to know that Nefarious is almost nothing of what it was initially when it comes to the roster. I am sure you have many loyal dedicated old school Nefies but the majority of the people in your guild now are from other guilds.
And yes your early success is what brought in a lot of members early on, and due to the continued success, continues to bring them in. I as well as you were referring to the Pre-TW preparations, setting up squads, planning starategy, and so on, when it comes to turnout.
So I'm not too clear on what you are saying. It's a fallacy to say that a group becomes weaker because people leave. It could, in fact, become stronger. Add to this that new people bring thier own experience which has been benificial. Add to this the preparation and planning of the past and present.
Personally I view this entire thread as a rather lame attempt to provoke. The passage of time has shown this doesn't work with Nef ( or for that matter Legendary ).
Your time and coin would be better spent laying a foundation like these two guilds.Mark 12:29-37
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Oh come on now, I have been around long enough to know that Nefarious is almost nothing of what it was initially when it comes to the roster. I am sure you have many loyal dedicated old school Nefies but the majority of the people in your guild now are from other guilds.
And yes your early success is what brought in a lot of members early on, and due to the continued success, continues to bring them in. I as well as you were referring to the Pre-TW preparations, setting up squads, planning starategy, and so on, when it comes to turnout.
No, I wasn't strictly referring to that, but nice assumption.
This is what I wrote to refresh your memory: "So the actual TWs themselves are quite easy, but that is only because we have done all the hard work long before the TW even started."
Where that implies stricly "setting up squads, planning strategy" is beyond me. This confusion is why I clarified the point in my previous post.
And just factually, only about 10 people remain from the initial 200, but that is irrelevant when discussing the efforts of Nefarious the faction.0 -
lol goseri .. so they leveled up and had the strategy to take level 3 territories when other people didn't .. but wait.. they didn't work hard at all.. that was just given to them
Huh you're right if you consider playing this game and planning basic pve as "hard work".
Let me guess: Nef members grinding -> hard work! Anyone else grinding->???as for nef and leg never attacking each other.. that won't happen .. it will just never be a straight up 1 v 1.. unless it got to the point where one faction only had 1 territory... that was the only way outlaw got to have any 1v1s
Cool! A good reason to not attack each other XD.
Tip: If you want a straight 1v1 agains't Leg , bid in the last few second.I don't see were you can even be qualified to make that claim. Are you referring to the Officers? Or the entirety of the members, past and present, of which the faction has comprised?
As for the Officers, so far all they have done is 4 Weeks of initial preparation, recruiting, establishing forums, and voice servers, plus 26 Weeks of TW. That many Weeks of TW Pay, Attendance, Spreadsheets, Squad Assignments, Sign Ups, Officer Meetings, not to mention the day to day troubles of any faction, TW or not. How is that for not working hard? Spending the time that you would otherwise be spending playing the game, buried in what seems like office work.
The faction itself, has always consisted of very well leveled players (and I can assure you, they didn't wake up that way). They are also very tolerant, and patient people, to put up with a couple of hundred other people, and all the potential for conflict that comes with it. They also make sacrifices, many of them waking up in the middle of the night just to participate, heck, just to check the TW Squad Assignments to see if they were in. Otherwise, they are people who give up some of their weekend to participate. And if you think that is easy to do, just ask any of the factions we've steamrolled what their % turnout was, I am betting it is much lower than Nefarious' ~75% (Even when we only need 80 People).
So the actual TWs themselves are quite easy, but that is only because we have done all the hard work long before the TW even started.
All TW factions do the same things and deal with the same problems, drama, etc,etc... this is not a valid point Falls. You did it before the others, that's all. Not sure you deserve that kind of power only cause you were the first in line though.Now, Nefarious may be pure evil, and may need to be put in check, but give credit were credit is due. Because, anonymous player, I don't see you working any harder than Nefarious to change the situation on the TW Map.
Well assuming someone is enough dumb to "work" to change the current TW situation, he's like 1,000,000,000 coins behind. I wish him good luck if that guy exist!b:bye0 -
Ok I am done here, I am not going to start arguing semantics.0
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All TW factions do the same things and deal with the same problems, drama, etc,etc... this is not a valid point Falls. You did it before the others, that's all. Not sure you deserve that kind of power only cause you were the first in line though.
That in no way invalidates the hard work it took to make Nefarious "the first in line" (The fastest/best out of the available competition), nor any of the hard work that goes on now. If you don't recall your previous post, you scoffed at those efforts.
That other TW factions deal with the same issues just reinforces the point that they obviously didn't deal with them as well, hence the situation we find ourselves in.Well assuming someone is enough dumb to "work" to change the current TW situation, he's like 1,000,000,000 coins behind. I wish him good luck if that guy exist!b:bye
=/ Well, just look at Enrage.0 -
Nef members grinding and leveling faster than others = harder work than those other people ..
being the first to accomplish anything is hard work
yes its dumb to try and change stuff you don't like... much smarter to sit back and whine0 -
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