weakest class?

AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »

i have tried both non **** biulds for wiz
both suck

and because i tried pure and LA i know how it does
not too great

Try out one of the **** builds b:laugh. I hear heavy armor wizzes are amazing in pvp b:victory

I actually know a wiz with this build... but it's only good until people find out he's heavy.. and then he's DEAD. Also, arcane people own him =D.

Senyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's just BS. How would giving Wizards a Magic attack buff like the clerics set them apart? it would make them more similar!!

As a cleric I'm bored of the limited attack skills I have. I wouldn't mind some different elements, and I definitely wouldn't mind a skill giving me +100% Physical defense of equipment value instead of a skill that lasts 20 seconds and just drains my charm over that period. it's not even usable without a charm (btw. I'm talking about plume shell). Yes it keeps me alive for a while, but duels just prove how much MP it drains.

Just to clarify, I meant a mag. attack buff that only we can give to ourselves. And, when I said set mages apart from clerics, i meant damage wise. When was the last time you played a game where the healer and the nuker do similar damage?
Whats wrong with 60% phys def. for an hour? My 100% only lasts 15 minutes. And, at least you have a damage absorption skill, mages dont get one. You can also stack a regen heal on yourself before attacking a mob. I have to cast something that takes what seems like 10 minutes to heal myself, and it can only be done inbetween mobs (without essential sutra). Which im ok with because im a mage, not a cleric, but why are you complaining about about a difference in 40% phys def, when yours lasts for an hour and you can heal the **** out of yourself.
You roll a cleric to buff and heal, and mage to do damage. Why would clerics need more attack skills when their primary duty is to buff and heal, and the ones they have are already pretty kickass?

DivineChang - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Isala,

I don't think you can tank Kimsa with just the BM party buff and heals from a cleric. Unless you got 3-4 good clerics and lots of vit. BUT, good point you made in that post. I still think VENOS ARE OP (with nix...) and WIZZIES SUCK pvp.

I suppose I didn't clarify, sorry. There were 2 clerics. And with my gear, and natural Vit, I have over 83 Vitality. Plus I had a charm. And I used an Undine to reduce his Physical Attack. Never said it was easy, just that I could. I was spamming the **** out of potions. Like I said, I went on a tangent. But I just get so tired of seeing people pidgeonhole classes, you know? You are [insert class here] do [insert task here].

I've made a Veno that others shudder at. But it works. I've sacrificed attack for survival. I've modified the LA build to give me 60 Vit, and less Mag. I have 2 sets of gear, depending on what I'm tanking. And a third set that does nothing but boost magic. I phys def shard my armor, and mag def shard my robes, and MP shard my magic gear. I have pure mag Venos, Arcane Vit Venos, LA venos, and a heavy Veno in my faction. That doesn't even go into the other classes.

There are so many ways to play each individual class, it's almost impossible to judge their weakness based on a class as a whole. The normal way of thinking is wrong. Every class does NOT have it's place. Every BM isn't going to DD the same way, and some are better tanks than barbs. Every wizard is not going to die by even catching the eye of a mob. Every cleric is not your own personal sentient healing charm. I know an attack cleric that wrecks anything that moves. I had an archer tank FB59 for me. An ARCHER. Not a barb, not a caster, since the mobs in there are casting mobs, an archer. And I know a barb that speed kills anything that moves, and has millions in his bank.

The saddest thing? Most people are just going to glance over this post, and probably most of the other posts in this thread, click the Reply button, and make another post claiming how THIS class is bad, or THIS class is overpowered, without even stopping to think what kind of setup is behind their topic of choice. Because, in the end, nobody wants to evaluate the opinions they have formed, and when someone challenges them they hold on to them even harder. And that is why threads like this will never stop. And on a grander scheme, why the human race will never stop fighting with itself. It's the only thing we really know how to do. We are driven, for whatever reason, to be superior, to be right. We just never question why it is we think that way in the first place.

well since this is back up>.>
i voted for wiz! felt they could use some pity after getting the shaft for MOST of the squad type PvE.
archers in general deals more dmg than the wiz due to long cast time on spells
bm got a phys def buff for a party and got good aoe skills, not to mention heaven's flame amp
barb must have tank for most of PvE
cleric must have healing for most of PvE
veno usually prefered so u can pull mobs 1 by 1 instead of killing in 2-3 also can work as tank with herc.
wiz:>.>less dmg overall than archer, cant tank, no real party buff, got 1 sucky heal spell which is usually unusedXD
well wiz seems to be in high demand for rebirth runs nowdays so u guys are lucky there, that or it could just be the peeps i go with are missing wizzies>.>

though i heard u guys are in high demand for TW, havent done one yet so i cant say but i hope u guys are, so wiz arent completely shafted in the grand scheme of things and what not

wizards probably have the most potential in the game that only shows late late in the game. i think we should wait til some really ridiculous lvl'd wizards to judge. what i hear is endgame archers run from endgame wizards, with chi pots.

also, essential sutra + morning dew = backup heal lololol

Suiryujin - Sanctuary wrote: »

well since this is back up>.>
i voted for wiz! felt they could use some pity after getting the shaft for MOST of the squad type PvE.
archers in general deals more dmg than the wiz due to long cast time on spells
bm got a phys def buff for a party and got good aoe skills, not to mention heaven's flame amp
barb must have tank for most of PvE
cleric must have healing for most of PvE
veno usually prefered so u can pull mobs 1 by 1 instead of killing in 2-3 also can work as tank with herc.
wiz:>.>less dmg overall than archer, cant tank, no real party buff, got 1 sucky heal spell which is usually unusedXD
well wiz seems to be in high demand for rebirth runs nowdays so u guys are lucky there, that or it could just be the peeps i go with are missing wizzies>.>

though i heard u guys are in high demand for TW, havent done one yet so i cant say but i hope u guys are, so wiz arent completely shafted in the grand scheme of things and what not

Where's Mumintroll to read this post when QQing about the wizard days of yore? The role and need of wizards really hasn't changed. Good quoting material, even if the person above my post necro'd the topic. b:cute

inb4GMclosesThread

/inb4lock

Wizzies need something in the way of a squad buff that's actually useful.
Idk why you guys think we suck. Before sins we were one of the the better 1v1 classes endgame, and ***** in group pvp and TW.

But nowadays sins kill us if we even flirt with the idea of leaving the sz, so we aren't exactly the best in 1v1 anymore...

Wow no one closed the thread yet o_o''

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Where's Mumintroll to read this post when QQing about the wizard days of yore? The role and need of wizards really hasn't changed. Good quoting material, even if the person above my post necro'd the topic. b:cute

He only reads what is convenient. b:chuckle

Love the mix of MY-EN and PWI names in the poll btw.


/inb4....

wizzies are the weakest ?! lolumad?

Wizards suck, until end game. Unless you can get pimped out gear. You can't even one shot anything until later levels and even then its a two shot. Plus your ubber squishy, mana and Hp pots because you won't kill stuff in time anyway. Never had the patience for it.