weakest class?

Isala - Sanctuary

AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »

i have tried both non **** biulds for wiz
both suck

and because i tried pure and LA i know how it does
not too great

Well, you know the solution when following "BUILDS" fails, right? That's simple. Make your own. b:victory I grow so tired of seeing "My class suxxors cuz no builds work for them."

I'm going to suggest something here and feel free to flame, it's cool. Wizards have a Pdef buff, correct? As do clerics, and BM's. And guess what? They ALL stack! But unlike Cleric and BM buffs, Wizards can only use them on themselves. Do you realize that with three PDef buffs and Light Armor just how much Physical Resist you actually gain?

Problem is, you people are thinking linearly here. Saying a class sucks because of what it's own skills are is a viable set of thinking, yeah, but it fails to take into account the fact that this is a party game as well as a solo game. Sure, your own set of skills may not shine. But think about how often you see Barbs with Cleric buffs, or Bramble Guard? Cannot the same be said for other classes? I can SOLO Gouf without a pet with a Blademaster buff. With cleric buffs, and healing? Gouf isn't even a threat. I can even do Kimsa like that. Toss in a Barb buff for HP and Damage? Look out world.

Now, before going on a tangent here, let me ask you to evaluate it this way. IF you had every single buff on a character, which one would shine, and where? Look at builds, look at stats, look at skills. Take a nice hard look before you take a kneejerk reaction like VENOS ARE OP, or WIZZIES SUCK! Because, we all have friends that could come over, dump a buff on us, and leave, so we can go back to soloing. Hell, several passing people dispense buffs. The AoE ones that can only be used in a squad last a long time, while the ones that can be used out of it only last a little, but either way, it's not that hard to get buffs. Just ask. And then tell me the power of your class. Until you do that, you're only taking a look at a fraction of your true power.

DivineChang - Heavens Tear

AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »

i have tried both non **** biulds for wiz
both suck

and because i tried pure and LA i know how it does
not too great

Try out one of the **** builds b:laugh. I hear heavy armor wizzes are amazing in pvp b:victory

I actually know a wiz with this build... but it's only good until people find out he's heavy.. and then he's DEAD. Also, arcane people own him =D.

DivineChang - Heavens Tear

Isala,

I don't think you can tank Kimsa with just the BM party buff and heals from a cleric. Unless you got 3-4 good clerics and lots of vit. BUT, good point you made in that post. I still think VENOS ARE OP (with nix...) and WIZZIES SUCK pvp.

Friction - Lost City

Senyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that's just BS. How would giving Wizards a Magic attack buff like the clerics set them apart? it would make them more similar!!

As a cleric I'm bored of the limited attack skills I have. I wouldn't mind some different elements, and I definitely wouldn't mind a skill giving me +100% Physical defense of equipment value instead of a skill that lasts 20 seconds and just drains my charm over that period. it's not even usable without a charm (btw. I'm talking about plume shell). Yes it keeps me alive for a while, but duels just prove how much MP it drains.

Just to clarify, I meant a mag. attack buff that only we can give to ourselves. And, when I said set mages apart from clerics, i meant damage wise. When was the last time you played a game where the healer and the nuker do similar damage?
Whats wrong with 60% phys def. for an hour? My 100% only lasts 15 minutes. And, at least you have a damage absorption skill, mages dont get one. You can also stack a regen heal on yourself before attacking a mob. I have to cast something that takes what seems like 10 minutes to heal myself, and it can only be done inbetween mobs (without essential sutra). Which im ok with because im a mage, not a cleric, but why are you complaining about about a difference in 40% phys def, when yours lasts for an hour and you can heal the **** out of yourself.
You roll a cleric to buff and heal, and mage to do damage. Why would clerics need more attack skills when their primary duty is to buff and heal, and the ones they have are already pretty kickass?

RoGz - Lost City

The Wiz can kill any other class just as fast as they can kill The Wiz..

Isala - Sanctuary

DivineChang - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Isala,

I don't think you can tank Kimsa with just the BM party buff and heals from a cleric. Unless you got 3-4 good clerics and lots of vit. BUT, good point you made in that post. I still think VENOS ARE OP (with nix...) and WIZZIES SUCK pvp.

I suppose I didn't clarify, sorry. There were 2 clerics. And with my gear, and natural Vit, I have over 83 Vitality. Plus I had a charm. And I used an Undine to reduce his Physical Attack. Never said it was easy, just that I could. I was spamming the **** out of potions. Like I said, I went on a tangent. But I just get so tired of seeing people pidgeonhole classes, you know? You are [insert class here] do [insert task here].

I've made a Veno that others shudder at. But it works. I've sacrificed attack for survival. I've modified the LA build to give me 60 Vit, and less Mag. I have 2 sets of gear, depending on what I'm tanking. And a third set that does nothing but boost magic. I phys def shard my armor, and mag def shard my robes, and MP shard my magic gear. I have pure mag Venos, Arcane Vit Venos, LA venos, and a heavy Veno in my faction. That doesn't even go into the other classes.

There are so many ways to play each individual class, it's almost impossible to judge their weakness based on a class as a whole. The normal way of thinking is wrong. Every class does NOT have it's place. Every BM isn't going to DD the same way, and some are better tanks than barbs. Every wizard is not going to die by even catching the eye of a mob. Every cleric is not your own personal sentient healing charm. I know an attack cleric that wrecks anything that moves. I had an archer tank FB59 for me. An ARCHER. Not a barb, not a caster, since the mobs in there are casting mobs, an archer. And I know a barb that speed kills anything that moves, and has millions in his bank.

The saddest thing? Most people are just going to glance over this post, and probably most of the other posts in this thread, click the Reply button, and make another post claiming how THIS class is bad, or THIS class is overpowered, without even stopping to think what kind of setup is behind their topic of choice. Because, in the end, nobody wants to evaluate the opinions they have formed, and when someone challenges them they hold on to them even harder. And that is why threads like this will never stop. And on a grander scheme, why the human race will never stop fighting with itself. It's the only thing we really know how to do. We are driven, for whatever reason, to be superior, to be right. We just never question why it is we think that way in the first place.

Nelae - Heavens Tear

NON of the classes in PWi suck!!!!!
There are class and builds of that class for every game style.
Simply following builds that other lay out is what makes you believe it sucks.

Find your game style, see what other say out of experience and judge and make something new that works FOR YOU

AndromedaB - Sanctuary

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

NON of the classes in PWi suck!!!!!
There are class and builds of that class for every game style.
Simply following builds that other lay out is what makes you believe it sucks.

Find your game style, see what other say out of experience and judge and make something new that works FOR YOU

lol





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just lol

Surfer_Rosa - Sanctuary

necroed your own thread? b:chuckle

Suiryujin - Sanctuary

well since this is back up>.>
i voted for wiz! felt they could use some pity after getting the shaft for MOST of the squad type PvE.
archers in general deals more dmg than the wiz due to long cast time on spells
bm got a phys def buff for a party and got good aoe skills, not to mention heaven's flame amp
barb must have tank for most of PvE
cleric must have healing for most of PvE
veno usually prefered so u can pull mobs 1 by 1 instead of killing in 2-3 also can work as tank with herc.
wiz:>.>less dmg overall than archer, cant tank, no real party buff, got 1 sucky heal spell which is usually unusedXD
well wiz seems to be in high demand for rebirth runs nowdays so u guys are lucky there, that or it could just be the peeps i go with are missing wizzies>.>

though i heard u guys are in high demand for TW, havent done one yet so i cant say but i hope u guys are, so wiz arent completely shafted in the grand scheme of things and what not

Zephyrx - Lost City

La la la la la la la

Cleric...

La la la la la la ... all other classes blow and suck.

I own.

P.S. Oh ****, voted for Cleric as the "weakest class" lol.... Or it wasn't a mistake o.O? Muwhaha this thread's useless anyways b:chuckle

mbrunestud

wizards probably have the most potential in the game that only shows late late in the game. i think we should wait til some really ridiculous lvl'd wizards to judge. what i hear is endgame archers run from endgame wizards, with chi pots.

also, essential sutra + morning dew = backup heal lololol

toast223

its when this game was cool

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Suiryujin - Sanctuary wrote: »

well since this is back up>.>
i voted for wiz! felt they could use some pity after getting the shaft for MOST of the squad type PvE.
archers in general deals more dmg than the wiz due to long cast time on spells
bm got a phys def buff for a party and got good aoe skills, not to mention heaven's flame amp
barb must have tank for most of PvE
cleric must have healing for most of PvE
veno usually prefered so u can pull mobs 1 by 1 instead of killing in 2-3 also can work as tank with herc.
wiz:>.>less dmg overall than archer, cant tank, no real party buff, got 1 sucky heal spell which is usually unusedXD
well wiz seems to be in high demand for rebirth runs nowdays so u guys are lucky there, that or it could just be the peeps i go with are missing wizzies>.>

though i heard u guys are in high demand for TW, havent done one yet so i cant say but i hope u guys are, so wiz arent completely shafted in the grand scheme of things and what not

Where's Mumintroll to read this post when QQing about the wizard days of yore? The role and need of wizards really hasn't changed. Good quoting material, even if the person above my post necro'd the topic. b:cute

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

This is a necro indeed.

Dedz - Raging Tide

inb4GMclosesThread

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Wizzys are still pretty weak in 1v1 pvp. Mass PvP they are above average, but still not the best.
Although barbs aren't great anymore either.

Go tanking build --> Sin does it better. Go DPS build --> Sin does it better. PvP? Sin does it better.

This thread reminds me that almost nothing has changed with the old classes.

Sverdet - Heavens Tear

/inb4lock

venovini

Yeah i dont like to say this, but wizz is weakest class, damage and defense are nothing compared to seeker. Channeling is very slow, at endgame i think wizz only can get abt 60% -chan, that make psy is still better with their black voodoo.b:angry

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Wizzies need something in the way of a squad buff that's actually useful.
Idk why you guys think we suck. Before sins we were one of the the better 1v1 classes endgame, and ***** in group pvp and TW.

But nowadays sins kill us if we even flirt with the idea of leaving the sz, so we aren't exactly the best in 1v1 anymore...

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver

In before the lock, and I'd have to say that no class can really be defined as a weakest class, but its subject to what the player likes in this game.

I would have said probably cleric earlier on, but my cleric has really been shining since I've gotten more experienced with her, and even more since learning wield thunder. Its a bit rough early game, but once you learn wield thunnder at close to midgame it begins to ease up for you. Metal Mastery also eases things up for you as well...but more than those two things...EXPERIENCE. That applies for all classes.

So, that said...I vote for no classes as weaker than another.

ShinSein - Harshlands

Wow no one closed the thread yet o_o''

AlbireoTwo - Lost City

Assassin is, obviously.

Decus - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Where's Mumintroll to read this post when QQing about the wizard days of yore? The role and need of wizards really hasn't changed. Good quoting material, even if the person above my post necro'd the topic. b:cute

He only reads what is convenient. b:chuckle

Love the mix of MY-EN and PWI names in the poll btw.


/inb4....

toast223

i brought the good old times back for a bit how beautifull balance was and now you can fish everything

Krarenka - Raging Tide

wizzies are the weakest ?! lolumad?

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

Thread is from 2009

Alexos - Lost City

Wizards suck, until end game. Unless you can get pimped out gear. You can't even one shot anything until later levels and even then its a two shot. Plus your ubber squishy, mana and Hp pots because you won't kill stuff in time anyway. Never had the patience for it.

Dellores - Dreamweaver

Haha ppl used to complain about getting ticked in one shot. Nowadays people just straight up die in 1 hit b:chuckle