Full attack barb and Nuke Cleric

i've got a full dex veno and it is amazing.

Except for the whole "can't wear the appropriate armor" thing

swgs wrote: »

A full dex veno is different, you can still serve the veno role in a group. you can still DD, amp, lure and purge. that's what people are expecting a veno to do in a group. But can some one tell me what is the advantage of being a heavy cleric?

People wont annoy u by asking if u want to go fb or tt with themb:chuckle

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just wondering what people think about these players that pick these paths.

Aparently, they are focused on attacking rather than their game role.

I'm generally against the notion that players ought to fit their characters into certain expected roles. However, the game doesn't really seem to allow a whole lot of flexibility for unusual builds because the skill sets definitely favour certain roles.

So a full attack cleric kinda strikes me as a wizard, but with less types of attack spells, while a full offense barbarian kinda strikes me as a blademaster, but with less stun/aoe skills.

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just wondering what people think about these players that pick these paths.

Aparently, they are focused on attacking rather than their game role.


So, what do you think about them?

At least they can think outside the box.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

So a full attack cleric kinda strikes me as a wizard, but with less types of attack spells, while a full offense barbarian kinda strikes me as a blademaster, but with less stun/aoe skills.

I have to agree with this. I've been spending my time evenly on a Wizard and a Cleric, to figure out which one I'd like to have as my Main. (The Venomancer on my Avatar has fallen into being a secondary character.) When on the Cleric, I enjoy the buff/heal abilities and the benefit it lends to squads and faction, but when working the PvE angle the lack of different elemental attacks bugs me a little. But the Wizard, which gives me that attack variety, is lacking in the buff/heal department.

So making my Cleric the attacker, rather than the healer, doesn't make sense to me. Oh, I'd be able to hit for a ton down the line, but the way the stats and skills run, I'd rather take advantage of the healing skillsets. On the other hand, my Wizard WILL be able to hit for a ton down the line, and comes with limited healing sets (if you can even call it that) anyway, so I'll be focusing on the attack aspect for her. At some point I'll decide which one to focus on for leveling and end-game, but the other will become my secondary to be on-call if needed in certain situations. So I'll have the best of both, just on different characters

I'm already surrounded by tanks on a server highly populated with Venos, so my poor tank(pet) Veno is gathering dust at the moment XD My choice to go with a magical support class got some unsolicited approval yesterday as I ran healing backup in Archosaur for a friend. Cries of "buff, buff" followed my Cleric. 'twas a little surprising at first as my Mage and Veno are all but ignored aside from Duel requests XD

Oz - Lost City wrote: »

had to laugh at "FAC" b:chuckle

I personally think that, yes, everyone can do what they want and I wouldnt call them off for whatever build they choose..

However, classes in PW (up to a certain extent) are just made to be what they are, due to their skills, weapons, armour, blabla..

--> A barb is a tank class, and you cant really change that. You arent meant to deal high damage, you are meant to be the meatshield, the barb skills show that


--> A healer is a healer and not a damage dealer. That doesnt mean youre gonna be bad at PvE or PK, you will just fight differently. Full attack imo is the worst thing you can do to your cleric, especially at lower levels. You NEED to fulfill your supportive role, so you can help people, get invites to fbs, HH and whatnot. Later on, after lvl90, that doesnt matter anymore anyway since you have all your skills maxed and a refined weapon gives you nice power.
My opinion: If you want a healer, choose a cleric. If you want to be a mage, choose a mage, not a healer -.-

To say "only mages should do X, and if you want to do X, you should play a mage", or "if you play a cleric you should only do X because that is what clerics are 'supposed to do', and not Y because that is what mages do".

Just because that is how you would play that class doesn't mean that is the only way to play the class.

Someone playing a cleric that has leveled their attack skills more than their support skills is playing their class just as correctly as the player leveling their support skills more. The player who eschewed their support skills almost completely is still playing their class correctly even though you might disagree with that because it doesn't benefit you with buffs and really good heals, but simply does a lot of damage.


Listening to people who only want each class to do what they want them to do is possibly the worst thing a player can do.

a simple skillset for any cleric to get first is Ironheart blessing, plumeshot, cyclone & the physical defense, magic defense and magic attack buffs.

get those skills and youll be able to buff, heal and attack just the same, regardless of wether you call yourself FAC or not. and those skills will be maxed by early 50s...

later on you can always focus on attack skills or more stuff like revive and purify etc. but thats not that shocking.

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

Attack barbs can't fill the role of tank well because the difference is in stats. Hybird attack clerics can still fill the role of healer well, with a few modifications to skills, since stats are basically the same.

Out of the 3 main skill trees (heal, buff, attack) only lvl the best, and you'll be able to dd as well as heal as well as any of the pure support or pure attack classes. Instead of maxing all skills out of one tree, pick out the best of each tree and leave the crappy ones.

Out of heals, max ironheart, and maybe wellspring. Party heals aren't useful, a good party should only have the tank taking large amount of damage anyway. Archers who steal aggro are on their own.

In buffs, max Spirit's gift, leave rest. Defensive and regeneration buffs are nice to have, but not vital.

In attacks, max plume shot, cyclone, and maybe tempest. Skills like thunderball are a waste of SP.

Fewer, more spammable skills attack work out well anyway. Low number of attack skills are the strength of Clerics and Venos. The greatest weakness of Wizard is too many redundant attack skills that all require SP, in place of useful utility/survival skills like plume shell or bramble array. A balanced cleric can deal just as much damage as Wiz, by spamming the same skills over and over, and at the same time be a lot more survivable and useful.

No offense but I think you are not informed enough about clerics to be giving advice on skills.

For one Chromatic healing beam (AOE heal) is pretty useful, unless you like to waste mana using Regeneration aura all the time. It is not something you need to max by any means, however I have mine only at lvl 4 and seems to be fine for the time being. If you play cleric long enough you will learn under which circumstances it is best to use either Aura or AOE heal.

As for buffs, I think its pretty important to max them all. The least important is Celestial guardian seal, I think. However, when you can, it is also important to max it if you plan on being at least to some degree a support cleric. Also it helps to conserve mana during grinding and healing which any little bit helps, trust me. All the rest of the buffs are almost a must to max asap, however at lower lvls you will not have the sp to do that so be wise and lvl what is more useful at your lvl with the sp you have.

On to attacks, Wield thunder is also high priority skill to max as well, it is the best attack skill a cleric has. Tempest alone does great AOE damage but requires 2 sparks so its not always use-able. If you use Elemental seal> Advanced Spark> Wield thunder, you can deal huge amounts of damage to your target. This chain also requires 2 sparks but Advanced spark isn't needed to do pretty good damage with wield thunder and elemental seal.

Now when to lvl these skills and in what order is something I am not going to get int nor when or how to use them as that would just take way to long. If you play Cleric long enough you will learn.

IMO tanking is very easy and does not require a build to be based on the ability to tank.And having a attack based build mixed with tanking skills works out better then most ppl think invoke FTW!!.But as said before you cant really deviate from the expected role of your class to much.(build wise)

P.S I have been told i tank better then ppl who do have tank based builds.Even approached by other barbs asking, "how can i be a better tank"?...its not that complicated.and it's not just based on you;(gives my clerics credit tob:victory

Literature - Harshlands wrote: »

Fac barbs and nuker clerics are fail. I've seen nuke clerics. They can't heal and they do close to the same dmg as a normal cleric. They drop very easy because they have weak buffs too.

Never seen a fac barb but I think they would be just as much fail. Barb power comes from his crazy tanking.

It is not the build, all cleric will be able to learn same skills when they are 85+ regardless the build. the issue is a lots of FAC are not willing to play a supporting role, if they have a chance to send out only one spell, they most likely send out a attack instead a heal. there is nothing wrong to play the way they like, you just need to know your squad members when you form a squad. I do not have problem to group with a FAC, but a FAC (or used to be) is just a DD in my squad, if I only have one spot for a cleric, I rather then pick a lower level full support cleric then a higher level FAC (or used to be) with same sometime even better skills.

Full attack barb is understandable. They are a tank compare to any non barb classes, but they can not tank as good as a full tank build barb, they may all have same skills, but they do not have same amount of HP. they are both the same when the level difference is big between the barb and the mob, but they are not same when they need to tank a mob at or above their level. A experenced attack build barb may tank better the a full tank build barb without enough experence, but it does not mean a full attack barb can tank equally to a full tank build barb.