Full attack barb and Nuke Cleric

Granrey - Sanctuary

Literature - Harshlands wrote: »

If I wanted a damage dealing class I would just make an archer. ............

I think you are not making an effort in undertand his point. At level 60+ you have to kill insane amount of mobs to level up. Quest exps means nothing.

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You might want to be DD but you dont want to shoot arrows. Myself, I want to face the mob face to face and thats why I pick BM but some people want a different balance between DD/Tank and that's why they go to FAB.

No need to say, they will level up quicker than the regular barb when soloing.

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think you are not making an effort in undertand his point. At level 60+ you have to kill insane amount of mobs to level up. Quest exps means nothing.

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You might want to be DD but you dont want to shoot arrows. Myself, I want to face the mob face to face and thats why I pick BM but some people want a different balance between DD/Tank and that's why they go to FAB.

No need to say, they will level up quicker than the regular barb when soloing.

But...but I love doing my quests... b:sad ...I look forward to the new ones every level! b:laugh

Rule - Heavens Tear

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

Fewer, more spammable skills attack work out well anyway. Low number of attack skills are the strength of Clerics and Venos. The greatest weakness of Wizard is too many redundant attack skills that all require SP, in place of useful utility/survival skills like plume shell or bramble array. A balanced cleric can deal just as much damage as Wiz, by spamming the same skills over and over, and at the same time be a lot more survivable and useful.

The scary part is you believe this.

RedsRose - Lost City

Senyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have to somewhat agree with FAC's being a joke. A Full attack cleric is the same as normal cleric stats wise. the more magic you have the better you deal damage/heal. But it's ironic that something that couldn't possibly survive would be a full attack cleric, you need to stay alive to deal damage.

I didn't want to get put in ether role, I love dealing damage and stealing agro from mobs on fb runs, but I also like to have ppl being able to rely on me as a healer. so I leveled core attack and support skills and I never had anyone complaining. * Ditto

But I have to agree that I'm a little tired of the limited attack skills the cleric has compared to other classes.*This is so true...we Do Not have too many attack options! there's physical and magical. and of the magic damage there's one effect witch is slow.

Erado - Heavens Tear wrote: »

a simple skillset for any cleric to get first is Ironheart blessing, plumeshot, cyclone & the physical defense, magic defense and magic attack buffs.

later on you can always focus on attack skills or more stuff like revive and purify etc. but thats not that shocking.

Every clerics attack skills should be leveled as soon as possible, being as there is really only 2 primary and some good secondary ones. The "extras" such as revive, purify, elemental seal, etc. Is at the discretion of the player, however I would highly recommend at least having a level 1 purify because regardless of build it will aid the individual when questing and grinding.

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think you are not making an effort in undertand his point. At level 60+ you have to kill insane amount of mobs to level up. Quest exps means nothing.

This is true to level up, but if you play your cleric right, it is not bad and very manageable. And, this is especially true if you get the right gear. I think the issue is the "supportive role" in which Clerics are placed. This is fine, but Clerics can be just as effective in dealing damage and yet still have skills to be supportive.

Literature - Harshlands

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think you are not making an effort in undertand his point. At level 60+ you have to kill insane amount of mobs to level up. Quest exps means nothing.

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You might want to be DD but you dont want to shoot arrows. Myself, I want to face the mob face to face and thats why I pick BM but some people want a different balance between DD/Tank and that's why they go to FAB.

No need to say, they will level up quicker than the regular barb when soloing.

I wanna see his damage. I doubt it's much higher than a tank barb but I bet he loses a ton of survivability, especially when he's getting teamed in pvp.

Celestyna - Heavens Tear

On the fac / support cleric..
I have a full support build, vit/mag with phys and hp stones in my armor so i can withstand damage (including some tt bosses direct hits). Up until mid 70's i had two attack spells, and no debuffs. I had maxed all my heals and buffs, yet still could function properly solo, I die very rarely normally due to my own stupidity or foolishly thinking i can actually tank that 4th/5th(ect) mob that ninja spawned on me.
At this point, yes i can afford all the spells they are now all maxed .. i use razor feathers to solo grind, i use debuffs when i am dd'ing (herc tank so my heals are not needed).. only spell i wish i had not leveled up so far is temptest.. in parties its pretty much an instant agro if it doesnt kill them now.

Byakko - Dreamweaver

most barbs at later lvls will tend to have 60dex (lv105 heavy armou) or 80+dex for PvP (tw if nothing else) for stats anyways, by the time you reach 90+ you'll have almost all skills leveled that are useful anyways, so there is no real Full attack 'x' class anyway =/

all a FAC has to have is single target buffs maxed /ironheart to fulfill at the least backup healer, against most boss' all they'd need is ironheart anyway,
sure AoE heal comes in handy for some fights, in those cases grab another cleric.

either way, if that player wants to play his/her class that way they're welcome too, its not like theres a rule stating you MUST play 'x' job 'x' way.

as long as they tell other members of the squad before hand it doesn't matter,

tanking is simple even FA barbs can just simply level flesh ream + tiger form + tank w/e they want with ease (same as cleric healing with ironheart)

finally:
there is no good or bad,
just perspective and opinion

Madijon - Lost City

I agree everyone should do what they want, but it is hard with pw having such set skills for clerics, other games i have played allowe you to choose your path, and skills from other classes.

mbrunestud

i dont know about other barbs out there, but the tank barbs in my faction have pretty much given up on grinding. they do mat cycles for coins and fb's for exp. thats right, lvl ups purely from fb's and what little quests they sometimes do. plus they're not any slower than my archer who lvls by grinding

full attack barbs may grind faster, but to say they lvl faster is not looking at the whole picture.

Senyo - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

The "extras" such as revive, purify, elemental seal, etc. Is at the discretion of the player, however I would highly recommend at least having a level 1 purify because regardless of build it will aid the individual when questing and grinding.

I can't say I agree with you. I consider revive very important. Also, you will have a very hard time doing an fb69 without purify at probably lvl6 or above. It can also be very helpful in TW's.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just wondering what people think about these players that pick these paths.

Aparently, they are focused on attacking rather than their game role.

Honestly, I have no problem with it, since we can all do whatever we want with our toons but I wonder what other people think about them. Sometimes is hard to find squads, so they have to do what they need to level up.

Myself, I have made my BM with very low tanking capabilities but with other properties that I like.


So, what do you think about them?

They may do what they like whatever it is a nuking cleric or a full attacking barb or etc. Solo? Hell be a heavy armour cleric if you want >.> (aka ClARB) But if theyre squaded, they just need to let pple know ahead of time that 'Im gonna do something out of the ordinary from what you expect of this class so watch out!'. The 5 or less pple in the PT may need to adjust their play style accordingly lest it might get dangerous. Like a car turn signal, you let pple get a rough idea of what your doing.

I believe there is no 'You SHOULD play this class like....' As long as each are not causing play style that inconveniences other party members. (if they are, leave them out of the PT) If your aiming to be a 'glass cannon' or something else just make sure you got the gears and skill to back yourself up. Each and every person in the squad is responsible for the groups success.

elmii

endlichman wrote: »

why should skill cleric's at least lvl 9 revive?
this cost just $$$ ...but a cleric wont have anything from it..she cant revive herself?! but other ppl can be revived...
if a cleric has just lvl 3-6 all ppl cry, ... its better than loosing all exp.
if you dont like this low lvls buy scrolls.. or another thing could be..pay for revive lvl10. because clerics had to pay for this skill,too....
all attack clerics with low rez skill.. but if they dont have the money ?
so please be nice, ask for revive lvl but dont blame any clerics for low skill lvl...otherwise give'em money :P XD

Well if you really want your guildmates or just friends to lose experience and suck as a result go ahead and have lvl 1 rev, however dont wonder afterwards why there arent any high barbs or venoes to help you out with tanking around you... ^_^ I am using guardians angels all the time so lvl of revive doesnt really matter to me, but someimes people simply run out of them or can t afford them

It s like for a barb saying why should I upgrade my Taunt skill? I have nothing out of it archer, cleric , wizard, bm and veno are dead? not my fault you re dealing too much damage ....

Suiryujin - Sanctuary

Byakko - Dreamweaver wrote: »

most barbs at later lvls will tend to have 60dex (lv105 heavy armou) or 80+dex for PvP (tw if nothing else) for stats anyways, by the time you reach 90+ you'll have almost all skills leveled that are useful anyways, so there is no real Full attack 'x' class anyway =/

all a FAC has to have is single target buffs maxed /ironheart to fulfill at the least backup healer, against most boss' all they'd need is ironheart anyway,
sure AoE heal comes in handy for some fights, in those cases grab another cleric.

either way, if that player wants to play his/her class that way they're welcome too, its not like theres a rule stating you MUST play 'x' job 'x' way.

as long as they tell other members of the squad before hand it doesn't matter,

tanking is simple even FA barbs can just simply level flesh ream + tiger form + tank w/e they want with ease (same as cleric healing with ironheart)

finally:
there is no good or bad,
just perspective and opinion

tanking is not simple>.> at least not if u want GOOD tanking. having a lvl 80 FA barb tank tt1-2 is easy, same for a lvl80 tank barb. having a lvl 65 tank barb tank tt1-2 is hard, try it with a FA barb and u will see the difference(1 lvl80 cleric only with no hp charm on barb)
my faction's tank started tanking full tt1-3 with no charm at lvl 69 and only 1 cleric, i seriously doubt ANY lvl 69 FA barb can survive tanking that

the 2 main difference between FA barb and tank barb. tank barb has more hp, this hp gap will increase as lvl increase. a FA barb might not have maxed all the aggro holding skills, forcing DDs to wait longer, increasing the length of boss kill,draining more charm and increasing repair cost.

i personally have no problems with people playing their class however they want, but if i am asking for a healer, and u told me u are a FAC cleric u are gone. if i ask for a tank, and well u say u cant survive it without more cleric because u are on FA build, u are gone.
there IS a good and bad
if i am looking for a tank and u died tanking because u are a FA barb, u are a bad barb because u misjudged ur own capabilities.

Hazardus - Heavens Tear

An attack barb tanks as well as a tanker barb?

Against physical bosses....maybe, since pdef is gained from both vit and str.
But against magical bosses.....lol no way, the tanker barb wins.

Just last night tanking 2-1, just started Wurlord, I screwed up and miss-timed my alclarity cycle 1 sec too early. Unfortunately at the same time my cleric lagged.
End result, wurlord landed a massive 8.5K mag hit on me (despite all my mag jewelry) accompanied by a 1.5k physical attack. Was down to my last 1k of HP for a sec.

Whoopsies can and do happen (no one is perfect b:chuckle) and when those occur the tanker barb survives where a attack barb would most certainly have failed.

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

I dont care what people think i am an attack cleric and it's fun that way

Granrey - Sanctuary

A FAC and a FAB (I ignore how likely is get the two in same squad, lol) almost ruined an FB29 yesterday.

We had an squad like this: 1 Veno (30+), 2BM (39 and 68), Barb (50+), Cleric (Tabber). The last member was another BM or wizard (30+).

I was invited by the level 39 BM, the Barb wanted a level 60 cleric to join. IMO the squad was balanced since the barb and the cleric should be able to tank/heal long enough before the rest of the squad kill the boss. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Well, since he insisted on getting another cleric, that gave me a bad feeling that something was not right (FAB?). So, I left squad*.

They got their cleric. My BM friend was updating me by PM and he said the cleric was acting as Damage Doer (FAC,LOL), well they did finish the FB but they lost a lot of exps (my friend lost 10%). The Barb sucked too at tanking.

*Honestly, when I get bad feelings on squad prior doing FB's, I leave squad. I prefer not to gain exps rather than losing exps and time.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

That is crazy. I solo'd my friends FB 29 the other day. No problem. No cleric. Just me and him.

AndromedaB - Sanctuary

and alot of charm...

Granrey - Sanctuary

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That is crazy. I solo'd my friends FB 29 the other day. No problem. No cleric. Just me and him.

I suck at tanking. I gave up stats wise on that.

I prefer to leave that to Barbs.

However, on a funny note. I tanked the first boss at FB39 with my charm/diamond sutra long enough for me and 70+ archer were able to kill him. LOL

That was not the plan but everybody else died (clerics and venos) by the mob AOE. So, we have to improvise.b:chuckle

Saying that, the FB failed as the tabber died too and we quit. It was too late.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »

and alot of charm...

Actually not as much as I thought I was going to go through. It only ticked a few times. I use two different recover HP items. One that recovers 4000hp over 30 seconds and another that recovers 2500hp in 10 seconds. And the best thing is I can use one while the other cools down. Which is awesome. The adds where easy I just used spark, aoe, my fire dragon (he is my friend) and aoe'd again all dead. Then i sat back used my marrows until i had full sparks and engaged. Lots of fun!!

And as far as FAB's go. They have there place in time in my opinion. A low level barb going high dex until around level 30 is good. He just has to buy the correct lower level skills. And plan way ahead on making the change over to tank. This allows him to level faster at lower levels. And then tank at higher levels so he gets called in for FB's. Which will allow him to level more quickly also. He just needs to use his SP properly. This method i've seen used several times. And it saves on coins.

AndromedaB - Sanctuary

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually not as much as I thought I was going to go through. It only ticked a few times. I use two different recover HP items. One that recovers 4000hp over 30 seconds and another that recovers 2500hp in 10 seconds. And the best thing is I can use one while the other cools down. Which is awesome. The adds where easy I just used spark, aoe, my fire dragon (he is my friend) and aoe'd again all dead. Then i sat back used my marrows until i had full sparks and engaged. Lots of fun!!

And as far as FAB's go. They have there place in time in my opinion. A low level barb going high dex until around level 30 is good. He just has to buy the correct lower level skills. And plan way ahead on making the change over to tank. This allows him to level faster at lower levels. And then tank at higher levels so he gets called in for FB's. Which will allow him to level more quickly also. He just needs to use his SP properly. This method i've seen used several times. And it saves on coins.

yeah before lv 40-60 ish you wont tank that much... so attack barb is good since you can get way more xp if you grind a hour than doing a fb or two
after that it just kinda fails...