weakest class?

AndromedaB - Sanctuary
AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
edited August 2011 in General Discussion
what do u think is the weakest class in pvp and pve

as in which needs a boost the most

and why
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  • Raika - Harshlands
    Raika - Harshlands Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    attention **** much?

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=247582

    Now watch as 80%+ people say Wizard is the most gimped and 90%+ say veno is the most OP.

    Thanks for the two extra threads.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    not really sure what you mean by weak... but wiz got almost no survivability and lose a lot of 1v1 pks (I know we have our place in TW etc.. but so do all other classes) Just seems like other classes have some way to live.. some kind of a reliable stun or one of those skills that absorb damage etc..
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  • Drazo - Heavens Tear
    Drazo - Heavens Tear Posts: 947 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I see PW-MY class names! Shame on you! b:surrender
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Having played all of them, I'd have to say none of them.
    Main characters
    Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
    Sage Barbarian Malego - 91
  • SoultheWolf - Lost City
    SoultheWolf - Lost City Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Venos are pretty bad in PvP but EXCELENT in PvE. But many people say Wiz are the worse. I personally think it has to be cleric do to the fact they can accidentally heal the enemy player and its HARD to do your quests. Also you burn through mana really fast.
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    SoultheWolf - Lost City wrote: »
    Venos are pretty bad in PvP but EXCELENT in PvE. But many people say Wiz are the worse. I personally think it has to be cleric do to the fact they can accidentally heal the enemy player and its HARD to do your quests. Also you burn through mana really fast.

    I know 1 veno who haven't gotten her nix yet.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    SoultheWolf - Lost City wrote: »
    Venos are pretty bad in PvP but EXCELENT in PvE. But many people say Wiz are the worse. I personally think it has to be cleric do to the fact they can accidentally heal the enemy player and its HARD to do your quests. Also you burn through mana really fast.

    Veno bad in PvP? News to me...
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  • dieho
    dieho Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    not really sure what you mean by weak... but wiz got almost no survivability and lose a lot of 1v1 pks (I know we have our place in TW etc.. but so do all other classes) Just seems like other classes have some way to live.. some kind of a reliable stun or one of those skills that absorb damage etc..



    add vit or change your entire armor set. isnt that what everyone tells a robe veno that gets 1 hit by everyone? every other class can change their build as well before crying about how they feel cheated and their class gets screwed so bad.
  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    dieho wrote: »
    add vit or change your entire armor set. isnt that what everyone tells a robe veno that gets 1 hit by everyone? every other class can change their build as well before crying about how they feel cheated and their class gets screwed so bad.

    i have tried both non **** biulds for wiz
    both suck

    and because i tried pure and LA i know how it does
    not too great
  • swgs
    swgs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    dieho wrote: »
    add vit or change your entire armor set. isnt that what everyone tells a robe veno that gets 1 hit by everyone? every other class can change their build as well before crying about how they feel cheated and their class gets screwed so bad.

    You are right, veno can be good in PVP if they are not a robe, it will be even better if they have a nix. but you should also know not every veno want to PVP only. I have said to switch to heavy when I reach 70, then 80, then 90, just do not know if I will eventually switch or not. may be when I decide to go PVP only. but overall I do not think veno is weak at all.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Wizards are weak?

    A level 54 wizard can double her physical defense, so arcane wizards with pdef ornaments can have good defense, and light armor wizards can have great physical defense. And, with distance shrink, wizards should be able to pick their battles. I think wizards have relatively low health only because they can make such good use of their own health.

    But, if I were comparing strengths and weaknesses, I would compare them based on skills and builds and gear -- and not just on class.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wizards are weak?

    A level 54 wizard can double her physical defense, so arcane wizards with pdef ornaments can have good defense, and light armor wizards can have great physical defense. And, with distance shrink, wizards should be able to pick their battles. I think wizards have relatively low health only because they can make such good use of their own health.

    But, if I were comparing strengths and weaknesses, I would compare them based on skills and builds and gear -- and not just on class.

    u've obviously never played a wizard
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  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Its common knowledge that wizzies pre 6x have life miserable. Most everyone concedes this. Doesn't make em less fun to play though imo.
  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    wizzies need some easier way to deal w/ incr magic resis mobs. lol

    but overall in pve, a lot of the misery would be gone if wizzies squad with someone.
  • Seraph - Dreamweaver
    Seraph - Dreamweaver Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I never had any problems with my wizard in PvE. Just depends on how you play it.

    Arguably clerics are a bit easier, since they can heal and all. lol
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    u've obviously never played a wizard

    I am a delicate archer and, from my point of view, getting hit usually means I made a mistake or had inadequate gear or both.

    But, actually, I have played a wizard, and I found myself almost always kiting. Level 3 wizards get gush, but I see low level wizards just standing there and I wonder about them.
  • Walterthewf - Harshlands
    Walterthewf - Harshlands Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    VENO BAD WEK

    WUTKINDA CLASS WOLD LOOOOSE N OEVONE VS OW N PETtt?
  • Coldflash - Dreamweaver
    Coldflash - Dreamweaver Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Its common knowledge that wizzies pre 6x have life miserable. Most everyone concedes this. Doesn't make em less fun to play though imo.

    Miserable? At 50 or so I was running the cube succesfully everyday (LA ftw), unfortuanately atm I feel really weak as at this point in time with my BM I was doing about the same damage per hit but hitting more often due to diferences in cast time, so I am feeling extremely weak...
    Seraph - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I never had any problems with my wizard in PvE. Just depends on how you play it.

    Arguably clerics are a bit easier, since they can heal and all. lol

    Agree with the first part, disagree with the second, cleric repairs bills will theoretically be higher since they can't kite as well as wizards, thus relying on their heals to keep them alive while they get hit. I may be wrong, I dunno, I could never play a cleric.
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am a delicate archer and, from my point of view, getting hit usually means I made a mistake or had inadequate gear or both.

    But, actually, I have played a wizard, and I found myself almost always kiting. Level 3 wizards get gush, but I see low level wizards just standing there and I wonder about them.

    Just because we don't run doesn't mean there is something wrong with us. In the low levels I ran, alot, but now I rarely actually run simply because it is less time efficient.


    There is only two real problem with wizards and those are 1) Alot of people think we suck so won't help us or whatever. 2) Our knockback range fails hardcore, whats the point of having to run into a caster mob to be able to knock them back? 10m isn't long enough to be useful unless you are solo grinding seaweed thieves or other pure physical mobs...

    All classes are completely balanced if you look at pve and pvp together, but if you look at one or the other then you will undoubtedly find a class lacks in one area or the other.
  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    From my pvp experiences... its pretty balanced. There is no class I run from and no class I keep an eye out for, for easy points. (except maybe venos lol they are -usually- squishy and easy to kill) 90+ Wiz in pvp are insanely scary too, PlazmaStryke 3-4 shots me(LA wiz, with my charm and pots.. damn my heavy armor[still farming my robes]) b:sad

    For pve, weakest defensively, maybe wizard. Slowest killer, maybe cleric.
  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    From my pvp experiences... its pretty balanced. There is no class I run from and no class I keep an eye out for, for easy points. (except maybe venos lol they are -usually- squishy and easy to kill) 90+ Wiz in pvp are insanely scary too, PlazmaStryke 3-4 shots me(LA wiz, with my charm and pots.. damn my heavy armor[still farming my robes]) b:sad

    For pve, weakest defensively, maybe wizard. Slowest killer, maybe cleric.

    Barbs are the slowest killers. Clerics are pretty much among the fastest if you can afford pots/powders/charms.b:victory
  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Barbs are the slowest killers. Clerics are pretty much among the fastest if you can afford pots/powders/charms.b:victory

    When lev 90's put out thier opinions, perhaps a bit more weight should be given.
  • XAsch - Sanctuary
    XAsch - Sanctuary Posts: 855 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Venomancer's! cause their Phoenix is so dang weak!

    Next.. Archer's. Since when does an arrow in the **** hurt more then getting hit by a huge fireball?

    Weakest at tanking hits.. Barbarian. Their mdef is sooooo low it's laughable.

    I think.... they're all equally as weak as eachother!
  • Friction - Lost City
    Friction - Lost City Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Wizards are pretty much the weakest.
    Why?
    Because i am a 70+ wizard so i am allowed to say that lol.
    It comes down to this essentially.
    The damage to channel/cast time ratio is effed up.
    For the amount of time it takes to fire off a "powerful" skill, the damage should make people want to defecate in their pants.
    And it simply doesnt.

    Also, considering how squishy we are?...the damage should definitely be higher. I dont mind being squishy, but usually damage makes up for it (at least for mages in other games).
    People say, yea, but your magic defense is through the roof!.....
    Well, what good does that do when every other class has a means of hitting with a physical attack?

    I know im only 70, and yes i am full magic. (LA simply doesnt fit the true mage build). I think my damage is decent...but nothing special.

    Now, i understand all of this changes at 99+ for mages.....but lets face it, 99 out of 100 people will never get that far. Especially with the hardest class to level (arguably).

    Personally, i think PWE knows the love for a "mage" type build in online games, and they didnt want everyone and their mother (literally) rolling a mage for damage purposes.
    They chose archers for that instead. lol
  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Barbs are the slowest killers. Clerics are pretty much among the fastest if you can afford pots/powders/charms.b:victory
    I said such because majority of clerics go vit build, or support(8-10 shotting same level mobs ftl) Unless you are pure mag, its not as fast as you claimed, though I did forget completely about barbs lol.(though I dont think they are as slow as people think, specially in higher levels)
  • Chocooo - Lost City
    Chocooo - Lost City Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Wizards.
    You know something is wrong when Cleric's skills have the same damage (for starter skills), and nearly the same damage (ultimate / wield thunder) yet Clerics have buffs and can heal themselves.

    Either tone down the cleric's skill damage, or raise the mage's.
    Its ridiculous that Pyrogram, Gush are simply animation switches of Plume Shot and Cyclone. (And even more ridiculous that Plume shot is physical where as pyrogram is magic).

    You probably could have gotten away with just giving a cleric pyrogram and gush.
  • Friction - Lost City
    Friction - Lost City Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Chocooo - Lost City wrote: »
    Wizards.
    You know something is wrong when Cleric's skills have the same damage (for starter skills), and nearly the same damage (ultimate / wield thunder) yet Clerics have buffs and can heal themselves.

    Either tone down the cleric's skill damage, or raise the mage's.
    Its ridiculous that Pyrogram, Gush are simply animation switches of Plume Shot and Cyclone. (And even more ridiculous that Plume shot is physical where as pyrogram is magic).

    You probably could have gotten away with just giving a cleric pyrogram and gush.

    Couldn't agree more.
    Wizards honestly need their own magic attack buff that stacks with clerics, to set them apart from clerics.
  • XAsch - Sanctuary
    XAsch - Sanctuary Posts: 855 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Hm? I know Wizards who tick my charm 1 shot o.O with HP buffs on even.
  • Obsessed - Heavens Tear
    Obsessed - Heavens Tear Posts: 670 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    XAsch - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hm? I know Wizards who tick my charm 1 shot o.O with HP buffs on even.
    This. QQ OP Wizzys.
  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    XAsch - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hm? I know Wizards who tick my charm 1 shot o.O with HP buffs on even.

    Then you stun them and gobble them up? MMMM Wizzy bites!

    Wiz is all about spike dmg. And Mag dmg. A guaranteed pain for BM\Barb. since your defence against mag is poor. But at lev 89, those wizzies have to be awfully high level just to scratch you?
  • Senyo - Heavens Tear
    Senyo - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Friction - Lost City wrote: »
    Wizards honestly need their own magic attack buff that stacks with clerics, to set them apart from clerics.

    I'm sorry, but that's just BS. How would giving Wizards a Magic attack buff like the clerics set them apart? it would make them more similar!!

    As a cleric I'm bored of the limited attack skills I have. I wouldn't mind some different elements, and I definitely wouldn't mind a skill giving me +100% Physical defense of equipment value instead of a skill that lasts 20 seconds and just drains my charm over that period. it's not even usable without a charm (btw. I'm talking about plume shell). Yes it keeps me alive for a while, but duels just prove how much MP it drains.

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