Where does the damage come from?

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If that's true, then ecatomb is wrong, and Annor's Guide and the Newbie's Guide sticky on this forum need to be updated. I can't log in right now but I think the skill description states that it is applied to the Metal Resistance, not their physical defense.



I think this agrees with what I am saying. Regardless of the numerical value of your Metal Resistance, it gets converted to some percentage. You state that it never reaches 100%, so that means metal resistance goes from 0% to 99.999999999%.

So we call your Metal Resistance MR, which is the number that gets added to with your equipment's resistances and such.

We definte your resulting resist percentage as P. You state P never reaches 100%, so it's range goes from 0% to 99.999999999999999%. (Let's ignore the cases where it goes below 0%.)

So there is some black box function, called f(), that takes MR as input, and returns a percent P. So f(MR) returns P, where P ranges from 0% to almost 100%.

Thundershock is applied to P, completely irrelevant to what MR is. Even if a creature's MR is 4,294,967,295 (unsigned 32-bit integer), that will be converted to some percentage P. For a metal-immune creature, that percentage might just be 100%. Then, if you apply Thundershock's debuff to P (not MR), you get a metal-immune monster that can be hurt by electric attacks.

i finally understand quantum physics b:thanks

Ah, my apologies. When I read "absolute defence", I thought you mean physical defense.

This would be fairly trivial to test. Have a duel, and just fire off 1 Thundershock. Observe the values of the MR value and % before and after.

Try with and without armor / equipment.

Put the numbers up, and I'm certain the skills I acquired in high school and college will allow me to fudge the math and logic so that I am correct

In some games, it is not uncommon to see an immune become vulnerable. An example would be Diablo 2 where the lightning sorc with properly equipped gear shreds lightning "immunes" to pieces.

My input would be similar to what Elenacostel mentioned. It would not be unreasonable to hypothesise that the monster's immunity is not actually "infinite". While it may have a large absolute resistence value, once operated on by the percentage operator, this number will fall between 0<x<100 with both the upper and lower bounds as asymptotes (except truncation).

My understanding/guess re:thunder shock would be that it affects the absolute resistence value. Astrelle, the absolute values and the percentage negation are not linear, therefore you cannot directly correlate them as you have in your post.

For example 2000 absolute metal resistence may mean 40% metal reduction, but 4000 absolute metal resistence is nowhere near 80% metal reduction. Likewise using your two questions for example, you say that:

"... (say the target's metal % resist is 52%), does a 50% metal debuff take it down to 2% (52% - 50%) or to 26% (52%*50%)?"

It would be neither because the skill affects the absolute value, not percentage re: 52%-50%, nor will it be 26%.

Atleast that's what I think so anyway. I have also read on a chinese archer guide that the -resistence only applies to "equipment" resistences, but that will complicate a lot of things (we all know PWI won't put that much effort into calculations xD) and I prefer elegant solutions.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thundershock reduces Metal resistance, right? So if the monster had an immunity of 100%, and Thundershock removes 23% (at level 1), then you can do 23% of your damage.

This is assuming that the debuff is applied prior to your damage, which I think is something that could reasonably be true.

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