lack of spirit?

i dont think there is anything wrong with the sprit levels, i currently have 2mill sprit, and ive always been short on coins not sprit points

I also find that Spirit is a problem. I have plenty of coin to buy my skills especially if I grind a bit but Spirit comes very slow even while ignoring some of my skills I still cannot buy up the base ones as they become available.

I agree that we should be able to buy spirit for coins from an NPC or something. I too run on a lack of spirit points to get all the skills I need.

I like the idea of selling spirit from PCs, like in a cat-shop or trade, though I think it would be most logical if we could convert our spirit into items, like a gem of some kind, that could then be sold and converted back by another. Go to an NPC to do so.

I also like the idea of an XP lock.

Lastly, something like the Daily Quests, but more spirit-centered than XP centered would also be nice.

I think the lack of spirit makes it more challenging :P During the lvls 29 to 45, I really had to focus on the main skills and the pages of learnable skills just exploded.
Erethizon sais it lasts to lvl 60, but right now (lvl57) I'm already starting to slowly reduce the pages at the trainer. My first skills were maxed out between 50 and 55, and I have a bit more spirit on each lvl (first it was 1 skill a lvl, now it's +/- 3 skills each 2lvls).

I know it can be frustrating at times, but the lack of spirit is quite challenging. This is what makes you focus on 1 specific build.

At higher levels you will find you have a surplus of spirit. Just because a skill is available for upgrading doesn't mean you have to go and get it.

I used to get new skills just cause i could but as time has gone on i find that i only use half off of them since some are just plain useless, I think their should be a reset system like with skill points. This will refund spirit and coin,

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Top 5? More like top 2 at best. After grinding through a couple quests and 2,000 monsters (Not joking either, 2,000) I can barely scrape together enough SP to buy one lower costing skill. Considering this is the time when you are getting the most new skills and need them to keep up with the Mobs it would seem much more logical to give the most SP now rather than later. To even out the distribution so high level characters do not feel like they are sitting on their SP while lower level characters do not feel like they can never upgrade their skills.

Another way to fix this would be to make a new Trainer for the Botique designed to increase SP gain from monsters to double what it currently is.

I know that from levels 26 to 50 I had enough spirit to keep the 3 skills I used most leveled and I ignored all the rest for all of those levels. Since one of those 3 skills was extremely expensive (Celestial Guardian's Seal for my cleric, which costs several times more spirit than any other skill at that level) I assumed that most people could keep about 5 skills raised in total, assuming they picked skills with a more reasonable spirit cost. If you are only able to raise two then they must be some really expensive skills.

Note: I am including the big chunks of spirit you get for spiritual cultivation as part of the pool you use to keep these few skills capped during those levels.

And I should probably point out, that the best skills tend to be the low level ones. All the 50+ skills have really disappointed me. Higher level attacks tend to be less mana efficient and do not do that much more damage (maybe 60% more than a maxed low level skill, but have 3 times the mp cost). Having a bunch of interesting skills that I let lag behind kept the 50's interesting since I got to spend those levels raising up a lot of relatively inexpensive skills that were actually useful. Now that I am 75 I find that every skill I have left is something I will rarely if ever use and it feels like a waste of money to even bother raising them.

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...it would seem much more logical to give the most SP now rather than later. To even out the distribution so high level characters do not feel like they are sitting on their SP while lower level characters do not feel like they can never upgrade their skills.

If this was implemented, then why bother having the concept of Spirit in the game at all -- just remove it. At least now you have an incentive to level up.

Also, I'm rather amused you and the OP are showing concern about Spirit when venomancers have relatively few 'must have' skills for levelling up. If you play mage, you only really need Venomous and Ironwood at max to do well. Metabolic Boost and Nature's Grace, while nice to have them at a high percentage, aren't necessities. I'm around level 60's and I haven't upgraded them since I was level 40 or so.

Coin is a more precious resource than Spirit, trust me.

erethizon1 wrote: »

They are all fine suggestions and I would support any of them, but you will find that spirit stops being a problem once you hit level 60+.

I think I should disagree with you here.

b:mischievous

Uriafire - Lost City wrote: »

well alll of you high lvls are lucky but low lvls like us (expesacally clerics) will have a hard time not only getting the spirit but also getting lvled up considering how we're usually just the suport group. ive just been doing easy quest and some difficult ones with my freinds to try and earn spirit but i always seem to come up short, the only quest i can think of to give you a desent amount are the spirit cultivations(and only a select few) and the daily quest. but im still strugling with spirit and i probably still will be even after lvl 60

As a cleric the only spells you really need capped are plume shot and great cyclone (assuming you get a lot of stuff done solo like most people in this game do).

Ironheart blessing should be kept up but it does not need to be capped. If you find that you are not able to keep the tank healed during a boss fight then you let ironheart get too low, but as long as the tank is doing fine it does not matter if your ironheart is maxed or not.

Feel free to ignore revive. The most important part of revive is the ability to get your party going again by not making anyone have to go back to town. The extra experience is just a bonus and is not really a big deal during those low levels where getting experience is really quite easy. When you get to 60+ you will want to raise it, but until then it really is not necessary (I am sure the non-clerics will tell you differently, but that is just because they want extra experience back not because it is truly important).

All your extra spirit can go into whichever buffs you feel are most important. There are no right or wrong choices (though many people have an opinion that they feel is the right one).

I know it is hard to pass up leveling skills that feel so important (I know I really wished I had more spirit and did not even care if I died during those levels because it allowed my spirit to catch up), but once you get used to only raising a few skills and ignoring all the others it does not feel so bad. You really will have plently of spirit to raise all of those important skills as you keep gaining levels. It is just the next 10 to 20 levels that things will continue to be tight for you.

Later on you'll find you'll struggle to afford spell upgrades in terms of money and have excessive SP.

Uriafire - Lost City wrote: »

well alll of you high lvls are lucky but low lvls like us (expesacally clerics) will have a hard time not only getting the spirit but also getting lvled up considering how we're usually just the suport group. ive just been doing easy quest and some difficult ones with my freinds to try and earn spirit but i always seem to come up short, the only quest i can think of to give you a desent amount are the spirit cultivations(and only a select few) and the daily quest. but im still strugling with spirit and i probably still will be even after lvl 60

yes because those darn high levels acutally started the game at lvl 7x!b:shutup

This seems to work for me:

Do all your quests available to your level. Then instead of grinding on the same monsters to level, just go kill light green named monsters. I know both spirit and exp is reduced for these, but I believe the exp is reduced more. I always am like 10k-15k short on spirit with like 20-30% exp left to get. But by the time I level I have enough to upgrade all important skills in my build, and a little to start on the next level. I'm sure it will get tought lvl 30-40 and so on because I will be learning skills for the first time, upgrading older skills so not only does the cost of the spirit go up, it is compounded by the fact that new skills are still popping up. I see no reasont to die to lose exp just to gain spirit. Thats like taking 2 steps back to move one step forward. How the hell do you get anywhere? The skills don't go away. You can learn a lvl 29 skill at lvl 30, its okay, I won't report you.

Also on a side, I'm glad people are big enough to admit taht the lvl 1 revive is better than nothing.

well, all those who see the lack of spirit, dont worry, lvl up the skills you can and you need, in my case i had all the skills that i liked to current lvl and the others to lvl 1.

theres no need to get your tank build up at lvl 10, neither its necesary to max all the skills as soon as you have them.

what is necesary, its MONEY, that word, it hurts to my inv just to think on lvl skills, currently, i have 390k spirit, and 600k, you know whats that money enough???

lets do some math b:shocked

... umm roar of the pride

cost to lvl 10= 200k money, 100k~ spirit
relatively low lvl skill (when you learn it)

Atmos Strike

cost to lvl 5= 270k~ money 200k~ spirit
med skill

Myriad sword stance

cost to lvl 4= 250k~ money 200k~ spirit
high skill

... so, add repairs, charms if you use, armors..... and b:shocked b:shocked

theres no lack of spirit, theres just enough to keep while you lvl, and as someone said: the apprentice of all, is master of nothing

on other things, theres lack of money T.T

Best solution-
Not to raise the amount of spirit points in the game, but rather to lower the amount needed.
Im a lvl 38 archer, and I have about 10 skills that are available for leveling. About 4 of them I never touch (Quickshot, Vicious arrow, Take Aim, Knockback)
The remaining 6 skills are either essential or "pace" skills, and each one needs~17k spirit and ~20k coins (except winged pledge-23k spirit , forgot amount of coins)

So together thats ~102k spirit needed, right now I have 12k spirit. And with my FB39 coming up in one level Im gonna be able to get a whole lot more skills which will need levelling as well.

By the way, I havent actually counted the amount of spirit I need exactly for each one, I just remember that the most common number was 17k for spirit and 22k (i think) for coins.