are we elf archer usless???

I was thinking like this too..sometimes, but everyone who does FBs or HHs(mostly HHs) without an Archer is a complete idiot. Sharptooth makes live so much easier. And the reason for people shouting for barbs venos clerics more often is that archers have "nearly" no expense doing FBs or HHs since they basically only shoot arrows, while barbs and clerics use their hieros often(venos often do solo stuff without much hiero use if they have a herc).

I'd also like to add that there are WAY more archers than barbs or clerics for example.

Sharptooth won't prevent a wipe. It just helps you kill faster. Archers have like.... a speed buff. That's about it for their usefullness in groups. We still do better than mages though, at least we got sharptooth, mages only have dmg.

@ TW, O_O we own all b:laughb:laughb:pleased

mbrunestud wrote: »

sharpened tooth comes up at lvl 49...and even after that low lvl sharpened tooth often is not much consideration when ppl decide squads for fb's. just not as vital to a group as barb/veno/clerics.

i dont know, i do feel useless as a faction mate sometimes. when a faction member needs help with a boss, it doesn't matter if im available or not, cleric + barb, no exceptions. its kind of funny

wizards r loved cuz they make delicious sparkles appear on ur hands

no wizards are not loved not at all..

as a wizard I was kicked out of squads for other classes to join encluding archer it was a horrible experince as a wizard that I really hope no one goes through it..

@Mosa
lols i was kidding about that part, i just like the frostblade buff.

im not going to pretend wizards have it any better than archers, but whoever kicked u out of a squad is an **** and im sorry u went through that

Aside from doling out severe amounts of pain to the Wraiths, I have found another useful role within a squad.

If the forefront warrior dies, the Wraith often goes for the healer. At this point, I attack the Wraith with all my might while yelling at the rest of the squad to run away. I cast Winged Shell before the Wraith reaches me, so usually I can delay it long enough for my squad to run to safety.

I die, so that my teammates can live.

I believe that I have saved several of my squads from total elimination in this manner, as well as several healers in particular. Considering the number of times a healer has helped me reincarnate, I consider this role to be a form of compensation.

Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to advertise this when assembling a squad. Perhaps:

"TT1-1 group looking for cleric. Archer WDFC (Will Die For Cleric)."

Go to a legion attack and people will be inviting you left and right xD

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Aside from doling out severe amounts of pain to the Wraiths, I have found another useful role within a squad.

If the forefront warrior dies, the Wraith often goes for the healer. At this point, I attack the Wraith with all my might while yelling at the rest of the squad to run away. I cast Winged Shell before the Wraith reaches me, so usually I can delay it long enough for my squad to run to safety.

I die, so that my teammates can live.

I believe that I have saved several of my squads from total elimination in this manner, as well as several healers in particular. Considering the number of times a healer has helped me reincarnate, I consider this role to be a form of compensation.

Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to advertise this when assembling a squad. Perhaps:

"TT1-1 group looking for cleric. Archer WDFC (Will Die For Cleric)."

in dungeons people (anyone) is supposed to give their life to save the cleric. the cleric can bring ppl back, the other classes cant lol.

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

TBH

You guys are too good. In FB's, they always tell the archer not to attack, since he can steal agro and as consecuense everything could go wrong.

i've attacked in fb19's and fb29 with my moonlight archer and didnt get agro on myself. i would imagine it just depends on how good the barb and veno's magmite is at keeping agro.

but i have drawn agro on myself by healing in those fb's with my cleric thats about the same lvl... go figure. lol

and to answer the question of the OP, we archers are damage dealers. the tanks might be able to keep agro on themselves but they're definitely not the fastest killers. thats where DD's like ourselves come in. let the mob's HP get down to a certain point (it varies) and light it up, no agro on us and the mob dies tons faster.

At one point I believed archers was the most useless class in the game until this cleric came and told me I was wrong. He told me that mage was most useless and archers with sharptooth is helpful in HH. Now instead of thinking my class is useless... I think my archer is useless because I haven't obtained the skill sharptooth.

born2lead wrote: »

i am a noob so yeah, but what the hell is aggro ;o? (i can't contribute to OP since I have no clue, but yeah, curious when i read this thread...)

hmm how should i explain..if you have the aggro of a mob it goes after you b:chuckle

Suiryujin - Sanctuary wrote: »

puller = veno

Were Venos suppose to be pulers or it's only a usefull glitch?

It's not that your class is useless per say.

It's just that a tank is vital.
A healer is vital.
A puller is less vital yet makes everything smoother.

The rest are dpsers. And well... Nearly everyone can dps and every easy mode players are dpsers. Therefore there are too many of you and little spots available. It's the same for every single mmo.

Do you bring something to a group? Sure. Everyone does. Are you vital to a group? God no.

Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Some hope for the DD's out there. There are bosses that require you kill them in X time or the party is insta-killed. I think TT 3-1 has one such (don't quote me, its been a while since I was told.)
Also in other TT's in squad mode when bosses have millions of hitpoints 15% of the top is a real money saver\time saver. Same for world bosses.
DD's are the kings of PK and TW. Though, with the glitched pheonix bleed this is often times questionable. (This last piece is not meant as inflamatory, please do not persue it in that way.)

aye 16% is a lot on TT and world bosses, the timed boss, well hercs can replace archers, but yet again 16% is a lot
yah in 3-1 there is a timed boss (4 minutes i believe) he does have less hp then other bosses, so a full squad can quite easily kill him, alternatley 2 hercs a cleric and an archer can too, 3 hercs and a cleric might, not sure, depends a bit on levels
in TW/PK archers are awesome, but every class can be if you play its strengths
we only bring more to a group argueably then a wizard
in a fb/tt setting lets say:
barb-vital tank
bm-pdef buff and grab a 2nd aggro
cleric-heal of course/BB/RB
veno-lure, grab additional aggro, pets ar every high DD on lvl 150 bosses,and have some nice debuffs
wiz-expensive to DD cause of their mana use
archer-sharptooth on bosses, stun on mobs if extra aggros(with range we are best suited to save a cleric if they get aggro i guess), and well overall kill stuff fast