are we elf archer usless???

wuxinnan
wuxinnan Posts: 2 Arc User
edited April 2009 in Archer
dont get me wrong i love and proud to be an elf archer but it seems there are more favorable class in terms of group parties, boss battles, and etc. why i say this well it seems that when people shout out in the world chat they are always looking for veno or barbs or clerics but no elf archer!!! i want to party too...lol
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  • Link - Lost City
    Link - Lost City Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I was thinking like this too..sometimes, but everyone who does FBs or HHs(mostly HHs) without an Archer is a complete idiot. Sharptooth makes live so much easier. And the reason for people shouting for barbs venos clerics more often is that archers have "nearly" no expense doing FBs or HHs since they basically only shoot arrows, while barbs and clerics use their hieros often(venos often do solo stuff without much hiero use if they have a herc).

    I'd also like to add that there are WAY more archers than barbs or clerics for example.
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  • wuxinnan
    wuxinnan Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    its funny how you mention about the fb and bosses...last night my entire party got wiped out and we went running with our tails between our legs...thx for the input i feel a bit better :D
  • Torinchibi - Lost City
    Torinchibi - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Sharptooth won't prevent a wipe. It just helps you kill faster. Archers have like.... a speed buff. That's about it for their usefullness in groups. We still do better than mages though, at least we got sharptooth, mages only have dmg.
  • Annor - Heavens Tear
    Annor - Heavens Tear Posts: 330 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    For difficult content (where pet pulling is required), your basic squad will often need:
    1 Barbarian
    1 Venomancer
    2 Clerics

    That does eat up most of your spots, but in my experience an archer is as popular as any other class for the remaining DD positions. Just don't go afk, fall asleep or pull aggro if you want those regular invites. Buffs and sharptooths aside (these are often minor considerations), squads want reliable people who don't pull aggro.
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  • wuxinnan
    wuxinnan Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    how are we in territory wars?
  • Angel - Harshlands
    Angel - Harshlands Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    great in war.
    snipe robes, etc.
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  • Picexplorer - Heavens Tear
    Picexplorer - Heavens Tear Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    @ TW, O_O we own all b:laughb:laughb:pleased
  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    sharpened tooth comes up at lvl 49...and even after that low lvl sharpened tooth often is not much consideration when ppl decide squads for fb's. just not as vital to a group as barb/veno/clerics.

    i dont know, i do feel useless as a faction mate sometimes. when a faction member needs help with a boss, it doesn't matter if im available or not, cleric + barb, no exceptions. its kind of funny

    wizards r loved cuz they make delicious sparkles appear on ur hands
  • Mosa - Harshlands
    Mosa - Harshlands Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    mbrunestud wrote: »
    sharpened tooth comes up at lvl 49...and even after that low lvl sharpened tooth often is not much consideration when ppl decide squads for fb's. just not as vital to a group as barb/veno/clerics.

    i dont know, i do feel useless as a faction mate sometimes. when a faction member needs help with a boss, it doesn't matter if im available or not, cleric + barb, no exceptions. its kind of funny

    wizards r loved cuz they make delicious sparkles appear on ur hands

    no wizards are not loved not at all..

    as a wizard I was kicked out of squads for other classes to join encluding archer it was a horrible experince as a wizard that I really hope no one goes through it..
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  • Chaotiic - Lost City
    Chaotiic - Lost City Posts: 498 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    People shout for cleics barbs and venos because they are hard to get.

    Venos although there are many of them cannot afk in hh or on bosses like all other classes so they are less likely to help out with these thus mostly you wont have one and will need to shout for one.

    Barbs get high repair bills and possibly use a lot of hp heiros in hh/fb/bosses so they wont want to help and less people willing to help means you're usually short.

    Clerics use mp heiros watever they do so are unlikely to want to waste money helping people so once again you're unlikely to get one and will need to shout for one.

    Archers we lose virtually no money and can afk for most bosses so its no sweat off our backs. More archers are willing to help thus not as hard to find one and no need to world shout or ask for one in guild chat.
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  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    @Mosa
    lols i was kidding about that part, i just like the frostblade buff.

    im not going to pretend wizards have it any better than archers, but whoever kicked u out of a squad is an **** and im sorry u went through that
  • XXOGCaliXx - Heavens Tear
    XXOGCaliXx - Heavens Tear Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    try being a bm, nobody asks u to do anything, at least ur a dd
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Aside from doling out severe amounts of pain to the Wraiths, I have found another useful role within a squad.

    If the forefront warrior dies, the Wraith often goes for the healer. At this point, I attack the Wraith with all my might while yelling at the rest of the squad to run away. I cast Winged Shell before the Wraith reaches me, so usually I can delay it long enough for my squad to run to safety.

    I die, so that my teammates can live.

    I believe that I have saved several of my squads from total elimination in this manner, as well as several healers in particular. Considering the number of times a healer has helped me reincarnate, I consider this role to be a form of compensation.

    Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to advertise this when assembling a squad. Perhaps:

    "TT1-1 group looking for cleric. Archer WDFC (Will Die For Cleric)."
  • Seablue - Sanctuary
    Seablue - Sanctuary Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    XXOGCaliXx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    try being a bm, nobody asks u to do anything, at least ur a dd

    *nod* I have only seen one group that ask for bm and that's only because the barb want my buff.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Go to a legion attack and people will be inviting you left and right xD
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    TBH

    You guys are too good. In FB's, they always tell the archer not to attack, since he can steal agro and as consecuense everything could go wrong.
  • xxxdsmer
    xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Aside from doling out severe amounts of pain to the Wraiths, I have found another useful role within a squad.

    If the forefront warrior dies, the Wraith often goes for the healer. At this point, I attack the Wraith with all my might while yelling at the rest of the squad to run away. I cast Winged Shell before the Wraith reaches me, so usually I can delay it long enough for my squad to run to safety.

    I die, so that my teammates can live.

    I believe that I have saved several of my squads from total elimination in this manner, as well as several healers in particular. Considering the number of times a healer has helped me reincarnate, I consider this role to be a form of compensation.

    Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to advertise this when assembling a squad. Perhaps:

    "TT1-1 group looking for cleric. Archer WDFC (Will Die For Cleric)."

    in dungeons people (anyone) is supposed to give their life to save the cleric. the cleric can bring ppl back, the other classes cant lol.
    Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »
    TBH

    You guys are too good. In FB's, they always tell the archer not to attack, since he can steal agro and as consecuense everything could go wrong.

    i've attacked in fb19's and fb29 with my moonlight archer and didnt get agro on myself. i would imagine it just depends on how good the barb and veno's magmite is at keeping agro.

    but i have drawn agro on myself by healing in those fb's with my cleric thats about the same lvl... go figure. lol

    and to answer the question of the OP, we archers are damage dealers. the tanks might be able to keep agro on themselves but they're definitely not the fastest killers. thats where DD's like ourselves come in. let the mob's HP get down to a certain point (it varies) and light it up, no agro on us and the mob dies tons faster.
    i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
    but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
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  • rugal
    rugal Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I feel your pain. I think the only thing we're very good for is zhen. Vs bosses, most of the time we cant even auto atk without stealing agro, because of random crits. It really sucks that we cant go all out and use spark eruption to really mow down bosses. Sharptooth is a joke. It costs so much and levels 1.5% per level. Even at lv 10 its just 15%, and thats at lv 85! And it costs 3 080 000 coin!When youre in your 60s itll only do about 8.5%- 10%, hardly worth it to finish the boss 10-15 sec sooner.
  • Viriilink - Lost City
    Viriilink - Lost City Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    At one point I believed archers was the most useless class in the game until this cleric came and told me I was wrong. He told me that mage was most useless and archers with sharptooth is helpful in HH. Now instead of thinking my class is useless... I think my archer is useless because I haven't obtained the skill sharptooth.
  • born2lead
    born2lead Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i am a noob so yeah, but what the hell is aggro ;o? (i can't contribute to OP since I have no clue, but yeah, curious when i read this thread...)
  • Link - Lost City
    Link - Lost City Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    born2lead wrote: »
    i am a noob so yeah, but what the hell is aggro ;o? (i can't contribute to OP since I have no clue, but yeah, curious when i read this thread...)

    hmm how should i explain..if you have the aggro of a mob it goes after you b:chuckle
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  • Suiryujin - Sanctuary
    Suiryujin - Sanctuary Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    its a simple thing. which elements are essential for a dungeon run? a tank, a healer, a puller
    tank = barb
    healer = cleric
    puller = veno
    now anything else is extra, if they want it they will ask for it or just grab some random friend, its not essential, doesnt need some very high lvl at all. extra dmg is just that, extra, if u want to go fast, find they will get an archer/wizard, but usually its just not worth wasting a tele on because u can find one from your faction/friends easily enough.
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Suiryujin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    puller = veno

    Were Venos suppose to be pulers or it's only a usefull glitch?
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  • drag0nball
    drag0nball Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mosa - Harshlands wrote: »
    no wizards are not loved not at all..

    as a wizard I was kicked out of squads for other classes to join encluding archer it was a horrible experince as a wizard that I really hope no one goes through it..

    Well if thisis true than it mean sthe squad leader is a nooob player...true wizards are nt loved but when they ask me for zhen and other Pk stuff than I say no, bc they ignored me in FB-s...
    They are not loved but if you hit lvl 100+ I think only than would love wizards...btu then the wizard can be bad because he was kicked here and there and now his turn to kick and charge:)
  • wuxinnan
    wuxinnan Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    just out of curiousity can an archer ever solo an fb...say an archer at lvl 100 what is the highest fb he/she could do by themselves?
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Were Venos suppose to be pulers or it's only a usefull glitch?

    It's not a GLITCH per se.

    It's actually a technicality that venos can abuse using their pets.

    Aggro range is increased after you hit a mob, where as "aggro distance" is much smaller. By attacking the mob with a pet, the veno puts herself in an aggro-ed state with the ONE mob she hit. When she unsummons her pet, the one she hit, which is angry, "sees" her and goes for her, whereas the mobs who weren't hit aren't angry any more because their walk-in aggro range is much smaller.
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  • isab
    isab Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    It's not that your class is useless per say.

    It's just that a tank is vital.
    A healer is vital.
    A puller is less vital yet makes everything smoother.

    The rest are dpsers. And well... Nearly everyone can dps and every easy mode players are dpsers. Therefore there are too many of you and little spots available. It's the same for every single mmo.

    Do you bring something to a group? Sure. Everyone does. Are you vital to a group? God no.
  • Rule - Heavens Tear
    Rule - Heavens Tear Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Some hope for the DD's out there. There are bosses that require you kill them in X time or the party is insta-killed. I think TT 3-1 has one such (don't quote me, its been a while since I was told.)
    Also in other TT's in squad mode when bosses have millions of hitpoints 15% of the top is a real money saver\time saver. Same for world bosses.
    DD's are the kings of PK and TW. Though, with the glitched pheonix bleed this is often times questionable. (This last piece is not meant as inflamatory, please do not persue it in that way.)
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Rule - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Some hope for the DD's out there. There are bosses that require you kill them in X time or the party is insta-killed. I think TT 3-1 has one such (don't quote me, its been a while since I was told.)
    Also in other TT's in squad mode when bosses have millions of hitpoints 15% of the top is a real money saver\time saver. Same for world bosses.
    DD's are the kings of PK and TW. Though, with the glitched pheonix bleed this is often times questionable. (This last piece is not meant as inflamatory, please do not persue it in that way.)

    aye 16% is a lot on TT and world bosses, the timed boss, well hercs can replace archers, but yet again 16% is a lot
    yah in 3-1 there is a timed boss (4 minutes i believe) he does have less hp then other bosses, so a full squad can quite easily kill him, alternatley 2 hercs a cleric and an archer can too, 3 hercs and a cleric might, not sure, depends a bit on levels
    in TW/PK archers are awesome, but every class can be if you play its strengths
    we only bring more to a group argueably then a wizard
    in a fb/tt setting lets say:
    barb-vital tank
    bm-pdef buff and grab a 2nd aggro
    cleric-heal of course/BB/RB
    veno-lure, grab additional aggro, pets ar every high DD on lvl 150 bosses,and have some nice debuffs
    wiz-expensive to DD cause of their mana use
    archer-sharptooth on bosses, stun on mobs if extra aggros(with range we are best suited to save a cleric if they get aggro i guess), and well overall kill stuff fast
  • Keroman - Heavens Tear
    Keroman - Heavens Tear Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    wuxinnan wrote: »
    just out of curiousity can an archer ever solo an fb...say an archer at lvl 100 what is the highest fb he/she could do by themselves?

    Well, at 67 I can do 19 easy.. 29 is a little more difficult. I can do the mobs for 39 easy, but the bosses would probably take me down without a cleric.
    Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    archer - stun on mobs if extra aggros(with range we are best suited to save a cleric if they get aggro)

    Done plenty of that. Good idea if you want to have that cleric come with you next time.

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