Evasion Needs to EVADE Magic Too!

Blazereborn - Sanctuary
Blazereborn - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
edited March 2009 in General Discussion
Topic. From what I've come to understand both in game and on the forums evasion is just for physical attacks. Well if you can evade a sword, spear, or any physical object you can sure as hell evade a green flying ball.

My two gold.

Evasion needs to apply to all forms of attacks. PERIOD
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  • Sigr - Heavens Tear
    Sigr - Heavens Tear Posts: 280 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Blazereborn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Topic. From what I've come to understand both in game and on the forums evasion is just for physical attacks. Well if you can evade a sword, spear, or any physical object you can sure as hell evade a green flying ball.

    My two gold.

    Evasion needs to apply to all forms of attacks. PERIOD

    Magic defies your ability to dodge attacks 'cause it's, like, magic!
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  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    k. lol.

    That would make archers a tad OP don't you think. Oh but wait BMs get more evasion per dex point than archers...
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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Sigr - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Magic defies your ability to dodge attacks 'cause it's, like, magic!

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  • mbrunestud
    mbrunestud Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i dont think so. magic takes a much longer time to channel than attacks, u miss a physical attack, u can attack again within a second, u miss a magic attack and its fatal.

    lols while bms get more dodge per dex no bm goes pure dex like archers
  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    mbrunestud wrote: »
    lols while bms get more dodge per dex no pm goes pure dex like archers

    If the OP got his wish then you'd see many dex built BMs around I'm sure. And considering the OP's avatar is a BM, i'm sure that would be his plan.
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  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Sure, give us an extra crit % per every 20 int and you can have your chance of evading :p
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  • Sophia - Harshlands
    Sophia - Harshlands Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sure, give us an extra crit % per every 20 int and you can have your chance of evading :p
    Every 10 int would be even better b:cute
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  • IronCleric - Sanctuary
    IronCleric - Sanctuary Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    LMFAO LOL ROFL

    No.
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  • Lyndura - Lost City
    Lyndura - Lost City Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    No.

    Blademasters and Archers would be overpowered.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »
    No.

    Blademasters and Archers would be overpowered.
    NERF THEM! *gets out pitchforks and torches in preparation for the lynch squads*

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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    NERF THEM! *gets out pitchforks and torches in preparation for the lynch squads*

    b:laugh b:laugh

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  • Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear
    Smexxyfox - Heavens Tear Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Actually in other mmo's int would raise your magic defense, and to dodge magic attacks you need a stat called "luck" which isnt implimented here.

    Sooo no.
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    How can magic miss z0mgb:shocked

    Sorry but no, my channeling is arrggh, and with a miss i am KO-ed.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How can magic miss z0mgb:shocked

    Sorry but no, my channeling is arrggh, and with a miss i am KO-ed.


    Some games do have a mechanic where spells do have a chance to actually miss. Like in DnD, you have to roll to hit with some targeted spells, at which point it becomes painfully obvious that the fire mage really can't hit the broad side of a barn, but he can miss and burn the party cleric to death instead.
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  • Oldbear - Sanctuary
    Oldbear - Sanctuary Posts: 486 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Blazereborn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Topic. From what I've come to understand both in game and on the forums evasion is just for physical attacks. Well if you can evade a sword, spear, or any physical object you can sure as hell evade a green flying ball.

    My two gold.

    Evasion needs to apply to all forms of attacks. PERIOD

    Why do you need to evade magic in the first place? (assuming we talk about regular mobs here) You're BM for cryin out loud - stun 'em and slash 'em!
  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Magic can be interupted, Melee attacks cannot.

    If Magic could miss, then they'd have to remove the ability to interupt it to rebalance it.

    That or allow melee attacks to be interupted (however that would work).
  • Inna - Heavens Tear
    Inna - Heavens Tear Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    It's not even about the balance of the game. It's the concept of a magic attack missing. From what I know, most games have it so magic never misses simply because you can't evade magic.
  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Berserk Mage Sword Please
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »
    No.

    Blademasters and Archers would be overpowered.

    To balance that we could half the casting time of wizards, double the attack power of clerics, and let venos duel-wield pets.b:chuckle
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  • Jrudora - Lost City
    Jrudora - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    To balance that we could half the casting time of wizards, double the attack power of clerics and mages, and let venos duel-wield pets.b:chuckle

    fixed.
    Don't gimp us anymore than they already do b:surrender
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Jrudora - Lost City wrote: »
    fixed.
    Don't gimp us anymore than they already do b:surrender

    Oh I don't know about that. My friend has a level 45 wizard and likes to brag about how he never even takes a hit when he grinds. They seem fine as they are.
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  • Blazereborn - Sanctuary
    Blazereborn - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Well lets just say this... magic hits harder then melee. Yes it takes longer to deliever but the damage compensates for it.

    We need to beable to evade magic. Even if the points we put in dex don't add up to the same evade level of melee combat.

    EDIT: also funny how all the magicians jump in to say "NONSENSE, ME MAGIK NEEDS NOT MISS"
  • Oldbear - Sanctuary
    Oldbear - Sanctuary Posts: 486 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Care to specify from who you want to evade so bad?
    with LV10 Roar you freeze everybody but bosses on their place for 6 seconds. plenty of time to fire your strongest shot whether it will be spark, double spark, combo of fast-channeling skills or whatever else you got. After 6 seconds are up you can always hit Aeolian Blade for some more stun

    And it usually is enough if you have it upgraded as far as your current level allows.

    Summary: BM can fight effectively with magic/physical mobs, full magic mobs, and magic class players IF they use FULLY all the skills that are given to us for preventing or countering magic attacks. No need to go and neuter the magicians.
  • _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary
    _Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary Posts: 993 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Blazereborn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well lets just say this... magic hits harder then melee. Yes it takes longer to deliever but the damage compensates for it.

    We need to beable to evade magic. Even if the points we put in dex don't add up to the same evade level of melee combat.

    EDIT: also funny how all the magicians jump in to say "NONSENSE, ME MAGIK NEEDS NOT MISS"

    Why dont you go play as a mage and try dueling any BM or barb same level or even a few below and see how good you do.

    All the bm's will do is stun you then proceed to interupt your spell. leaving you completely defenseless.
    That is why i quit playing as a mage
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  • Dar_Malkier - Lost City
    Dar_Malkier - Lost City Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Blazereborn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well lets just say this... magic hits harder then melee. Yes it takes longer to deliever but the damage compensates for it.

    Yes, it does take longer to cast and yes, it does pack more of a punch. However, as a BM, you should be able to tiger leap in during that long casting time, stun the robie, then start slashing away.
    Blazereborn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    We need to beable to evade magic. Even if the points we put in dex don't add up to the same evade level of melee combat.

    EDIT: also funny how all the magicians jump in to say "NONSENSE, ME MAGIK NEEDS NOT MISS"

    Well, I am a BM and I too say that no, thier magic doesn't need to miss. The whole point of magic is, well, that it's magic.....it's not some projectile flying through the air with the hopes that it will hit it's target. Magic is attuned to it's target and as such "magically" moves as it's target moves thereby eliminating any chance of a miss.
  • Picexplorer - Heavens Tear
    Picexplorer - Heavens Tear Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Sigr - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Magic defies your ability to dodge attacks 'cause it's, like, magic!
    LOL

    luk at other mmo, there is also a magic evasion buff or evasion tht evades both physical and magical hits

    @poster below u
    and plz dnt ask for stupid crits and stuff for u magic hitters..u magic hitters already hitting like our CRIT hit and also u have chance to get a critical on that magic attack.

    this game is already imbalanced with Veno's overpowered and this other buff already favouring magic hitters.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Blazereborn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well lets just say this... magic hits harder then melee. Yes it takes longer to deliever but the damage compensates for it.

    We need to beable to evade magic. Even if the points we put in dex don't add up to the same evade level of melee combat.

    EDIT: also funny how all the magicians jump in to say "NONSENSE, ME MAGIK NEEDS NOT MISS"

    I used to play a game where spells had a small percentage chance to miss on ANYTHING (mobs AND other players), and for a long time it wasn't possible to overcome that last 1% chance to miss (it was called spell hit rating), and it sucked when you were going after mobs that were higher level than you and your spells constantly missed because those mobs could tear a mage a new one if enough spells missed. There was this one quest I decided to tackle with named mobs that were +4 my mages level. Yeah, she died twice trying to finish it because half my spells MISSED.

    So, go play a mage in a game where your spells can actually miss, and then come back here and say that you should be able to dodge spells.
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  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    So, go play a mage in a game where your spells can actually miss, and then come back here and say that you should be able to dodge spells.

    I played an mmo before where you could dodge magic (and arrows) if you had quick reflexes. There were basically 2 kinds of attack spells, one to hit a moving target (spell went where they would be if they continued same speed, same direction); and one for a stationary target (spell hit where they were standing when you cast).

    It was a lot of fun, and made mage vs mage pvp great. If you were good at it you could keep dodging spells for quite a while.


    However, automatic evasion like you're talking about for PW would just **** over caster classes.
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  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Sorry double post but I had to reply to this idiot.
    Picexplorer - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    LOL

    luk at other mmo, there is also a magic evasion buff or evasion tht evades both physical and magical hits

    @poster below u
    and plz dnt ask for stupid crits and stuff for u magic hitters..u magic hitters already hitting like our CRIT hit and also u have chance to get a critical on that magic attack.

    this game is already imbalanced with Veno's overpowered and this other buff already favouring magic hitters.


    I'll just assume english isn't your first language and leave it at that.

    Archers hit plenty hard. Yes magic hits for around your crit damage, but you get a whole lot more attacks in than a caster. Also, magic does have a chance to crit, but most mages don't ahve anywhere near the crit % that an archer does(at level 80 an archer could break 15% pretty easy, 20% with gear whereas a mage would be about half that)

    Anyways, this post was from a BM. Learn how to use your skills and mages will barely be able to get a spell off to hit you. Between all the stuns you get, unless something misses me I usually don't cast more than 2-3 spells against a good warrior.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Since we're on the topic of allowing magic to miss, we need to have something to balance out the other classes to they aren't so overpowered after this.


    Archers: Given a dex cap of 100 and are no longer allowed to use projectile weapons when an opponent is more than 5 meters away.

    Cleric: Heal is now based on p.atk but they are no longer allowed to use weapons and have a strength cap of 17. In addition, all heals and buffs also have a chance to miss.

    Venomancer: Pet loyalty now determines whether or not the pet will listen to you or try to bite your head off. As loyalty and pet level increase, the pet will start finding smarter ways to kill your veno. Also, venos are no longer allowed to wear amours and any veno that does not waste at least 200k every 15 minutes will be automatically killed and will lose al items in inventory, storage, and their mailbox.

    Barbarian: Barb HP is now capped at 1000 and they must wear robes. They are also no longer allowed to use any physical attacks.

    Blademasters: All stuns can now be countered by having over 500 HP. As long as your opponent has that much HP, they will have an 80% base chance of resisting stun. Increasing HP greatly increases the chance of resistance.

    Wizard: The pretty blue ball is removed from the game. That's right, we're nerfing you guys even more.


    What do you guys think? Surely these ideas are perfect for making PW a truly balanced game in existence. b:chuckle

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