Archer Vs. Cleric

yeah i had a similar experience aswell...i am a level 23 archer and i fought a level 28 cleric...i knew i would lose but i never thought it would be that bad!! however, i then dueled a level 27, and i absoultely owned that cleric! so, from my experiences, i think it depends on their builds, and what skills they max out!

I'll have to agree with AngleSnipe. All the classes are different end-game.
But who has the advantage in a fight depends on the build, experience, intelligence, and use of skills by the player. In a fair fight (even levels, gear, etc.), I'm guessing it will come down to technique. I don't believe that any class is significantly over-powered in this game; each has their own strengths and weaknesses. It is your own adroitness and style when it comes to playing your character that defines how good you are.

It's all about strategy for example a common cleric stragegy against an archer would be:

Step 1) plume shell
Step 2) Chromatic seal
2) Chances are archers will use winged grace and resist the sleep, In that case a cleric would channel weild thunder - usually the damage resist ends after the channeling.
2) Or the archer shells - If they shell they will get slept, 1 shot removes the shell not very common.

Step 3) Sparking, If the archer Is slept then I choose not to spark I use normal attacks, why? because the sleep effect lasts 1-xx seconds meaning it could last even just 1 second so I save my spark for when the archer channels a stun In which I spark and resist the stun and try to finish them off quickly.
3) Sparking, If the archer is has not been slept, well In my experience when an archer stuns you, you may aswell say the duel is over, I always save my spark for when an archer does stunning arrow which I will try to resist the stun.
Normally I will either
Spark - then have the archer spark as well - that case I sleep the archer
wait for the archer to spark - sleep them (if winged grace in effect) I wait for them to do their first attack then I spark (to resist the attack) by then you could expect the sleep immunity from wings of grace to end - then sleep

Tips for beating an archer:
Get close, archers damaged are halved at point blank range.
Always have plume shell activated
Try to sneak In an ironheart blessing if you can, usually you won't be doing so - too much pressure-

I based this off what 6-10 duels with level 70+ archers a majority of which I won, there Is no 100% archer slaying tactic but there are ways to beat archers and if you play your cards right you will beat an archer easily, with that said same goes for archers.

Archers are a good PvP class and it takes skill, timing and experience.
When I was level 64 I beat lvl 77 archers and 75 archers but I would lose to a level 64 archer, which goes to show it is skill, archers can beat clerics and vice versa.

So to summarise this, Archers Vs Clerics the winner will be person with more experience - Spark eruption- opens up alot ot opportunities in duels.
Hope that helps

@ Mikel_oru archers at our lvl have **** crit, at higher lvls when archers get 20+ % crit with no effort itll be a bit different

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

It depends on the Cleric, i can't imagine any archer my lvl beating me. Yesterday I beat a same lvled archer without even using plume shell or spark, i only stacked two ironhearts and my hp was more than 50% at the end of the duel. That's something a regular Cleric wouldn't be able to do. I'm an LA Cleric, it's almost impossible to lose to an archer unless I get stunned. LA Clerics are a rare sight since they are considered weak. Yes they are weak but that's only if you don't have equipment that add hp. I have 1600+ hp on my lvl, while robed Clerics have 1600 hp at lvl 60+. Out of 10 duels I have lost about 3 (any class).

Unfortunately, you play in a very tame environment.

Whilst you experience is valid in terms of very limited PvP engagements. If you play on any PvP server - Lost City and perhaps even Harshlands (although its still in its infancy), you'll understand why few clerics on those servers comment about their success in beating archers.

The fact is, none of them can beat an archer (at the higher levels) without using plume shell. Even when they time their spark accordingly, clerics are still range-handicapped. Duels are rarely a representation of how the classes are played. This is evermore true when you face a Sage archer.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just want to add... its very possible to pop a cleric through plume shell.

If you have Serrated Arrow levelled enough - you can force themselves to cast purify, or in the worst case heal themselves. Best use is to tick their Guardian Charm while their plume shell gets hammered.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

Bottom line, it's all up to the player, the way you build your char the strategies you use etc. No Class is best, all are equal, each with it's own cons and pros. If you find the right suited char for you then you can make yourself big and enjoy your game.

As for strategies against a Cleric... dunno, i'm not familiar with archer builds and skills.

That is true.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let's not confuse PK with Duel, why would I care about PK in a PvE server? But even then imo Duel needs more skill than PK and I'll say it once more, in PK a phoenix can kill you in secs, a wizard might 1 hit you, BMs have absolutely no chance against casters and so on, dunno about you but I don't think PK needs skill and it's not fair from my point of view, in PK there's not as much balance as in duel. There are otehr aspects, if the victim doesn't notice you in time he/she is dead.... you can attack whenever you want and so on. In duel you get to fight a char at it's full potential (fully prepared).

Duel does need more skill..

And I am going to say this. In order to start duels, you need to be 5 meters from each other. And guess what? Archers' dmg is halved at 5 meters (except the 2 wing attack and lighting). So basically, when you duel archers they are at an handicap to start out with. And I am not sure where you are from, but i see bms own casters all the time in the wild.

Duel need more skill... my ***. Skill is when you get jumped and you end up killing them.

Dueling with a cleric is pointless. They can heal themselves, use wing shell, which we can't run away from (or if we do it's already too late b/c you can't use pots or wait for a charm tick). I can possibly see archers winning high lvl if the cleric doesn't use wing shell, or if you can fly away, wait for wing shell to run out, stun and crit take aim/deadly shot, but other than that, dueling clerics is pointless.

Ok dueling is nice and all but honestly pking is more of a challenge because you have to break the heiro and kill them using certain combos if not you wont. Its like if i duel a barb i can just fly and stun and shoot them and keep doing that till they die which will be much easier since they wont regain or if i got some distance i do aim low then i got plenty of time to kill them. Barb would mostly own me in real pk since i gotta work around the heiro but it would at least be a challange. Dueling gives u good ideas on how to kill ur opponent but nothing is as helpful as pking. PKing gives u the know how to kill in tw. Pking lets u learn how to go around heiro's. If u like duels then duel. Either way its like comparing apples and oranges their both fruit but dif just do what suits ur taste. I prefer pking as a challenge.

sillyfoo wrote: »

Ok dueling is nice and all but honestly pking is more of a challenge because you have to break the heiro and kill them using certain combos if not you wont. Its like if i duel a barb i can just fly and stun and shoot them and keep doing that till they die which will be much easier since they wont regain or if i got some distance i do aim low then i got plenty of time to kill them. Barb would mostly own me in real pk since i gotta work around the heiro but it would at least be a challange. Dueling gives u good ideas on how to kill ur opponent but nothing is as helpful as pking. PKing gives u the know how to kill in tw. Pking lets u learn how to go around heiro's. If u like duels then duel. Either way its like comparing apples and oranges their both fruit but dif just do what suits ur taste. I prefer pking as a challenge.

Yes, I agree.

Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let's not confuse PK with Duel, why would I care about PK in a PvE server? But even then imo Duel needs more skill than PK and I'll say it once more, in PK a phoenix can kill you in secs, a wizard might 1 hit you, BMs have absolutely no chance against casters and so on, dunno about you but I don't think PK needs skill and it's not fair from my point of view, in PK there's not as much balance as in duel. There are otehr aspects, if the victim doesn't notice you in time he/she is dead.... you can attack whenever you want and so on. In duel you get to fight a char at it's full potential (fully prepared).

Duel does need more skill..

No need to confuse PK with duel, because its apparent, that in a duel you believe you're the best when you are in fact not.

Please dont make wild assumptions about BladeMasters, and Wizards in real PvP. Blademasters have a great chance. It all hinders on whether they are aware. If you may not have been aware of this - or perhaps you had forgotten - blademasters can sprint to their enemies (with the exception of aerial battles which is a technique used by casters in PvP - Oh my! Strategy for you Sanctuarians!) They can interrupt a caster, and aside from an archer - cause some serious damage (an archers high evasion can protect them from physical attacks.)

Wizards - they have long cast times. Even though they have great range - a simple interrupt will totally devastate any chance they have. If the shot they do get in actually makes it past casting - its perfectly legitamite that they could potentially 1-shot you if they critical.


And lastly... Of course Pheonix's will dominate. Flesh Ream is bugged. In the few cases they dont... Well thats saying alot if you come from a PvP server.


Read:

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your pointing out how much dmg you (as a lvl 49) do? I wonder who is making who laugh here....

And i stated my reason... ARCHER DOES HALF DAMAGE AT CLOSE RANGE!!!! And KEEPING YOUR DISTANCE DOES NOT INVOLVE STARTING FIVE METERS AWAY FROM THEM!!!! Hope you don't mind... i capped the points for you, just in case you miss it.

For further clarification as to why you seem to win.



The truth is, a duel requires no real skill. This game doesn't require any skill whatsoever. If you believe at any point this game is skill based you are delusional.


This game requires awareness, something you DONT acquire when duelling. How mentally aware do you have to be when big text floats aloft on your screen telling you you're going to do battle? Not very.


Now as for strategy, a duel doesn't indicate whether or not you can PvP other classes. The closest your servers have to PvP is a TW. But, sadly that isn't even saying much as you have little practice whatsoever outside of a TW.

For a small example of what it means to be aware:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xijLKqZ4mgM&fmt=22

Torinchibi - Lost City wrote: »

Dueling with a cleric is pointless. They can heal themselves, use wing shell, which we can't run away from (or if we do it's already too late b/c you can't use pots or wait for a charm tick). I can possibly see archers winning high lvl if the cleric doesn't use wing shell, or if you can fly away, wait for wing shell to run out, stun and crit take aim/deadly shot, but other than that, dueling clerics is pointless.

As pointed out by Torin duelling is a pointless.

However, PvP in TW's, and open PK are a whole different matter. Clerics have to contend with the fact that an archer is starting out at the furthest "hittable" range - which is much to far for a cleric to cast any sleep spells - nevermind attacks.

It's time you PvE players stop misstating things based on your duels. If you truely want to be able to contribute to a class versus class debate - join a PvP server first.

Wait.... is this fool trying to argue that duels takes more <insert word here> than world PvP?

Apparently when you world pvp, you NEVER expect some1 to be fighting you, even after they kill you and you come back to kill them? Must be nice clicking a button and continuing to KS someone because they can't do **** to you. I hear you guys like that alot.

Not every class has a skill that renders their enemy's dmg obsolete for 20 seconds, or a debuff that makes everyone's spark or defense buffs useless. So I will say this again, dueling clerics is pointless. They have too many skills that are imbalanced during a duel. It's like dueling a veno when you can't stun lock or sleep them.

@Mikel_oru

good grief man its a thread about how to defeat clerics with archers. if you don't know anything about it then kindly take your zoeism somewhere else

Mikel_oru - you're the mysticlife of sanctuary.

Mysticlifex - you're an idiot.


if an archer sees you, you're dead. simple as that. unless you happen to see them charging up their skills(archers are like ninjas, unlikely.) and use plume shell, which they can out run you and wait for it to go down to 1 hit you after.

stun arrow stuns you for 3 seconds, which is enough time to charge a deadly shot and end your life before plume shell can be activated. beating an archer in open pk, for any class, is hell.

angellicdeity - pw requires skills:

b:chuckle

Mikel_oru Is not an idiot, his expressing his opnions don't like it don't read it.

According to an idiot, I'm an idiot, hmm?

If an archer sees me and stuns me I'm dead - True
If I see an archer charging up deadly shot there are many possiblities,
okay let me explain it simple deadly shot takes 3 seconds to channel
Okay in 3 seconds we can 1 - sleep 2 - plume shell

Only an idiot would start a duel/fight with a spell that takes a long charge.

Correct stunning arrow stuns for 3 seconds, Note - maxed chromatic seal sleeps upto 33 seconds.

The thing is when you duel you can say after a certain amount of fights - yes I am better than you -

In PK it's all surprise seriosuly if an archer Is in PK and they get tempested without noticing, then slept they are gonna lose

If an archer stuns and cleric they are gonna die either way you just simply cannot say one thing is better than another because "oh" you sneaked frolm behind and killed them.

Lol, no name confuzzles here.

Let me ask everyone this, If you're a cleric your not gonna go on forums posting that archers are best now would you?

I can't even say " As a cleric we can beat archers " without adding " oh archers can beat us as well" to the end of the sentance without getting heavily flamed lol.

Maybe you people above could learn a thing or two from Mikel_oru (or me) about holding a conversation.