Barbs hard to lvl?

Titanus - Lost City
Titanus - Lost City Posts: 7 Arc User
edited March 2009 in Barbarian
Are barbs like the hardest to lvl? I'm at lvl 13 and no quests already. Need 30% to lvl which will take a while.
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  • Rrraige - Lost City
    Rrraige - Lost City Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I've been told barbarian is the hardest to level solo, with the arguable exception of cleric. I managed to hold a pretty good pace for a while and was still at more than a level a day until around level 53-54.

    It slowed down a little after that, and 60-70 was a definite slowdown. But I can't say that leveling has ever seemed difficult, and the slowdown seems to be largely attributable to the rapidly-increasing length of each successive level, rather than anything inherent in the class itself.

    If barbarian is "hard" to level in comparison to other classes, I don't know. I just think that, all else being equal, all classes will tend to slow down around 55-60.

    You'll have to adjust to the quest-vs.-grind imbalance; it gets much worse. Exp-to-level requirements will continue to scale more and more out of balance in relation to exp gained from mobs and quests.
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I'm not near lvl71, however I have 2 characters to compare. A barb and a foxveno. And the veno is defenitely faster to lvl, simply because it kills a same mobb in half the time. Even if I would use pots like mad on my barb, so as not to stop while grinding, I couldn't keep up with the veno.

    However, I never had any problem with mobbs on my barb. Untill know I've been able to do all quests solo (not bosses or fb or course) if I felt like it. It's just that they take their time to die.
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Are barbs like the hardest to lvl? I'm at lvl 13 and no quests already. Need 30% to lvl which will take a while.

    That cant be right. You can level upto the mid 40s doing nothing but quests (no grinding necessary). You have probably not got all the quests you can, or perhaps you died too often during your level (unlikely given you are a barb oozing with HP b:chuckle).
    Click the find quest option and ensure no NPC's are looking for you.
    Also goto the quest tips section here on the forums and check out the quest guides and ensure you've done them all.

    Barbs are a touch harder to level, I'd say as much as a full int cleric, though for the exact opposite reasons. Clerics have good attack power, but are usually squishy. Barbs can take a real beating, but take forever to kill anything.
    In any case, everyone levels upto lvl20 rather quickly thanks to the abundant quests (two days to a week is the norm), and after that leveling slows down a bit.
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  • Titanus - Lost City
    Titanus - Lost City Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I might restart the character since it will porbbaly be quicker than getting 30%. Maybe its because i've been partying with people up to this lvl, i'll probably try again the do the quests on my own. I clicked find quest but nothing shows up. If that still doesnt giv me enough quests to lvl till lvl 37 then im just gonna go back on my cleric.
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Maybe its because i've been partying with people up to this lvl, i'll probably try again the do the quests on my own. I clicked find quest but nothing shows up. If that still doesnt giv me enough quests to lvl till lvl 37 then im just gonna go back on my cleric.

    Well, actually even though you get less exp per mob kill, you get more xp per hour in a party than if you solo.
    That of course assumes your party is around the same level as you. If however you have been partying with very high level people then theres an exp penalty that kicks in, and you wont get good exp.
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  • Titanus - Lost City
    Titanus - Lost City Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I still dont understnad im missing 30% though. Iv been partying same levels to quest quicker but the exp rewards shudnt be short at all. The onyl quest i missed out is the manufature quest and thats 50exp. Barbs are really boring at early levels i cant grind 30% since i need to heal for every 2 kills.

    For all my other chars they dont run out of quests till lvl 37 so i was kinda shocked to see i need to grind 30%
  • Tenerife - Heavens Tear
    Tenerife - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I don't understand how it's possible. I'm almost lvl 38 and my quest are about lvl 35, so my tiger is 3 levels over the quest level.

    Quests give the same exp for everyone. So no difference between race. Maybe you change your playing ways. Help some people, make Dragon Quest and do Solo-Army, etc.

    I know you are lvl 13, but at your level I was doing lvl 10 quest. Grinding 30% at your level is enough easy to do it.
  • LPsychol - Sanctuary
    LPsychol - Sanctuary Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Ahh barb is hard to lvl because of Its Inert dmg yet when u get to lvl 89 and go with Hell skills i hear now dont qoute me but they do very heavy dmg "i will get there ONE day".... heh
  • saleniece
    saleniece Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    well after level 60 you can start go to zhen parties, they love that hp buff b:pleased
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Ahh barb is hard to lvl because of Its Inert dmg yet when u get to lvl 89 and go with Hell skills i hear now dont qoute me but they do very heavy dmg "i will get there ONE day".... heh

    I think that at lvl13, the holy/hell choise isn't top priority yet b:laugh
    Actually, at lvl50 currently, I don't even think of it that much yet. The lower the damage, the longer it will take to get to lvl89. b:victory

    However, like you said: "I will get there ONE day", even if not tomorrow, and even if I'm more tempted by holy b:victory
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I've been told barbarian is the hardest to level solo, with the arguable exception of cleric.

    Most people think that Clerics are only healers. No, that's not the case, Clerics are DDs as well as healers, to be more exact Clerics have the 2nd highter dmg in the game after Wizards. There are also many Clerics that call themselves FAC (Full Attack Cleric) that spend SP for their attacking spells mainly. So no, Clerics lvl very fast since they kill mobs in 3 or 4 hits.

    The slowest to lvl are Barbs and then follow BMs.
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  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    barbs are kind of hard to lvl in the beginning but i found them easier to lvl then BMs becuase they have more health and faster regeneration the quests may seem to get more and more boring and un appealing but that will pass when you start getting a challenge from the killing missons and when the mobs agro you in groups. thats when it gets fun and challenges you. and trust me it will get alot more challenging to lvl but at least you will have fun doing it and remember when you are running low on health and money to buy pots stop killing for a bit and meditate it basically does the exact thing as the pots do but it just takes a little bit more time but at least you aren't spending 10-100k on pots just to kill mobs
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  • Tsukinoko - Lost City
    Tsukinoko - Lost City Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    im doing fine with my barb so far, but im not tank build im pvp build so may be leveling tank build is harder
  • Jubas - Lost City
    Jubas - Lost City Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    WOW in my opinion archers are d harders to lvl the reason i say this is i recently made a barb and i got him 2 lvl 51 in just 2 weeks. grindin w/ barbs is fun cuz i dont waste mux hp and just usin armor break and spark lets me kill mobs fast whix is great for grindin. besides this barbs rok cuz high hp acts as a good def for pvp, and d power they hv in str is great for killin mages,clerics,and archers, so far bms are the only ones ive had trouble w/ but i found ways to kill em since barbs do hv a fire based attk tht roks in killin mele players. So as mux as archers r good barbs are way better XD and yes a demon path barb is best pvp char in pw, it even beats d archer since barbs hv bloodbath archers r easy 2 kill wich makes a barb unstopable. and if u wanna lvl fast d best way is 2 grind on water or air mobs, more exp and barbs tend 2 kill em faster and not take mux dam since barbs hv high def and fast hp regeneration ^^ well hope my post help b:pleased b:victory
  • saleniece
    saleniece Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited February 2009

    The slowest to lvl are Barbs and then follow BMs.

    blademasters can start aoe grind at around level 45 with cleric, how killing 10 monsters at same time and speed can be slow? blademaster is in top of fastests levelers once can use aoe skills

    if barbar doesn't go vit build then lvling isn't that hard
  • Devarsi - Sanctuary
    Devarsi - Sanctuary Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    axe bms who aoe are the fastest levelers.. but its super expensive.. barbs (especially full tank) do low damage and have less aoe capability due to less aoe skills.. so they level pretty slow.. but i mean just do all your quests.. your dailies.. and cube every now and then.. and it goes by pretty quick
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    WOW in my opinion archers are d harders to lvl the reason i say this is i recently made a barb and i got him 2 lvl 51 in just 2 weeks.

    I guess that's because you're on Lost City. Believe me, a tankbuild barb doesn't lvl that fast. I have to do an average of 20 hits to kill a normal mob (buffed and using spark eruption and devour). My normal attack is about 700 damage.

    It's funny you saw a barb lvl that fast, because a guildy of mine (archer) got from lvl50 to 60 in less then 5 days :shocked No way I could do that. I guess y must also take in to account the time someone spend playing, how much money they put in etc. If you start the game with gold hp and mp charms, and let them tick non-stop you'll lvl way faster.

    Actually a barb is not HARD to lvl (I can just attack a mobb and then go to the bathroom, and at my return the mob will be gone). However, they are SLOW to lvl, simply because you take 2 to 3 times more time to kill a mobb.
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I guess that's because you're on Lost City. Believe me, a tankbuild barb doesn't lvl that fast. I have to do an average of 20 hits to kill a normal mob (buffed and using spark eruption and devour). My normal attack is about 700 damage.

    wtf? dude at my lvl i average at least 364 damage easily without any buffs and i am killing mobs 2 or 3 lvls higher then me. and the only reason why i am not at a higher lvl is because i play like what 1 maybe 2 hours out of the day. you probably need to rethink your build getter better equipment and lvl up you skills even with my skills not lvled i still do at least 450 damage my highest lvled skill is stomp of the beast king...it is lvl 4 it does 489 damage when i use it. but the way you lvl is really imporntant try doing quests that involve killing mobs so you can get experiance from the mobs like you do when you are grinding and then turn them in to get extra experience. thats what i do and it seems to be working really well so far...thats what my brother does when he plays and it works for basically all classes the only think you need to worry about is what mobs you are killing if you are a barb try to stay away from magic using mobs becuase they do more damage to you then the physical using mobs. trust me it makes it a whole lot easier then dying like 4 times in one quest trying to kill the magic ones
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  • Fleez - Heavens Tear
    Fleez - Heavens Tear Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Well i think the reason that people call us "hard to lvl" is because of our kill rate.
    i admit i do not trow out near the dmg my BM can, but i knew this i did not chose the barb because of dmg. And my BM looses hp faster than my barb does(way fasterb:surrender). AS a Barb i sit less often=little downtime cuz of hp regen, a mp pots heal my mana so fast.. so the only reason we are "hard to lvl" is because of our slow kill rate.. and that's about it.. and truth be known we are not really THAT hard to lvl .... let the lvl flaming beginb:angry
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  • Jubas - Lost City
    Jubas - Lost City Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I guess that's because you're on Lost City. Believe me, a tankbuild barb doesn't lvl that fast. I have to do an average of 20 hits to kill a normal mob (buffed and using spark eruption and devour). My normal attack is about 700 damage.

    It's funny you saw a barb lvl that fast, because a guildy of mine (archer) got from lvl50 to 60 in less then 5 days :shocked No way I could do that. I guess y must also take in to account the time someone spend playing, how much money they put in etc. If you start the game with gold hp and mp charms, and let them tick non-stop you'll lvl way faster.

    Actually a barb is not HARD to lvl (I can just attack a mobb and then go to the bathroom, and at my return the mob will be gone). However, they are SLOW to lvl, simply because you take 2 to 3 times more time to kill a mobb.

    my barbs pure vit, hes a tanker and he does lvl fast right now his lvl 55 and no i dont use cash items and yeah barbs take a while to kill something but if u learn how to properly use ur barb and learn wht attks to use as a combination u can cut down d time of killin a mob. And if u duel a lot against all d diff classes ull learn wht skills r better in pvp which also tend 2 help in grindin. In reality ur babrs are only as good as u make em and play w/ him.
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    my barbs pure vit, hes a tanker and he does lvl fast right now his lvl 55 and no i dont use cash items and yeah barbs take a while to kill something but if u learn how to properly use ur barb and learn wht attks to use as a combination u can cut down d time of killin a mob. And if u duel a lot against all d diff classes ull learn wht skills r better in pvp which also tend 2 help in grindin. In reality ur babrs are only as good as u make em and play w/ him.

    ty finally someone who understands...in the other forum they just don't get it...barbs are as good as the people playing them make them be.
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  • Ferociouss - Heavens Tear
    Ferociouss - Heavens Tear Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    I still dont understnad im missing 30% though. Iv been partying same levels to quest quicker but the exp rewards shudnt be short at all. The onyl quest i missed out is the manufature quest and thats 50exp. Barbs are really boring at early levels i cant grind 30% since i need to heal for every 2 kills.

    For all my other chars they dont run out of quests till lvl 37 so i was kinda shocked to see i need to grind 30%

    i'm confused ur a barb how do u have to heal every 2 kills where exactly are u putting ur stat points in that u have no HP and have to heal verv confused here i'm lvl 7 and i have not rested once yet ur only 13 not that big of a difference b:pleased
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    my barbs pure vit, hes a tanker and he does lvl fast right now his lvl 55 and no i dont use cash items and yeah barbs take a while to kill something but if u learn how to properly use ur barb and learn wht attks to use as a combination u can cut down d time of killin a mob. And if u duel a lot against all d diff classes ull learn wht skills r better in pvp which also tend 2 help in grindin. In reality ur babrs are only as good as u make em and play w/ him.

    You're right that killing time can be cut down by using good combination of skills. However, the term "properly" is subjective. I try to grind the cheapest way possible because I'm saving coins. So I grind in tiger, using basicly bestial rage + spark eruption and sometimes devour (when increased defence or life). When I have some time limit, the fastest way I've found is pulling 3 mobs, and then use bestial rage + surf impact + frighten + spark eruption + devour (+ fleshrealm so I can turn to the next mobb). This is way faster, but also consumes a lot of mana. I hardly ever use my humanoide form, even when damage would be way higher, simply because I only have some lvl1 skills.

    However, I have the same economical playing style on my veno, but she just rushes through mobs. I only use pet heal, and sometimes amplify damage (when increased life or defence). However, mobs are still gone in 10 sec (before pierce runs out). No matter what I do on my barb, that won't be possible.
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    wtf? dude at my lvl i average at least 364 damage easily without any buffs and i am killing mobs 2 or 3 lvls higher then me. and the only reason why i am not at a higher lvl is because i play like what 1 maybe 2 hours out of the day. you probably need to rethink your build getter better equipment and lvl up you skills even with my skills not lvled i still do at least 450 damage my highest lvled skill is stomp of the beast king...it is lvl 4 it does 489 damage when i use it. but the way you lvl is really imporntant try doing quests that involve killing mobs so you can get experiance from the mobs like you do when you are grinding and then turn them in to get extra experience. thats what i do and it seems to be working really well so far...thats what my brother does when he plays and it works for basically all classes the only think you need to worry about is what mobs you are killing if you are a barb try to stay away from magic using mobs becuase they do more damage to you then the physical using mobs. trust me it makes it a whole lot easier then dying like 4 times in one quest trying to kill the magic ones

    Not to flame you, but I think you might want to lvl a bit more befor you say something like that. You'll notice that from lvl29 to lvl40 or so, you'll have to focus on either tiger or humanoide (not enough SP), which means defence or damage. I went tiger, and focus mainly on aggro and defence. My build shouldn't be that bad, because I can easily kill mobs 8 lvl above my lvl, as long as they're not pure mag (but they are rather rare, at least till now). When they are pure physical, I'm sure I can take them even higher than that.

    Also, till now I never ran out of quests and do them all (little thanks to Ence b:laugh), and I didn't use the crazy stone all that much. Nor do I play much more than you do. My damage is low because I have lvl2 tiger form, and I didn't spend much SP on poison fang, devour or axe/hammer mastery, simply because I put my priority elsewhere. This is a personnal choise, and I don't regret it: Yes my damage is low, but I never had any trouble with any mobb, I can grind without having my hp charm tick, and using mainly bestial rage + spark eruption I save a lot on manapots. On top of that, I can fullfil my role as a tank, because damage isn't my job then. I need to keep aggro and cancel AoE skills. I got all the skills necessary for that. Devour is a great skill for soloing, but it uses much chi that would be better spend on fleshrealm when tanking. Frighten has no damage, but it reduces the surrounding mobbs attack, and gives quite some chi on top of that.

    I agree with you that stomp of the beastking, mighty swing, etc would improve my damage and with that my grinding speed. But I choose a more party orientated and low budget build, and I won't spend any SP on that before I have maxed out all my tiger skills.
  • ElMieda - Heavens Tear
    ElMieda - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    wtf? dude at my lvl i average at least 364 damage easily without any buffs and i am killing mobs 2 or 3 lvls higher then me. and the only reason why i am not at a higher lvl is because i play like what 1 maybe 2 hours out of the day. you probably need to rethink your build getter better equipment and lvl up you skills even with my skills not lvled i still do at least 450 damage my highest lvled skill is stomp of the beast king...it is lvl 4 it does 489 damage when i use it. but the way you lvl is really imporntant try doing quests that involve killing mobs so you can get experiance from the mobs like you do when you are grinding and then turn them in to get extra experience. thats what i do and it seems to be working really well so far...thats what my brother does when he plays and it works for basically all classes the only think you need to worry about is what mobs you are killing if you are a barb try to stay away from magic using mobs becuase they do more damage to you then the physical using mobs. trust me it makes it a whole lot easier then dying like 4 times in one quest trying to kill the magic ones

    Lol, your lvl 27 man. And btw, nothing's wrong with his damage.

    Please don't tell someone who is almost twice your level that they don't know what they're doing. It irks me! b:angry
  • Tawarwaith - Sanctuary
    Tawarwaith - Sanctuary Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited February 2009
    Lol, your lvl 27 man. And btw, nothing's wrong with his damage.

    Please don't tell someone who is almost twice your level that they don't know what they're doing. It irks me! b:angry

    Thanks for the support b:victory At least someone understands that full-defence build works great in PvE. b:laugh
  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lol, your lvl 27 man. And btw, nothing's wrong with his damage.

    Please don't tell someone who is almost twice your level that they don't know what they're doing. It irks me! b:angry
    Thanks for the support b:victory At least someone understands that full-defence build works great in PvE. b:laugh

    again two people think that just because i am a low lvl barb that i don't know what i am talking about i am not trying to irk you guys in any way just trying to help. why do you think it take me a while to lvl? i help others..that is my job. and i was saying that was odd compared to my char and then i guess i am doing something right with my barb or i am just weird...and another thing i hate it when multiple people just attack/flame me it gets annoying and i know it seems odd for someone my age for feeling that way but i hate double teaming even when i am not the target...sorry for even existing geez...
    and i forgot to mention i only play 2 hours a day at most...
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    saleniece wrote: »
    blademasters can start aoe grind at around level 45 with cleric, how killing 10 monsters at same time and speed can be slow? blademaster is in top of fastests levelers once can use aoe skills

    if barbar doesn't go vit build then lvling isn't that hard

    I'm aware of that but they can't aoe on their own, a Cleric has to be on their back and I don't think any Cleric zhens at lvl 45 with BMs... so basically BMs start aoeing at about the same lvl as Barbs so then you can call Barbs fast lvlers as well since they do have aoe skills.

    @Ganiju
    He doesn't do anything wrong with his Barb, he just has a different build than yours, he is a real Tank, unlike you. You're a more balanced build I guess that adds lots of STR and not so much VIT.
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  • Ganiju - Heavens Tear
    Ganiju - Heavens Tear Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited March 2009

    @Ganiju
    He doesn't do anything wrong with his Barb, he just has a different build than yours, he is a real Tank, unlike you. You're a more balanced build I guess that adds lots of STR and not so much VIT.

    actually i have 46 vit 91 str and 28 dex right now so i don't think i am that balanced and some of my stuff like my necklace that gives me +2 to str +1 mag and +32 to evasion
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  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    actually i have 46 vit 91 str and 28 dex right now so i don't think i am that balanced and some of my stuff like my necklace that gives me +2 to str +1 mag and +32 to evasion

    I don't know much about Barb builds but I think that you do have high STR compared to your VIT, I may be wrong.

    *summons a high lvl Barb to strike with "hellish build info"* :D
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