Light Armor vs. Mage Armor

Keep in mind that if you wear light armor, you gain some physical defence(not enough to survive against blademasters), and lose some magic defence and die to magic easily.
Cleric has a shield that absorbs 80% physical attacks into MP for 20seconds every 30seconds. So it's more viable to pump into HP. I have a level 90+ friend that plays con cleric, he has 8k HP with just +5 robes, it's impossible to take him down with magic, and he's practically invincible when he flips on his physical shield.

Light armor is very overrated, it gives somewhat defence towards both sides, but not enough to save you. While 5% crit gain is not enough to be noticed unless you have 3crit swords and 3crit rings to complement it.

Light armor gets owned by everyone :eek:
If you play con cleric and you're get caught off guard, you always have enough HP to tank the first few shots then flip on the shield, Sleep the attacker then run.

Faruxue pretty much summed it up. I will try to give example. Say you are a light armor build with 2000 hp, and your friend is a vitality build with 3000 hp. Your fire a physical attack at them and it does 1000 damage, they fire a physical attack at you and it does 700 points of damage. You took less damage, but it's still 1/3 of your hit points, same as theirs. Now lets say you fire a magical attack. Yours hits them for 700 damage, but theirs hit you for 1000 damage. It won't take but 2-3 magical attacks for them to kill you, but it will take you 4-5 magic attacks to kill them.

As you can see, light armor over vitality build offers no more real survivability versus physical attacks without a buff like the wizard's Stone Barrier. Light armor, however, suffers more damage from magic attack, and with a low hit point pool to go with it. As far as the numbers, I just made them up, don't flame for inaccuracy. They are meant to get the point across that vitality build is more survivable on cleric then light armor.

Yeah Im not taking hieros into account... dueling with hieros sounds stupid anyway, the fun duels are the long ones (love warrior vs warrior with diamond sutra ^^)

By this I mean, for someone to die you need to kill him within 10 seconds, thats why Im talking about the duration

I checked the skills and the earth buff gives 150% def when in holy, so now I see your point, 150% is HUGE... no wonder Ive seen screens of mages with 10k + all o_o

There are quite a few light armor priests, many of them quite pro, so I'm not knocking light armor for cleric. I'm just trying to let you know the game mechanics. The point of any game is to have fun, so if you have fun in light armor and/or think light armor looks good then by all means roll with it.

As far as the two builds you just listed, it doesn't matter. The only real decision to make in the beginning is light armor or robes, because once you click a point into dexterity it takes a restat scroll to get it off. You can always add more vitality or more magic to meet your playing style. I like the 3 vitality build myself.

Personally, I would roll full magic in the beginning to do the quests fast and level, then starting pumping a lot of vitality later. Perhaps around level 40 stop pumping magic and start pumping full vitality until it meets your build goal. You want to have your build ready to rock no later then level 60, because this is when AOE parties, pvp, and dungeons start to kick up. Until then I highly recommend leveling as fast as possible to get 60 for your transcendant cultivation and 60 holy hall weapon.

you are bad

light armor gives u LESS survivability in PvP (yes LESS, not MORE)

LESS Damage
LESS Hit points
LESS healing power

in the long run u will eventually outdamage a robe Priest because of the Critical Hit rate but u still lack the magical defense

Deadbone - Lost City wrote: »

you are bad

light armor gives u LESS survivability in PvP (yes LESS, not MORE)

LESS Damage
LESS Hit points
LESS healing power

in the long run u will eventually outdamage a robe Priest because of the Critical Hit rate but u still lack the magical defense

hows the hell would u lack the magic def , u can still wear robes , the hp loss isnt big at all be cuase u onlt get 10 hp per vit so like if u add 80 vit ull only have 800 more hp witch isnt huge at all, as for dmg ur dmg will be still good just not awsome , tbh i dun think vit matters much after like 70 cuz of the hp + gear u will get . and light armor is kida useless in pve from lvs 50-70 cuz of all the magic mobs

Guys guys guys get real, how much defference do you think a pure wiz/cleric and an LA wiz/cleric have on their dmg?

I saw people high lvls testing that with same gears (somewhere in the wizard forums) and the defference was always about 400 dmg (i can't recall lvls but I think they were 50-ish), I mean lol. That made me even more sure about my LA Cleric build. Yes we do have the hp problem but that can be sold in a variety of ways. I think that casters need the balance the light armor offers.

Also if the magic mobs are your problem with your light armor, simply switch to robes till you're done, everyone can efford that.

Ppl who love to PvP, freeze , debuff, attack, sleep, get away and repeat.
You can do that with LA, and robe build. But i hope you know that you loose around 800-1k dmg with LA build then with 7mag 2vit build. Talking about 70+ lvs when you are actually pvping.
My pathetic seals can hold a lv65 barb very long now, if i was the same lv + extra dmg, i think it makes all the difference.

For PvE, go robe, you have the gods gift of long ranged magic attacks so KITE, or for lazy ones, 1ironheart is enuff to keep you alive.

But again, asking which one is better depends from person to person and his game style. My is tank magic mobs, kite psy mobs or kill them before they even get to me.

Deadbone - Lost City wrote: »

you are bad

light armor gives u LESS survivability in PvP (yes LESS, not MORE)

LESS Damage
LESS Hit points
LESS healing power

in the long run u will eventually outdamage a robe Priest because of the Critical Hit rate but u still lack the magical defense

Sorry but I can't let this one slide... While I respect Deadbone and acknowledge that she is DANG hard to kill in TW most of her arguments do not hold water.

1. Less damage: as I remember she plays a full con cleric 6mag/3con/1str every two levels light arm build is 6mag/2str/2dex. How can they be doing less damage when their magic stats are EXACTLY the same? Also as far as damage goes the extra crits that a light armor build gets factor in so a light armor build actually does a bit more damage than a full con build

2. Less HP: Now this really is the weak point of the light armor build, no points for con so hp is low. If you are going to be a light armor cleric prepare to refine the **** out of your gear and use lots of HP gems. Being a light armor cleric is expensive that way and will never enjoy the insane HP pool that Deadbone has as a full vit cleric with HP stones.

3. Less Healing power: see point one. Same magic = same heals

4. Lack of magical defense: This is a very common misconception. Most of us just look at the numbers we see on our character screen and think that the higher the number the better. While that is true it might surprise you to know that the % damage reduce # is really the important number here. Find that by mousing over your p def/ m def numbers. For example when I went light armor (at lvl 78) I only gained about 2400 p def numberwise but I gained over 30% on my physical damage reduced percentage. I lost over 2000 m def but only 6% damage reduce magically. so remember a little # goes a long way at the bottom end and a big number at the top end does very little.

Why Deadbone will get owned in late game: If Deadbone continues with her full HP build (Robe wearing full con with HP gems) she will get owned. Why? Because as physical damage classes (BM/Barb/Archer) get their Sage/demon skills their damage will dramatically increase. (Check out the skills at ecatomb.net) For example, not counting the sage or demon specialization plume shot base damage goes from 1379.6 to 3390. The other classes all get gains like this. So while Deadbone has high HP her lack of p def will make her an easy target for sage/demon players.

How Deadbone can fix her build: Well actually her build is perfect, she has high HP which is key! If she puts p def stones into her robe instead of HP stones that little will go a long way in helping her PvP physical classes.

Sorry about the long post. Please correct me if you find any errors but the math does not lie.

Kikuzakura - Sanctuary wrote: »

I feel you have left out too many details for me to understand you.

For example, if I had 25% physical damage reduction before and 66% magical reduction...

Anyways, I think math lies when we do not include every relevant detail.

If you are a robe cleric that has 25% phys reduce with buffs but without p def stones pls SS it and post. At my lvl that may be possible but only if you are wearing a HH pdef neck and belt refined to like +6.

One note about Light Armor: You don't always have to wear it! In fact when I PvE most of the time I am in Robes with -ct! So if you are on a magic mob or magic boss you robe it otherwise you use your light set. 90% of mobs in this game will either attack you physically or magically not both so you waer what is best for that quest/situation.

I've been having second thoughts of going LA.. But, considering the fact that I will give up my VIT for Pdef, I don't get how I will have higher survivability rate, considering that the addition of Pdef will negate the loss of Vit. O_o

It's all in a matter of gameplay, really. Either give yourself a hard time crafting for two sets of armors just to satisfy your craving for being protected physically, or just tweak your strategies using your support skills in the process.

Whatever floats your boat. b:victory

Kathar - Lost City wrote: »

If you are a robe cleric that has 25% phys reduce with buffs but without p def stones pls SS it and post. At my lvl that may be possible but only if you are wearing a HH pdef neck and belt refined to like +6.

I'm lvl 80 wiz, and without stone barrier on I have a dmg reduction of 26%. Average gear. 41% with stone barrier. I don't see how you think a robe cleric can't hit 25%. Since clerics are always selfbuffed that should be an easy number to reach.

yep agree with you there P def stones make a big difference