Concerning Rare Pets

this is getting silly - this is a game - we are 'warriors' fighting against the 'wraiths'. there is an 'ingame' economy to keep up. we dont have ministers or higher powers do we? so they dont keep the economy alive! look at the snowhare pet - how rare is it now?? if some nasty little non 'carebear' came and killed it every now and then how rare would it be now?

i can see why ur on pve server - u might think killing other players is wrong and unethical
(yes im on it too - but thats cos we cant all afford cash shop)

people do take this game seriously - i am one of them - it can affect my RL sometimes, but i know where the game ends and life starts. I dont think i would kill someone for a damn promotion - yer times are hard but come on, i dont think any1 is slightly for the point u were making there

if that were true then IRL i would zap u with my plume shot and tempest u till u cry, but hey im not really a cleric (ssshhhh some ppl might really believe it!)

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

So by your logic, real living creatures can be compared to data (mobs).
So living cells are comparable to 1000100100001000000001111001010 ?
Totally, I your logic.

Do you realize how.... **** that is ??

Let's see, in real life (not online) there are CLEAR UNAVOIDABLE RULES AGAINST MURDER (of real life creatures, not data).
On the ONLINE, NON-REAL videogame PW there is NO RULE agaisnt killing any MOB (not a real living creature) just because someone wants to tame it.

They are TOTALLY comparable.

Yes I know exactly what you mean, but there are some people that for some reason get the 2 mixed up. Its actually happened. Thats where your logic of "its just a mob" fails

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

Let's see, in real life (not online) there are CLEAR UNAVOIDABLE RULES AGAINST MURDER (of real life creatures, not data).
On the ONLINE, NON-REAL videogame PW there is NO RULE agaisnt killing any MOB (not a real living creature) just because someone wants to tame it.

They are TOTALLY comparable.

Well, in some ways they are.
In real life, there's no such thing as a rule you have to follow, as long as you don't mind the consequences. The consequences in real life just happen to be more severe than in a video game.

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The fact that the only reason you don't do this in real life is because of the rules just shows what kind of a person you really are. You don't care how much you hurt others.

I was simply pointing out differences, never said those r the ones important to me.
But you've already proven how great your logic is here and in all pvp topics right ?

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Take a look at what I found.

In December 2007, a Russian man was beaten to death over an argument in the MMORPG (name removed per forums rules). The man was killed when his guild and a rival guild challenged each other to a brawl in the real world

In October 2004, a 41-year-old Chinese man named Qiu Chengwei stabbed 26-year-old Zhu Caoyuan to death over a dispute regarding the sale of a virtual weapon the two had jointly won in the game (name removed per forum rules).

"Just a mob" to you "just a person" to them.

When it comes down to it, all you are doing is trying to make everyone agree with your griefing. That;s all it is, griefing. You intentionally kill the pet just to **** people off. You can try to rationalize it all you want but that's what it is. It doesn't effect me, I've never even tried to get a rare pet and I don't care about doing so. See how much fun you have if people decided to camp YOU in the game until you lose all your angels and drop everything you have.

So there's crazy people who consider people as mobs in their wicked minds or kill others because of a online item, SO ? what does that prove ? there's crazy people that will kill you in the shower, OMG ARE ALL SHOWERS DANGEROUS NOW ?
No by normal logic they r not, those ppl are dangerous.
OMG THERE'S CRAZY PPL IN MMORPGS, DO WE "NORMAL PEOPLE" THAT WONT STAB YOU IRL FOR AN ONLINE TEM COMPARE 1000011111100101010101010 to REAL LIVING CELLS ?
No by normal logic, yes by zoe logic.
Intentionally kill the pet uh what if I want the mold or drops uh ? can you PROVE that I dont want the mold ? can you somehow get in my brain and look for the intentions ?
If people decided to camp me I would simply leave, if you're stupid enough to go to the same spot camped by players that will kill all day you then it's your fault.

Got any other awesome zoe logic ?
Remember kids, 100011110 = a person.

aerifyre wrote: »

My objective in creating this thread was such that the developers would create a rule against killing the rare pets.

Until something like that happens, or even if it did, it would still be nice to have consequences for high level players killing a rare spawn mob out of spite.

What if I want the drops from this pet ?
Note: Snow Hare is considered a MOB, it's a bunch of 100010001010101010 like ANY OTHER MONSTER IN THE DAMN GAME.
There is absolutely NO special treatment from GMs or any other players towards these mobs, unless you want to tame it or buy t.
Therefore, it DOESNT deserve any special treatment from any other player.
Noone will ever get banned in game for killing a MOB.

i shall ignore the rest of the post because im bigger than that - and i think you should thank your lucky stars i wont take anything to heart

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

By YOUR logic, I could get some friends, we could all camp every town 24/7 just to kill you, claim we are only killing you for your drops, and there would be no problems if you became unable to move without being killed on the spot.

^^^^^^^^^^
WELCOME TO PERFECT WORLD

Im a level 51, blademaster and I love to watch the venos tame the cub! I was lucky enough to come across it on my veno once (didnt tame lol) and it was ALOT of fun trying. Honestly I know there are some, well nasty players that will kill the rare pet to make it rarer, but I think PW should put a system in that makes it only Venomancers can attack it. Give it like 10000 dammage vs all other classes I dont know I dont design games. I really think the Cub is cute, I want a baby on my blademaster (once i get all the cash i need) cause they are cute. I support your argument fully!!

[X]SIGNED!!!

lunaveil wrote: »

The act of killing a rare mob just for the hell of it so other people have no chance at it thus increasing your monopoly on them IS an exploitation and blatent violation of the ToS because its virtually extorting the player into having to BUY the pet if they want it from a monopoly controlled by elitist bullies who have no concern for the players under them. They believe in essence theyve beenplaying the game long enough, or have such a godly character they can treat the other normal players as cannon fodder or if they have no feelings at all.

Go fill your e-penors else where. Nobodies are people too and have every right in the world to have a chance at a pet. With some jack *woot* killing the mob just to make sure no one else gets it, is total BS. Go bully elsewhere b:angry

nobody said it was bullying - to be honest i think killing the pet is a way to ensure you have it next time at a lower lvl - because then you know the spawn time. Higher lvls do have the advantage - of course - this is the game we play in, u play on PVP then high lvls have advantage cos they 1 shot u - u play on PVE high lvls have advantage because they can make more money - END OF STORY

these rare pets are just normal monsters if i feel like killing it i will - and to be honest - the more all venos moan and whine that ppl kill it the more people probably will - such is life - and guess what - i might just be one of them waiting there, as i might just need that 0.0001% to level

bobzilla21 wrote: »

I totally agree with this statement.
If the game developers want to stop people from killing rare pets, they will. Otherwise, they'll leave it the way it is.

END OF DICUSSION!

this was my point too - although i wanted to show you all why it probably wont happen

I see i started some sort of movement.

My CONTINUAL Killing of a rare spawn MOB has been brought to my attention... by a GM. Today, After Killing the rare spawn, I was IMMEDIATELY teleported to Misfortune... confused, i returned back to the scene of where the bear was reportedly killed by me... to get another immediate teleportation back to the same exact spot. later a GM had messaged me.

I was told to please, not grief to other players. (sorry, i fail at spell check)

Normally killing a rare spawn is not against any game rules of any sort.

I am currently a level 70 Barbarian on the Heaven's Tear server. My guild does not have any involvence in the bear cub issue that is at hand! What they do, is of their own free will, and not constructed or instructed by me in any manner! The guild does not put a hault on their member's private actions, with the guild having one direction in mind... they have more issues to focus on than their players private affairs.

Killing a Mob stricly out of spite in the game, is not against any rules, but Greiving other players IS against the rule.

My Confusion on that issue is as follows:
Player A: (Goes to attack a "White Eyed Wolfkin")
Player B: (Goes to attack the same "White Eyed Wolfkin" [WEW])

Player A: hey i wanted to kill that for my quest!!! >:O
Player B: I wanted to kill that for my Experience!!!
Player C (out of nowhere): I like that animal, please let me tame the "WEW"!!!

Player A: Ill wait for the next one to spawn then!!!
Player B: I want to kill the next spawn tho!
Player C: No Fair, you can kill faster than I can tame it! i want to capture the next spawn!!!!

Player C: I HATE YOU BOTH! WHY DID YOU KILL IT PLAYER A?!?!?!?
Player A: Im killing it for my own personal reasons! do you mind? i want the drops! Give me money to buy drops, and I will be happy to leave
Player B: No reason to hate anyone Player C! Just because it's a "WEW" that u can capture, doesnt reserve it strictly for your use to capture!!!

Player C: Are you Dumb? I wanted to capture one for myself, one for a friend, one for my hubby, Ten to make as an all class pet, and maybe 10-15 more to sell to others because skills and weapons and channeling gear are all expensive!!! I do not have money to give to you!
Player B:You need that many? But this WEW doesnt spawn as fast as other mobs, and i wanted to see what items it dropped! It can be killed!!! If it was stricly ment for your intent of being used as a "VENO-ONLY Capture" type, wouldnt the game designers give it some sort of Damage Immunity?!
Player A:Look, I'm going to kill this reguardless of your intent or purpose off of this! Why must you be so greedy with wanting all of them to yourself? there's 20 other people that have the same exact intent as you! Why should I give up my chance of killing this just so you can have your way to increase your profits/revenue/relations with others?

Player C: NO FAIR! IM TELLING A GM!!! I HOPE THEY BAN YOU!!!


Who is Spiteful???


Sorry everyone... i couldnt put into words what i had created as a scenario up above...


As it is said, if I continue to kill the rare spawn... I am "considered" to be in violation of the Terms of Service. Section 11. "Grevieng other players"

I hereby do not believe i am intentionally Greiving other players, when I stated that they could have multiple ways to entice me to leave... Coin, PK Me (sometimes), Build an internal structual system that gives fair game to various level veno's that helps demote the idea of a greed based system. (few listened... even fewer cared)

I was told that I am an immature player, and that i need to clean up my potty mouth! :P(not by a GM)

My potty mouth will cease!! I did read the World Chat from AV_Idol stating some rude misconceptions about me, later receiving multiple "hate wispers" from various players that had the urge to rub into my face a "GM has recieved your Ticket".

I am pleased with the GM's response to the action. I am under the assumption that the player has been Banned(temp) for such a disrespectful comment twords me.

I am also amazed on how much response i am getting for Fighting a lower level mob from other peers. I am pleased that my words have reached others to suggest that there should be a better system developed to entice a variety of level of players to achieve the same possible goal. ( a system that lets lower level venos have the same chance to capture the pet as a high level veno, instead of being bullied around like a simpleton)

Since I do fear a possible ban for what I am doing, I will put an immediate Hault to my actions of killing the bear!!! I am only one person doing such an act, and for any other's to follow such an idea, could clearly come to the same solution and continue such an idea until they are given such a warning of a similar nature by an authority figure in the game (be it a GM/Guild Leader/Peer)

Killing a rare spawn is NOT ILLEGAL... Killing in spite or to antagonize another player could be considered a greiving issue... but would constitute much more thought and discussion on the issue to deem an apropriate course of action.

So in essence, if you kill a rare spawn, people will hate you, Kill steal someone... they hate you.... tell someone that they should go and self plesure themselves.... they hate you.

all of the above fall under the greiving issue at hand as a "possible" violation of ToS (Terms of Service) For lack of a better discription of the issue, i am at a hard fault to consider what actions i should take to ensure i do not fail to meet the ToS, but also to not prevent myself from enjoying such a game that i have spent real, hard-earned money... for increasing my gaming experience.

If by chance this issue could have a better clarification, id be more willing to follow the rules, but i cannot assure anyone that EVERYONE will follow the rules.

I hope you enjoy your game, feel free to whisper me any comment on the matter in-game. i rarely read the forums, yet they have peaked my interests.

Mikeya -Heaven's Tear.

Oishasan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since this is in a suggestion forum, I'll repeat something I said in another similar thread...

A reasonable solution, would be to keep the pets on the 12 hour timer...
but allow them to spawn randomly anywhere in the world in that level range (i.e. level 20 areas, level 40. etc..)

This way, the pet keeps it's 'ultra' rare value, because..
you can't camp it,
new players may in fact actually kill it for xp, oh well, it's a rare, they are excited too, lol.

It would create an excitement and 'rush' if somone sees one and yells on WC about it.

Sounds alot easier, more reasonable, most importantly, the most FAIR alternative to what is going on now. Not that I think what is going on now is wrong, but I definitely feel this alternative would be more entertaining (and add I would actually feel that people asking $ for the pet would actually deserve it).

The bad thing about that, is that venos put this stupid price on rare pets when you can camp for it and it's easier. Now imagine if it's harder! They're just going to keep raising the prices more and more. Stupid rare pet sellers.... b:angry Yes, I know I am a veno, but i have not sold ONE rare pet and never will, therefore I am not a seller and a stupid veno who just wants profit. b:bye