Pure Dex vs. "Purer" Dex

You need the armor. Even if you kill faster than pure dex archers, youll eventually miss,be unable to kill before theyl one shot you. Or monsters can suddenly spawn next to you and double on you. It'll be too stressful to play like that.

nice thought - if you do it, let us know how it pans out.

If it dosen't work so well, then you can always fix it within a few levels

i been wondering how i could take advantage of reputation armors ( they have NO requirements, other than the rep to buy them ) ))

when i get high enough for hh90 weapon i wanna +8 and put g8 stones in it, then change my build to just enough str for weapon even if i cant wear armor, see the dmg difference. Who knows. I wont keep it that way deffinetly, but just to see.

Works at lower lvls, but when you are 90 and you need 95 or something to wear your 90 hh set, it will suck balls.

Put as much str as you feel like at your current level, but know that you'll have less and less use for str as you get higher leveled. :P

Basically at your level, you're leaving the "I need a fist weapon for when melee monsters reach me" stage and entering the "melee monster? frost arrow + stun arrow + knockback arrow + aim low + wingspan = ...wait, it's dead now? okay." stage. XD

when a knockback arrow misses.

...thanks for reminding me of the fact that this happens ALL the bloody time for me. Well done, you've given me nightmares now. XD Hope you're proud of yourself.

You'll want to ditch the Rank armor in a few levels, though... get a squad for Chin the Mausoleum Watchman, that quest gives you a nice light armor plate (with Dex on it... at least mine had Dex).

At level 80 or 90, would it possible, since you will have that set of armor for a while, to try to get every piece of your armor with -10% requirement, enabling you to only stat min STR for your weapon? I haven't bothered doing the ut math, but in the odd chance you were able to get this armor, how low could you take the STR requirement?

Either way, it would require you to refine your armor, to make up for the physical defense difference....LOL what am i talking about, we already don't have any physical defense.

interesting, but honestly, pure build does enough damage. I personally leveled up past 50 with about 1 VIT per level, just to have a bit of an easier time with magic mobs, but then restated back to pure dex, which is still, almost too much damage.

Good luck with your purer dex build.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Put as much str as you feel like at your current level, but know that you'll have less and less use for str as you get higher leveled. :P

Basically at your level, you're leaving the "I need a fist weapon for when melee monsters reach me" stage and entering the "melee monster? frost arrow + stun arrow + knockback arrow + aim low + wingspan = ...wait, it's dead now? okay." stage. XD

wait.. what is stun arrow im lvl 36 and i dont have it i need to get my cult quest i still didn t do fb 29 yet i have 250 rep where do i go what do i do where do i get cult quest and when do i get fb quest man i dont now what to to b:cryb:cryb:sadb:surrender

usually cleric is prime target then archers and wizards and venos

Ppjenga - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh... I see. Well to bring it back to topic... considering the attention that archers get in PVP, would a pure dex vs. purer dex build even matter if archers are second on the hit list? I mean, if you're getting 'ganked' either way... what's to keep you from doing the most damage you can before you die? (keep in mind I know next to nothing about PKing on this particular mmo)

Doing high dmg is great and all. But there is just one small problem. You have to stay alive long enough to do the dmg.

The core ideas with this build was something i briefly experimented with when i had the level 30 rank gear... effectively putting my strength on hold once wearing it, to level purely dex for several levels, but its not something i would recommend later in the game.

Later on, not only will the areas of play you involve yourself in diversify, you will find it harder to avoid taking damage and you will be punished more harshly for deaths... at some stages of the game, finding yourself grinding for over an hour to recover that lost xp.


Wearing armor of a significantly lower level than your own prevents you from:

Pvp'ing effectively: forget it, you will not be able to pvp effectively, your added attack strength will not offer anywhere near as much as your greatly reduced defensive strength will take away. You will lose basically every fair fight that presents itself.

Tanking effectively: sounds silly for an archer discussion, but yes, later on you may well want to tank lower level FBs, or help out with bosses for your friends... obviously low level armor is not good for this.

Staying upright in some boss encounters as DD: From your 30s you'll begin to see bosses that AOE... this is not something that stops... it becomes more frequent as the game goes on, and those AOEs hit harder.

Grinding and Questing Safely/Efficiently: later on in the game, more and more of the mobs become magic and ranged, hitting you before you are able to take them down, using lower level armor you will be more likely to find yourself taking unreasonably high amounts of damage (to be recovered by potions or charms, both costing $$) or being killed when things go wrong (lag? misses? mob crits? aggro spawns? etc etc).


If it works, or is working for you now... cool... but it definately would not be my own recommendation for any 55+ archer. If you actually sit down and crunch some numbers, I doubt you'll find these builds offer considerably more damage than a 4-1 pure anyway.


P.S. there is no Lv40 rank gear (with the exception of the badge ring)... sorry to disappoint.

I decided to punch some numbers myself... and heres what i got:
Firstly, ranged weapons require at least half a str point allocated per level, so assume a 1str, 9dex per 2 levels build. An archer built in this way... will be able to use light armor only HALF of its level, and will do only ~10% more damage than a 'pure' 4-1 build (assuming the same damage bonuses from equipment, which is a stretch, as higher level armor offer more stat points).

To use higher level armor, you will be reducing your 10% margin even furthur. With a 9-1 build, your crit at level 81 will be only 2% higher than a 4-1.

NOTE: 10% calculation ignores dex added by equipment, which actually brings the two builds even closer together.

Djkinetic - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sadly for me whenever im in squad im the first one targeted even b4 the cleric in my group....HT Pvpers dont like me =P I hurt heheeheeb:chuckle

LOL same mostly i get focus-fire like craz from the other group. People will always target u probably second after ep so having bad defenses is a plain stupid idea,

Annor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Tanking effectively: sounds silly for an archer discussion, but yes, later on you may well want to tank lower level FBs, or help out with bosses for your friends... obviously low level armor is not good for this.
P.S. there is no Lv40 rank gear (with the exception of the badge ring)... sorry to disappoint.

if you think archers are only glass cannons..then thats just your char.
i can tank mantavip and every other quest boss outside a dungeon instance(except krimson) with a couple healers, me being an archer and all.

i dont favour the idea of going stingy on allocating str points just to buff up the damage/crits. as for one you cant use the level specific molds/TT armour equips, that leaves you very underbalanced higher up at lvl 8x+.
and having abnormally high dex means your bound to pull aggro from tank with all those crazy crits and die, get hit by AOE and die, get 1-hit Knockouts from sacrificial assault mobs at your level and downright die if you get jumped by more than 1 mob, even while hp charmed.
and it would just be worse during PK or DT(1-hit KO from tempest, sparked-zerk and a few spells which wouldnt usually 1-Hit KO an archer at lvl 8x+ with lvl required equips)

to thanduril:
If you are arguing against me with that post, you must be a poor reader.

And Delia, I did not realize rank equipment was without a STR requirement, still not at all practical for PVP, but intriguing for PVE .
I don't believe armor would affect my 10% estimation, armor should be a flat percentage reduction, thus proportions and relations should be unchanged.
I.E.
11 is 10% higher than 10
apply 50% reduction:
5.5 is 10% higher than 5